Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[Toby91ca]

It's so hilarious how much time you spend coming in a milestone thread, to simply throw random insults around that have nothing to do with the purpose of this thread. You make so many posts that come across with the sole purpose of just shitting on a hockey player.

Don’t disagree with you, but I do think having a milestone thread right now is a bit soon….he has no reasonable chance at the record for this season or next…would be 24/25 season….so I guess this thread will go for a few years

 

[wetcoast]

It's so hilarious how much time you spend coming in a milestone thread, to simply throw random insults around that have nothing to do with the purpose of this thread. You make so many posts that come across with the sole purpose of just shitting on a hockey player.

Funny that you don't actually respond to my post in any meaningful way here.

This is a milestone thread for OV. He's tracking to be a contender for worst single season +/- ever. How is that not noteworthy?

Father time catches up to everyone Ovi still is an opportunist goal scorer and is deadly around the net but the rest of his game has clearly deteriorated overall and might make the big milestone watch pretty hard to watch, even for the most ardent fans.

 

[Toby91ca]

Yeah another eng against. He has 5 or 6 of those this year. Caps is bad this year and missed their two best defencemen in Orlov and Carlson and some of their best wingers in the defensive zone in Oshie, Brown and Wilson.

There is no denying his ugly -13….I normally don’t pay much attention to that stat unless it is an outlier from the rest of the team and his is a significant outlier.

 

[Kuz]

There is no denying his ugly -13….I normally don’t pay much attention to that stat unless it is an outlier from the rest of the team and his is a significant outlier.

Not that much of a outlier on his team when you consider he is always the sixth man with the empty net. Remove the ENG against and he would be -1 to -3 worse than the next worst and not a -6 distance.

He also faces the top players of the oppnent teams and Caps have had Sheary, Brown, Kuznetsov and Strome playing most of the time with him. Not exactly a top line that can match a lot of teams with Kuznetsov not being good this year.

 

[Toby91ca]

Not that much of a outlier on his team when you consider he is always the sixth man with the empty net. Remove the ENG against and he would be -1 to -3 worse than the next worst and not a -6 distance.

He also faces the top players of the oppnent teams and Caps have had Sheary, Brown, Kuznetsov and Strome playing most of the time with him. Not exactly a top line that can match a lot of teams with Kuznetsov not being good this year.

It’s a very significant difference. Let’s not pretend Ovi is out out there in a shutdown role against other teams best players.

He’s -13, two are at -7, one at -5, then -3….most of the team is better than -2.

Anyway, I assume he’s been on the ice for all 5 of the team’s ENG given up….I haven’t bothered to try and figure that out…brings him to -8….I’m also assuming Washington doesn’t pull the goalie and just put Ovi out there and not another 5 guys, so you’d have to adjust his teammate’s minuses as well

 

[filinski77]

Don’t disagree with you, but I do think having a milestone thread right now is a bit soon….he has no reasonable chance at the record for this season or next…would be 24/25 season….so I guess this thread will go for a few years

This thread wasn't only created for the #1 all-time goal record. Ovechkin has been breaking NHL records for years, and this is just a place to continually talk about them.

Recent milestones and NHL records off the top of my head:
-> 3rd all-time in goals (without a doubt thread worthy by itself)
-> Most goals with one franchise all-time
-> Most 50 goal seasons of all-time
-> Most powerplay goals of all-time
-> Most goals in a 36 year old season

Add a ton of more niche records to it. If anyone of the last few decades deserves a long-lasting thread for milestones, it's Ovechkin.

Funny that you don't actually respond to my post in any meaningful way here.

How is it funny?

A guy posted a tweet about how Crosby and Ovechkin were tied in career points. YOU come in and respond with a senseless dig about how bad Ovechkins +/- is (very well knowing that it isn't in the spirit of this thread, or to celebrate a milestone).

