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As long as Chicago doesn't make the playoffs Marner will be great.Play with Bedard for the next 10 years
As long as Chicago doesn't make the playoffs Marner will be great.Play with Bedard for the next 10 years
It’s a positional value thing for me.
Big 22 year old top pairing D (probably a 2D) at a great cap hit.
The crazy thing is most feel like Vlasic hasn’t even reached his ceiling yet. There’s a lot of growth in his game still.
I just don’t see Chicago as a fit.
It would be a 3-team trade. Something like Marner to Utah, Jones to Toronto, and something back to Chicago from Utah.If it's Chicago it's got to include Seth Jones, which I won't lie a top 3 of Rielly, Jones and McCabe is a solid top 3.
I just don't know how you convince Marner to go to Chicago, yes They have Bedard, and that will attract players but it's going to be a LONG LONG time before they are competitive
It would be a 3-team trade. Something like Marner to Utah, Jones to Toronto, and something back to Chicago from Utah.
That dallas trade is like getting back Connor Mcdavid while the other trades are like getting Barkov backMy guess:
Vegas Theodore +
Dallas Hintz + Harley
Nashville Saros + Luke Schenn
Hawks: Vlasic + Tor 2025 first back
Dallas isn’t paying that much for Marner.My guess:
Vegas Theodore +
Dallas Hintz + Harley
Nashville Saros + Luke Schenn
Hawks: Vlasic + Tor 2025 first back
And Toronto is only paying his bonus for ONE MORE SEASON, the upcoming season. Which is why a Marner deal makes sense after July 1st and not anytime before that. What part of that are you not understanding? When it comes to contracts you look at real money and cap hit. They are two separate things but both have importance in making a deal work. Stop replying and go look on cap friendly. No one is saying Toronto is going to pay the bonuses for a team past this July 1st.
From a team standpoint, I don't think it serves Dallas well to flip Harley for Marner.
Harley is emerging as a top pairing defenseman playing heavy, meaningful minutes in a good playoff run as a 22 year old. In the long run keeping Harley and the extra cap space his contract would provide over Marner's seems like the better play. I don't think they need an 11 million dollar winger.
In a vacuum, sure.
Utah will probably overpay him and he'd be the face of the organization with a ton of talent coming. If Toronto doesn't want to resign him, what contending team is going to give him a 12 * 7 or some max contract? If he wants that contract, it's most likely going to come from a nonplayoff team. So he'll need to look at teams that could be playoff contenders in a couple years. I agree Anaheim would be a good choice and I've thought about them but does Marner seem like a Verbeek player? I've thought about a Marner trade for Zegras and Fowler.I don't know how you convince Marner to go to Utah either, if he's going to go to a bad team the Ducks would probably be an attractive option because they have A LOT of young talent and he'd be in California
I don't even think they'd offer that. They're loaded at forward with limited cap space, they need to use assets on another legit d man. Upsetting their cap structure for Marner of all players would be monumentally stupidI see a Dallas offer being Bourque+Bichsel for Marner and a random prospect or pick.
Dallas has such a solid roster right now that I doubt they would be looking to upset the apple cart too much. Certainly not giving up a quality player like Harley for potentially one year of Marner, no way.
I see a Dallas offer being Bourque+Bichsel for Marner and a random prospect or pick.
Dallas has such a solid roster right now that I doubt they would be looking to upset the apple cart too much. Certainly not giving up a quality player like Harley for potentially one year of Marner, no way.
Schenn is very goodSchenn really isn't that good, if that gets it done we'd consider ourselves lucky we didn't have to part with any of our youth.
I think the consensus on the press board is we'd be cool with parting with Saros + some combination of Tomasino/Fabbro/1st etc.
None of these are realistic.My guess:
Vegas Theodore +
Dallas Hintz + Harley
Nashville Saros + Luke Schenn
Hawks: Vlasic + Tor 2025 first back
None of these are realistic.
The dallas one is by far the most silly.
Hintz is a monster and harley is a true #1 Young D man in a year.
It's called getting value for a guy who's gunna leave as a UFA and has a NTC.Why do the Leafs make that trade? They are trying to compete for a cup and are trading a prime aged 100 point Selke winger for prospects?
Chicago (a team in a total rebuild) doesn’t offer a top pairing Dman on an ELC for a guy who in a year will destroy their salary structure.Chicago's offer is a laugh. Leafs pass.
But that means you have to be paying less for Marner (to Toronto) than you are getting in any TDL deal. Plus get paid for the retention that moving him at the deadline would require.Only one year left on the contract. Handshake deal that Marner is traded to a contender if the Hawks are out of it by the TDL. I doubt they can sign him to an extension though.
It's called getting value for a guy who's gunna leave as a UFA and has a NTC.
The packages you've proposed would be an overpayment for Marner 5 years ago, but now with 1 year until UFA they're absolutely ridiculous. How many players have been traded for that kinda value coming out of a situation where the team has so little leverage?
PLAYOFFS!A top 5 winger in the league isn’t worth your teams second best d-man?