Ovechkin vs Laine comparison.

[oXo Cube]

Yes and at comparable age, McDavid had 30 to Laines 44. We can compare McDavids 41 this season against Laines next season. I expect the gap to stay. When Laine starts getting proper usage (like McDavid from day one) that gap will likely grow. But it won't surprise me if McD scores over 50 goals some seasons. It also won't surprise me if Laine scores 70.

If Laine maintains his shooting%(already the second highest in the entire NHL among players with >200 shots) he will have to take almost 150 more shots on goal to score 70 goals. That would make him the largest volume shooter in the entire league and by a not insignificant margin.

It's just not going to happen man.

 

[North Cole]

It's your opinion that Laine and Lemieux ain't similiar. And by saying similiar playstyles it doesn't mean he is going to put up same numbers than Lemieux, just that hes playing style reminds of him.

I'm not saying he is going to put up the same numbers...I'm saying that stylistically there is nothing that says they are similar. The only thing they have in common is the fact that they can score goals, and they are taller when they put on skates. I don't see anything else that points to them being similar...

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Nice graph but what it doesn't show you is that McDavid is a year older. Now show me the graph where McDavid was 19, because that is the only way to make a true comparison. Am I doing this correctly?

EDIT - LOL I didn't refresh the page, and he actually said that. THEY ARE A YEAR APART. HELLO? GUYS HELLO? This is the song I imagine I'm listening to, when people make these arguments about being unable to compare players who are literally a year apart.

Round and round we go, it's like a circus

 

[Canada Drai]

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This chart is an absolute bombshell.

McDavid absolutely blows away Laine in almost every way. Laine has a 3 goal advantage which is great for him. McDavid's assists speak for themselves on such a garbage team. Speaking of garbage, check out McDavid's +/- compared to Laine's (who played on a STACKED Jets team). Continuing our trash theme for this post, the Oiler's Powerplay was absolute garbage and McDavid only ended up with 5 PPG compared to Laine's 20! Certainly not an indictment on his scoring prowess but shows the room McDavid has to grow in goal totals compared to Laine. Correct me if I'm wrong but it also seems as if Laine doesn't play the PK or doesn't contribute points on it. A threat on the PK is always welcome.

In terms of Ovechkin vs Laine, I take Ovy 100/100 times.

 

[Plural]

Next season Laine will be older than Ovechkin was his rookie season and he'll have 150+ games and deep playoff run NHL under his belt. So in order to keep up with the comparison he needs to lead the league in goals and be top-3 in points. Tall task.

 

[Psych0dad]

Next season Laine will be older than Ovechkin was his rookie season and he'll have 150+ games and deep playoff run NHL under his belt. So in order to keep up with the comparison he needs to lead the league in goals and be top-3 in points. Tall task.

Sure is. Obtainable in 1st with Chef.

 

[Plural]

Sure is. Obtainable in 1st with Chef.

Yeah. I definitely see him as a great candidate to lead the league in goals. He'll need to get significant upgrade in assists. Something around 50/55+40/45 is probably going to be viewed close to OV's rookie season. Not impossible, but it will be difficult. 1st line with Scheif and more PP might just do it.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Actually those were taken badly out of context. I said that when it was statistically true...for 2 months in Laines rookie season he lead the NHL in gpg and ppg. That's what it referred.

That's not true. You said "Laine is the MVP of the league, today" in February 2018. You said the next month would prove you right.

I provided the context by linking the thread.

But honestly it doesn't matter. You standing by your assertion that Laine is at or beyond Mario's level as a passer is good enough for me. It's an indefensible claim.

 

[Varan]

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Why you gotta kill him like that

 

[Varan]

Can’t believe this thread went 13 pages

 

[Keeptdos]

I still laugh at some Leaf posters, but yeah noway Laine will ever be as good as Ovechkin. I consider Ovechkin one of the best if not best goal scorers all time. Sure he can win the rocket his year but the trick is to do it consistently year after year.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Can’t believe this thread went 13 pages

Laine's got a dedicated fanbase, if nothing else.

 

[Alf the dwarf]

I'm not saying he is going to put up the same numbers...I'm saying that stylistically there is nothing that says they are similar. The only thing they have in common is the fact that they can score goals, and they are taller when they put on skates. I don't see anything else that points to them being similar...



Nice graph but what it doesn't show you is that McDavid is a year older. Now show me the graph where McDavid was 19, because that is the only way to make a true comparison. Am I doing this correctly?

EDIT - LOL I didn't refresh the page, and he actually said that. THEY ARE A YEAR APART. HELLO? GUYS HELLO? This is the song I imagine I'm listening to, when people make these arguments about being unable to compare players who are literally a year apart.

Round and round we go, it's like a circus

You really can't compare them when they are not full grown because they take huge leaps in production before that. That's the problem. That's why the exact age. Have you played hockey by yourself as teen? Like seriously, in junior team.

