Ovechkin vs Laine comparison.

[Tavares to Marner]

Finish #2 in the race for the rocket?

Ovechkin was usually #1 in his time though

 

[DDRhockey]

And to add. Last season Eeli Tolvanen broke 18 years old players goal and score record which was Kuznetsovs earlier. This was off-topic information for sure.

he never did. His pace fell off second half.

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Laine is the third best forward on his own team.

Not comparable

I don't get why some are offended by the idea of Laine not being up to Ovis rookie season

Laine himself is great and is gonna be even better, I'm really excited for this season and I'm getting he puts up at least 45

 

[DDRhockey]

Ovechkins rookie season was much higher in overall scoring.

 

[heretik27]

No it wouldn't, you do understand how league averages work right? That 7mins was applied to everyone in 05-06 and Ovechkin still finished 3rd in league scoring, just like Laine has the same league average PP time as McDavid this year. I can't believe I just had to explain that or that you tried to imply Ovechkin was averaging 7 more PP mins than his peers of the same year.

Again I didn't use a point comparison I used league placement, which is much more comparable. Ovechkin was consistently a top-5 overall producer in the legaue, Ovechkin finished top-3 in POINTS 4 times in his first 5 seasons.

To further simplify for you, that is like Laine finishing where Kucherov did this year but as a rookie.

No two players are the same. PP time benefits everyone differently man. I shouldn't have to explain that when weapon's like Ovy, Kovy, or Laine set up on the PP you're probably going to have a bad time. The only others that heavily benefit similarly are the players in the mold of Thornton or Crosby who find themselves with extra room to make the passes that they became known for. Some guys are just far better at even strength production and don't see the same success that others do on the PP. Laine is a PP monster, the extra minutes even if his peers get the same minutes are going to matter more to Laine than them.

 

[tapi]

Completely different player types. Laine thrives when there is a lot of space due to his mediocre speed but awesome shot. Indeed, in those scenarios he is better than Ovechkin. However, when the space it tight ie. in the playoffs, he is quite easily shut down and cannot produce (especially goal-scoring wise).

So Laine is the better regular seasoner but he will probably never reach the level of Ovi in the post-season due to his physical limitations which I don't see him overcoming.

 

[HTFN]

Completely different player types. Laine thrives when there is a lot of space due to his mediocre speed but awesome shot. Indeed, in those scenarios he is better than Ovechkin. However, when the space it tight ie. in the playoffs, he is quite easily shut down and cannot produce (especially goal-scoring wise).

So Laine is the better regular seasoner but he will probably never reach the level of Ovi in the post-season due to his physical limitations which I don't see him overcoming.

Where on earth is this coming from? This whole thread is absolutely insane.

 

[tapi]

Where on earth is this coming from? This whole thread is absolutely insane.

I should have specified he will probably be the better of the two career-wise (regular season), I would not be surprised to see him even score more goals than Ovi if Laine does not regress too soon, which is a real risk for a big but slowish guy like him.

The regular season game just fits him, there is a lot space and time for him to get to position and get off a shot from a good goal scoring zone. If he gets time with a real #1 center he can do real damage. The play-offs are a whole different story, though

 

[22FUTON9]

some serious points to consider:

- Laine was number 2 in goal scoring in the nhl last season.

- Laine has most goals since entering the nhl. Played as 18 and 19.

- Laine was the most effective guy in the nhl playing only 16,5 minutes per game or less. Still scored 44 goals!!!!

- When ovechkin came he played well over 20 to 22 minutes.

- Ovechkin had zero defence to his game then. Cheated a lot on playes and played whole powerplayes.

- Considering those facts Laine looks to be more talented scorer.

- If laine score 52 this season I'd say it's more impressive in 2019 than in 2006. Scoring is harder.

Maybe Laine was just playing less because he wasn't trusted enough by his coach and not because the universe is unfair to Laine.
Ovechkin was a ted lindsay award finalist in his first season in NA, whereas Laine hasn't even broken 80 points yet.
I'm not sure how you ended up with the conclusion that Laine's the more talented scorer

 

[Its a Trap]

some serious points to consider:

- Laine was number 2 in goal scoring in the nhl last season.

- Laine has most goals since entering the nhl. Played as 18 and 19.

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Behind Ovechkin.

Sure he does...after Ovechkin...

 

[Alf the dwarf]

he never did. His pace fell off second half.