If you don't want to admit that you've made a shit ton of posts recently on this thread to just dog on Ovi, then you're more of a lost cause than I thought.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

To quote myself from another thread, here's the progression of the franchise goals record going over the past century:

Date	Player	Goals	Days	Years	World events (approximate)
18-Feb-22	Cy Denneny	246	4,376	11.99	USSR formed, Mussolini in power
11-Feb-34	Howie Morenz	247	1,078	2.95	Great Depression, Hitler in power
24-Jan-37	Aurel Joliat	258	5,093	13.95	Chamberlain PM of UK, Japan invades China, prelude to WWII
04-Jan-51	Maurice Richard	270	4,693	12.86	Start of Korean war, Queen Elizabeth soon becomes monarch
10-Nov-63	Gordie Howe	545	21,545	59.03	MLK speech, The Beatles' first album, JFK killed, Vietnam war
05-Nov-22	Alex Ovechkin	787	???	???	COVID-19 pandemic winding down, death of Queen Elizabeth

When Howe set the record, man hadn't yet landed on the moon.

 

[Toby91ca]

This thread wasn't only created for the #1 all-time goal record. Ovechkin has been breaking NHL records for years, and this is just a place to continually talk about them.

Recent milestones and NHL records off the top of my head:
-> 3rd all-time in goals (without a doubt thread worthy by itself)
-> Most goals with one franchise all-time
-> Most 50 goal seasons of all-time
-> Most powerplay goals of all-time
-> Most goals in a 36 year old season

Add a ton of more niche records to it. If anyone of the last few decades deserves a long-lasting thread for milestones, it's Ovechkin.


How is it funny?

A guy posted a tweet about how Crosby and Ovechkin were tied in career points. YOU come in and respond with a senseless dig about how bad Ovechkins +/- is (very well knowing that it isn't in the spirit of this thread, or to celebrate a milestone).

If you don't want to admit that you've made a shit ton of posts recently on this thread to just dog on Ovi, then you're more of a lost cause than I thought.

That’s fair(re milestone discussion)

 

[Zuluss]

This is a milestone thread for OV. He's tracking to be a contender for worst single season +/- ever. How is that not noteworthy?

Весаuse "tracking"/"being on pace for" is not a milestone?
No one is congratulating Ovechkin on breaking Gretzky's goals record yet. Even though yeah, he is "tracking" to beat it.

 

[Mirka the Turka]

In technicality Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all time, if he played in Gretzky's horrible goaltending era he'd have around 1000 goals.

But still, it is amazing to watch him get close to that mark.

 

[HurricaneFanatic]

This is a record that may never be broken

Scoring is up, never know. Won't be for a long long time.

 

[HurricaneFanatic]

In technicality Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all time, if he played in Gretzky's horrible goaltending era he'd have around 1000 goals.

But still, it is amazing to watch him get close to that mark.

I hate this argument. Times were different so was nutrition, equipment, rules, etc.
Sure you put THIS Ovy in that era he would cruise, but it wouldn't be this version in those days.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Scoring is up, never know. Won't be for a long long time.

Depends on how far Ovi pushes the record if he gets there, and if there are rule changes to facilitate goal scoring for future generations.

Howe’s record stood from 1963 to 1994, which is 31 years.

Gretzky’s record dates back to 1994 (when he passed Howe), so it will have stood approximately 31 years as well if Ovechkin maintains his current pace.

The symmetry is beautiful, it’s like it’s meant to be. Hopefully Ovi gets there, and someone can pass him as well 31 years later.

 

[wetcoast]

This thread wasn't only created for the #1 all-time goal record. Ovechkin has been breaking NHL records for years, and this is just a place to continually talk about them.

Recent milestones and NHL records off the top of my head:
-> 3rd all-time in goals (without a doubt thread worthy by itself)
-> Most goals with one franchise all-time
-> Most 50 goal seasons of all-time
-> Most powerplay goals of all-time
-> Most goals in a 36 year old season

Add a ton of more niche records to it. If anyone of the last few decades deserves a long-lasting thread for milestones, it's Ovechkin.


How is it funny?

A guy posted a tweet about how Crosby and Ovechkin were tied in career points. YOU come in and respond with a senseless dig about how bad Ovechkins +/- is (very well knowing that it isn't in the spirit of this thread, or to celebrate a milestone).

If you don't want to admit that you've made a shit ton of posts recently on this thread to just dog on Ovi, then you're more of a lost cause than I thought.

The "spirit of the thread", by that do you mean that only people claiming how great Ovi is at everything is the only thing that can be discussed?