 

[Varan]

Laine's got a dedicated fanbase, if nothing else.

More power to Laine

 

[Hokinaittii]

Different players, similar goal totals.

 

[Brun0]

some serious points to consider:

- Laine was number 2 in goal scoring in the nhl last season.

- Laine has most goals since entering the nhl. Played as 18 and 19.

- Laine was the most effective guy in the nhl playing only 16,5 minutes per game or less. Still scored 44 goals!!!!

- When ovechkin came he played well over 20 to 22 minutes.

- Ovechkin had zero defence to his game then. Cheated a lot on playes and played whole powerplayes.

- Considering those facts Laine looks to be more talented scorer.

- If laine score 52 this season I'd say it's more impressive in 2019 than in 2006. Scoring is harder.

 

[Psych0dad]

some serious points to consider:

- Laine was number 2 in goal scoring in the nhl last season.

- Laine has most goals since entering the nhl. Played as 18 and 19.

- Laine was the most effective guy in the nhl playing only 16,5 minutes per game or less. Still scored 44 goals!!!!

- When ovechkin came he played well over 20 to 22 minutes.

- Ovechkin had zero defence to his game then. Cheated a lot on playes and played whole powerplayes.

- Considering those facts Laine looks to be more talented scorer

- If laine score 52 this season I'd say it's more impressive in 2019 than in 2006. Scoring is harder.

It would certainly be more impressive now. Especially considering PP time.

 

[AD1066]

some serious points to consider:

- Laine was number 2 in goal scoring in the nhl last season.

- Laine has most goals since entering the nhl. Played as 18 and 19.

- Laine was the most effective guy in the nhl playing only 16,5 minutes per game or less. Still scored 44 goals!!!!

- When ovechkin came he played well over 20 to 22 minutes.

- Ovechkin had zero defence to his game then. Cheated a lot on playes and played whole powerplayes.

- Considering those facts Laine looks to be more talented scorer.

- If laine score 52 this season I'd say it's more impressive in 2019 than in 2006. Scoring is harder.

Another point to consider is goal support:

A rookie Ovechkin had 49 more points than his closest teammate, Dainius Zubrus. Jeff Halpern (I repeat, Jeff Halpern) was third in scoring on that team, with 44 points.

Ovechkin 106
Zubrus 57
Halpern 44

That's a world of difference from the situation Laine walked into, having four teammates better than Ovechkin's best at the time, and two significantly so.

You guys sure are determined to rewrite history.

 

[IPS]

Laine's got a dedicated fanbase, if nothing else.

It's more like a cult following.

 

[kmart]

- Considering those facts Laine looks to be more talented scorer.

he can look as talented as 99, until he proves that he can best ovechkin numbers he is not better.

ovi reciving more pp time/ice time than laine is a knock on ovi ?! there is a reason for this... its not the time that boosts stats, players earn their ice time.


for now the benchmark as the best goal scorer is 600+ goals, while having 50;60 goal season in it, combined with highlight reel goals scoring from every position in every way.

if laine outpaces ovi in lets say +10 years while avoiding injury's and lockouts while having no 50or60 goal season in it, it will not be enough to be viewed as better talent. hof career yes but simply not as spectacular.

 

[JetsHomer]

Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Laine is the third best forward on his own team.

Not comparable

 

[cowboy82nd]

some serious points to consider:

- Laine was number 2 in goal scoring in the nhl last season.

- Laine has most goals since entering the nhl. Played as 18 and 19.

- Laine was the most effective guy in the nhl playing only 16,5 minutes per game or less. Still scored 44 goals!!!!

- When ovechkin came he played well over 20 to 22 minutes.

- Ovechkin had zero defence to his game then. Cheated a lot on playes and played whole powerplayes.

- Considering those facts Laine looks to be more talented scorer.

- If laine score 52 this season I'd say it's more impressive in 2019 than in 2006. Scoring is harder.

Laine does not have the most goals since entering the NHL. Laine scored 80 goals in two years and Ovechkin scored 82 in the last two.

 

[IPS]

Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Laine is the third best forward on his own team.

Not comparable

Laine unfortunately gets stuck behind Wheeler (who's arguably a top-3 winger in the game) which does draw back from his ice-time.

 

[PittsburghPens8771]

What has Laine done to deserve being compared to Ovechkin?

He has a nice shot?

 

[JetsHomer]

What has Laine done to deserve being compared to Ovechkin?

He has a nice shot?

Finish #2 in the race for the rocket?

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Laine´s shot is on another level to Ovechkin.

Laine 103mph as a 18 year old.

Has Ovechkin ever even reached 100 mph?

Laine more goals per 60 mins.

Laine also with the higher shoot % in his career.

Has laine even hit 50 goals yet?