Yes he did. Google it, Im too lazy to get you link.

35 points in 48 games, the most points by any player under the age of 20 in KHL history and the most goals by any player under the age of 19.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

There's always a couple of seriously deluded fans who make other fan bases dislike a certain player. Laine is a great player and I think he will be the best goal scorer of the next generation (not as dominant as OV but still clear). But these "comparisons" are ridiculous. OV was, is and always will be in a different stratosphere than Laine. That's not a knock on Laine, Ovechkin is the GOAT goal scorer and will end up a top 10 player ever.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

If you’re really having a hard time figuring this one out, just try to imagine an NHL Head Coach playing Alexander Ovechkin with Ehlers and Stastny on the 2nd line instead of the first line. You can’t, because any line that (prime) Alexander Ovechkin is on is automatically the first line. That is the caliber of player that Ovechkin was and the caliber of player that Patrik Laine never will be. Ovechkin has an overall impact on the ice that Patrik Laine simply never will.

 

[Hokinaittii]

he never did. His pace fell off second half.

How is Tolvanen's 36 points in 49 games not better than Kuznetsov's 32 points in 44 games?

 

[Alf the dwarf]

If you’re really having a hard time figuring this one out, just try to imagine an NHL Head Coach playing Alexander Ovechkin with Ehlers and Stastny on the 2nd line instead of the first line. You can’t, because any line that (prime) Alexander Ovechkin is on is automatically the first line. That is the caliber of player that Ovechkin was and the caliber of player that Patrik Laine never will be. Ovechkin has an overall impact on the ice that Patrik Laine simply never will.

I know for sure that Laine will easily end up with more goals than Ovechkin when both are retired. And I also know the exact number by how many.. Let me tell you... By 256 goals!!!

This is a fact and can't be changed. He also for sure surpasses Ovechkin in all time player rankings as most dangerous goal scorer of modern era. Laine might also represent space era then! Fact also.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I know for sure that Laine will easily end up with more goals than Ovechkin when both are retired. And I also know the exact number by how many.. Let me tell you... By 256 goals!!!

Wow, so you think that Laine will almost certainly eclipse Gretzky’s goal scoring numbers? Good to know

 

[Alf the dwarf]

Wow, so you think that Laine will almost certainly eclipse Gretzky’s goal scoring numbers? Good to know

Definately, Easily. But gretzky was so good player that he played open nets for linemates. If not almost played to puck to goal line for teammate to slap it in. Could have easily scored much more if he was more selfish.

 

[Carlzner]

Laine will "easily" eclipse Gretzky's goal scoring numbers.

Incredible.

 

[Herregud]

I know for sure that Laine will easily end up with more goals than Ovechkin when both are retired. And I also know the exact number by how many.. Let me tell you... By 256 goals!!!

This is a fact and can't be changed. He also for sure surpasses Ovechkin in all time player rankings as most dangerous goal scorer of modern era. Laine might also represent space era then! Fact also.

I think your personal definition for what constitutes a fact needs to be updated.

Or my personal recognition of what passes for an effective troll needs to.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Laine might also represent space era then! Fact also.

Sounds like Trump has a new recruit for his Space Force!

 

[HTFN]

I think your personal definition for what constitutes a fact needs to be updated.

Or my personal recognition of what passes for an effective troll needs to.

No, it's probably the same as it ever was, it's just that what's happening here doesn't even have the finesse required to be called trolling.

When someone makes the effort it's like arguing politics with adult family, frustrating but seemingly worth it because they aren't bad, and if you could just get a few points through....

This is more like arguing with your child about a bedtime. One side is pretty unarguably right, the other side will probably come around with time and perspective, but right now it's just exhausting.

 

[PittsburghPens8771]

Finish #2 in the race for the rocket?

So he scores 44 goals and he’s the next Ovechkin?

Come on man

 

[Dustin]

Well they both play hockey so they got that going for them as a comparison....

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I watched Ovechkin couple of years prior to NHL, in some RSL games and some EHT tournaments and WJC, WHC. I know exactly who he is and was.

Laine is a different type of player. Much more like Mario than Ovechkin.

In terms of style, perhaps......in terms of talent/impact he's not in either's ballpark

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Definately, Easily. But gretzky was so good player that he played open nets for linemates. If not almost played to puck to goal line for teammate to slap it in. Could have easily scored much more if he was more selfish.

He was selfish and holds the all time record for empty net goals.