Ovi and his race to the milestone involves not just scoring goals but his actual play to shade out the sun is literally intellectual censorship and will lead to threads with little or no meaning.

Your above reply wants to focus ONLY on goals why is that?

 

[filinski77]

The "spirit of the thread", by that do you mean that only people claiming how great Ovi is at everything is the only thing that can be discussed?

I can't believe I have to spell this out for you. You responded to a post, with a reply that had NOTHING to do with neither post you were responding to (the Ovi/Crosby tie in points going into that game OR Ovechkin's milestones). Instead you responded with a random insult about Ovechkin's +/-.

This is literally a milestone thread to celebrate all of the records and huge milestones that Ovechkin is accomplishing. If you honestly think that your senseless +/- comments are actually relevant to this thread, then please just don't respond to me anymore on this topic, since you clearly aren't willing to accept responsibility.

Ovi and his race to the milestone involves not just scoring goals but his actual play to shade out the sun is literally intellectual censorship and will lead to threads with little or no meaning.

Intellectual censorship? What the f*** are you talking about. You sound like a conspiracy theorist who's just jealous that people are celebrating another players accomplishments.

We are celebrating milestones, not YOUR perception on how Ovechkin is a useless player now, and doesn't deserve his ice time. When you come in and make 10-20 posts repeating how bad Ovechkin is, THAT is what leads to this thread getting de-railed.

Your above reply wants to focus ONLY on goals why is that?

You are trying to make something out of nothing here. Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all-time, of course most of his milestones are goal-related.

But, just to remind you, there's been other things commented here that aren't goal related:
-> Ovechkin entering the top-20 all time in points
-> Just last season, Ovechkin finishing top-20 in points gave him the 6th most top-20 point finishes in NHL history

Regardless, it clearly seems like nothing is going to change your opinion on just shitting on Ovechkin whenever you get a chance here.

 

[wetcoast]

I can't believe I have to spell this out for you. You responded to a post, with a reply that had NOTHING to do with neither post you were responding to (the Ovi/Crosby tie in points going into that game OR Ovechkin's milestones). Instead you responded with a random insult about Ovechkin's +/-.

This is literally a milestone thread to celebrate all of the records and huge milestones that Ovechkin is accomplishing. If you honestly think that your senseless +/- comments are actually relevant to this thread, then please just don't respond to me anymore on this topic, since you clearly aren't willing to accept responsibility.


Intellectual censorship? What the f*** are you talking about. You sound like a conspiracy theorist who's just jealous that people are celebrating another players accomplishments.

We are celebrating milestones, not YOUR perception on how Ovechkin is a useless player now, and doesn't deserve his ice time. When you come in and make 10-20 posts repeating how bad Ovechkin is, THAT is what leads to this thread getting de-railed.


You are trying to make something out of nothing here. Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all-time, of course most of his milestones are goal-related.

But, just to remind you, there's been other things commented here that aren't goal related:
-> Ovechkin entering the top-20 all time in points
-> Just last season, Ovechkin finishing top-20 in points gave him the 6th most top-20 point finishes in NHL history

Regardless, it clearly seems like nothing is going to change your opinion on just shitting on Ovechkin whenever you get a chance here.

So let me get this straight, if it's not really thread related but boosts Ovi then it's all good but if one presents actuals stats which can be confirmed by the eye test showing something that isn't 100% Ovi positive then it's off thread topic?

But then again you seem to have a history of being very selective in evaluating this particular player, the whole picture gives context.

Ovi has had a great run and is still an elite opportunist goal scorer but the sun is clearly setting on him and that stats (+/-) and offensive zone starts to go along with once again premium PP TOI are part of the landscape and to cast shade on them serves exactly what purpose.

Oh I know if it doesn't show Ovi in a 100% absolutely favorable light then we must dismiss it right?

 

[Toby91ca]

This is a record that may never be broken

If you mean most goals with one team, I'm not sure.....all records are made to be broken, but I think the overall goal record is probably less likely, which seems odd as it certainly wouldn't have been that way in eras gone by. It seems franchise players are much, much more likely to stick with the same team these days. If Gretzky played in the cap era, it's unlikely he leaves the Oilers.

