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Wonder how many people will understand this.
Man he is one dimensional player with that PP shot...
Man he is one dimensional player with that PP shot...
I think Ovechkin is Brett Hull 2.0, nothing more.
He’s so far away from being a complete player over his career the idea of him #5 seems certifiable to me, but agree to disagree.
#5 all time best player
He also had a nice one on the Draisaitl goalOvy with one dimensional assist
Wasnt on the ice for the RNH goal. Matches his -2 rating aswell as 4 of the 5 goals was on the PP for Washington.Looking at Edmonton game highlights Ovi was seemingly on the ice for all 9 goals, lol. For better and for worse... He's on a nice heater lately, though.
MVP finishes:
Ovechkin: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 6, 7, 9, 10
Hull: 1, 3, 3, 6
Point finishes:
Ovechkin: 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 7, 8
Hull: 2, 4, 5
Assists:
Ovechkin: 6, 6, 10
Hull: N/A
Goals Created:
Ovechkin: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 6, 6, 6,7, 8, 9
Hull: 1,1, 2, 4, 8
Even-strength goals:
Ovechkin: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 8, 9
Hull: 1, 1, 1, 7, 8, 10, 10
Led league in goals:
Ovechkin: 9x
Hull: 3x
I'd say watching them play is a great way to tell the difference. Ovechkin brought more physicality, speed and creativity than Hull ever did.I see this as directly supporting my argument that Ovi is Hull 2.0, yet it feels like you posted this to try to own my argument with stats or something.
Those stats show Ovi as a dominant goal scorer with limited playmaking outside of creating his own chances (which I 100% acknowledge is at the highest level). The most important stat in there is that Ovi was Top 10 for assists only three times in his career. So was Taylor Hall I think. (I don't know, I'd have to look, but that's the type of player that's lower Top 10 a few times in his career.)
Ovi is one of about a dozen players that will end his career with more goals than assists.
The list looks like this in terms of top goals to assists ratios:
Bondra: 1.3
Richard: 1.29
Ovi: 1.24
Bure: 1.18
Brett Hull: 1.14
So how is it not fair to say that Ovi is a better version of Brett Hull? Who is a better 2.0 version of?
I put their stat lines together, can you tell me which is which without names? (Obviously you can because Ovi passed him for goals, but I'm making a point)
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I see this as directly supporting my argument that Ovi is Hull 2.0, yet it feels like you posted this to try to own my argument with stats or something.
Those stats show Ovi as a dominant goal scorer with limited playmaking outside of creating his own chances (which I 100% acknowledge is at the highest level). The most important stat in there is that Ovi was Top 10 for assists only three times in his career. So was Taylor Hall I think. (I don't know, I'd have to look, but that's the type of player that's lower Top 10 a few times in his career.)
Ovi is one of about a dozen players that will end his career with more goals than assists.
The list looks like this in terms of top goals to assists ratios:
Bondra: 1.3
Richard: 1.29
Ovi: 1.24
Bure: 1.18
Brett Hull: 1.14
So how is it not fair to say that Ovi is a better version of Brett Hull? Who is a better 2.0 version of?
I put their stat lines together, can you tell me which is which without names? (Obviously you can because Ovi passed him for goals, but I'm making a point)
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# | Player | Primary P |
1 | Wayne Gretzky | 2218 |
2 | Gordie Howe | 1547 |
3 | Jaromir Jagr | 1450 |
4 | Mark Messier | 1445 |
5 | Marcel Dionne | 1393 |
6 | Ron Francis | 1346 |
7 | Mario Lemieux | 1344 |
8 | Steve Yzerman | 1342 |
9 | Phil Esposito | 1273 |
10 | Joe Sakic | 1202 |
11 | Alexander Ovechkin | 1179 |
12 | Teemu Selanne | 1177 |
13 | Dale Hawerchuk | 1132 |
14 | Brett Hull | 1129 |
15 | Stan Mikita | 1126 |
16 | Joe Thornton | 1113 |
17 | Mark Recchi | 1108 |
18 | Mike Gartner | 1091 |
19 | Doug Gilmour | 1084 |
20 | Luc Robitaille | 1083 |
21 | Brendan Shanahan | 1083 |
22 | Sidney Crosby | 1078 |
23 | Mats Sundin | 1076 |
24 | Johnny Bucyk | 1075 |
25 | Dave Andreychuk | 1071 |
26 | Bryan Trottier | 1066 |
27 | Jari Kurri | 1064 |
28 | Denis Savard | 1056 |
29 | Mike Modano | 1054 |
30 | Jarome Iginla | 1054 |