All that said....likely the most goals with the same team and most goals overall will be the same number of goals (we'll see in a few years).

 

[Toby91ca]

In technicality Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all time, if he played in Gretzky's horrible goaltending era he'd have around 1000 goals.

But still, it is amazing to watch him get close to that mark.

You say "in technicality" and then make reference to a hypothetical....so not technical at all.

 

[filinski77]

So let me get this straight, if it's not really thread related but boosts Ovi then it's all good but if one presents actuals stats which can be confirmed by the eye test showing something that isn't 100% Ovi positive then it's off thread topic?

But then again you seem to have a history of being very selective in evaluating this particular player, the whole picture gives context.

Ovi has had a great run and is still an elite opportunist goal scorer but the sun is clearly setting on him and that stats (+/-) and offensive zone starts to go along with once again premium PP TOI are part of the landscape and to cast shade on them serves exactly what purpose.

Oh I know if it doesn't show Ovi in a 100% absolutely favorable light then we must dismiss it right?

Jesus, you're a lost cause man.

You coming in here and going (paraphrasing):
"Ovechkin stinks now, he's not an effective player now"
"He doesn't deserve his ice-time"
"He gets too many O-zone starts"
"He's a volume shooter and PP specialist at this time"
"He's got a terrible +/-"
"Goals aren't everything"

^ All of this has NOTHING to do with Ovechkin's accomplishments and milestones. If you want to go make a thread that relates to Ovechkin's quality of play, then feel free. But when you bog down this thread with a significant amount of posts like the above (that still, have nothing to do with the purpose of the thread), then you're a problem.

 

[wetcoast]

Jesus, you're a lost cause man.

You coming in here and going (paraphrasing):
"Ovechkin stinks now, he's not an effective player now"
"He doesn't deserve his ice-time"
"He gets too many O-zone starts"
"He's a volume shooter and PP specialist at this time"
"He's got a terrible +/-"
"Goals aren't everything"

^ All of this has NOTHING to do with Ovechkin's accomplishments and milestones. If you want to go make a thread that relates to Ovechkin's quality of play, then feel free. But when you bog down this thread with a significant amount of posts like the above (that still, have nothing to do with the purpose of the thread), then you're a problem.

You are kind of proving my point here but whatever, enjoy the race for Gretzky's record because at the NHL level the Capitals are putting too much into that to the detriment of developing an actual winning team.

But carry on point out the positives and don't dare to look at context which is pretty typical for Ovi fanatics since the SC season.

They had a great draft in 22 so there is a future to look forward to.

 

[Neil Racki]

You are kind of proving my point here but whatever, enjoy the race for Gretzky's record because at the NHL level the Capitals are putting too much into that to the detriment of developing an actual winning team.

But carry on point out the positives and don't dare to look at context which is pretty typical for Ovi fanatics since the SC season.

They had a great draft in 22 so there is a future to look forward to.

Dude .. we get it. You hate Ovi, you think he sucks.

Why spend so much time repeating your negative Ovi thoughts in an Ovi milestone thread.

Is there another birthday cake you can go pee on?

 

[wetcoast]

Dude .. we get it. You hate Ovi, you think he sucks.

Why spend so much time repeating your negative Ovi thoughts in an Ovi milestone thread.

Is there another birthday cake you can go pee on?

No you don't get it, I don't hate Ovi and also don't think that he sucks as I have had him as the best goal scorer of all time for several years now but I'm a "look at everything type of guy" for each and every player.

The offensive zine start % isn't about my thoughts it's a fact, as is the more than usual PP TOI, which has been a trend in the last several seasons given his overall PP effectiveness and value.

It's not just about goals and nothing else.

 

[norrisnick]

No you don't get it, I don't hate Ovi and also don't think that he sucks as I have had him as the best goal scorer of all time for several years now but I'm a "look at everything type of guy" for each and every player.

The offensive zine start % isn't about my thoughts it's a fact, as is the more than usual PP TOI, which has been a trend in the last several seasons given his overall PP effectiveness and value.

It's not just about goals and nothing else.

 

[wetcoast]

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[norrisnick]

I'm an older guy and not into memes so what does that even mean?

I have doubts regarding the veracity of that statement.