HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: Off-Season Edition

[red devil]

 

[Toene]

I was looking at the Detroit Red Wings depth charts and their roster building and they have some really good prospect depth but no savior (like our Habs imo).

That said, is Dylan Larkin the most overrated player in the league? Dude is mid af for a supposed 1C. I never got the hype. He's fast, decent top-6 player, but meh.

 

[ReHabs]

I was looking at the Detroit Red Wings depth charts and their roster building and they have some really good prospect depth but no savior (like our Habs imo).

That said, is Dylan Larkin the most overrated player in the league? Dude is mid af for a supposed 1C. I never got the hype. He's fast, decent top-6 player, but meh.

Larkin is slightly better than Suzuki, imo. He’s been on some real crap teams too, don’t forget.

Detroit is well run — they’re not doing “drafting and development” OR “competing with the league” OR “instituting a winning culture”. They’re trying to do all three because they all feed into each other (ie it’s better for a young player’s development to happen in a winning environment).

Yzerman said his plan clearly and plainly: he signed those players this summer to get this team to the next level. He can deal them away when better young players come in or hold onto them as he sees fit.

And now he’s acquired a premium player from a divisional rival. Wild how some teams manage to do that.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Tarasenko then likely signs in Ottawa.

I wonder if a team has missed out will look to Hoffman for a boost in offense.

Likely just wishful thanking no one wants him

 

[Adam Michaels]

Official

 

[Big Lurk]

Tarasenko then likely signs in Ottawa.

I wonder if a team has missed out will look to Hoffman for a boost in offense in the ECHL

Likely just wishful thanking no one wants him

Fixed

 

[red devil]

Sens acquire players and picks from Detroit in trade for Alex Debrincat | Ottawa Senators

OTTAWA - The Ottawa Senators announced today that the team has acquired forward Dominik Kubalik, prospect defenceman Donovan Sebrango, a conditional 2024 first-round draft pick and Detroit's 2024 fourth-round selection from the Red Wings in exchange for forward Alex DeBrincat.

www.nhl.com

The initial condition on the first-round pick is as follows -- the Red Wings will have the option of sending their own 2024 first-round pick or Boston's 2024 first-round pick (previously acquired on March 2, 2023) to Ottawa. However, if the Bruins' 2024 first-round selection is an eventual top-10 pick (following the annual draft lottery), Boston will have the option of retaining the pick and transfering its 2025 unprotected first-round selection to Detroit. The Red Wings will then have the option of sending that draft pick or their own first-round pick in 2024 to the Senators to complete this trade.

 

[LV426]

The Sens board is going into meltdown. Terrible trade for them.

 

[Whitesnake]

1st rounder will be great though....it screams top 10 in 2024 or 2025.

 

[habamillions]

It all depends on the 1st rounder. Right now yzerman got the better of dorion

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Detroit paid almost the same price as the Habs paid for Newhook.

1st (31st), and conditional 1st are close.
Habs 2nd, 37th is better than Kubalik.

Fairbrother and Sebrango are pretty much similar.

4th - nothing.

 

[Kaladin]

Yzerman is such an idiot. He just traded for Debrincat, a small player when he already has Raymond and Berggren as small skilled players in his top 6.

EVERYONE knows you can't have more than 1 small skilled player in your top 6. People are jumping up and down that Ottawa got fleeced doesn't understand roster construction at all. Thankfully, us Habs fans and Hughes are knowledgeable in these dark arts. It's okay friends, Detroit fans will soon learn how shit of a trade this was. Sure, they'll watch all 3 score goals and win games in the mean time but it's not truly winning unless a big guy is the one scoring the goals. Fools.

 

[MXD]

Yzerman is such an idiot. He just traded for Debrincat, a small player when he already has Raymond and Berggren as small skilled players in his top 6.

EVERYONE knows you can't have more than 1 small skilled player in your top 6. People are jumping up and down that Ottawa got fleeced doesn't understand roster construction at all. Thankfully, us Habs fans and Hughes are knowledgeable in these dark arts. It's okay friends, Detroit fans will soon learn how shit of a trade this was. Sure, they'll watch all 3 score goals and win games in the mean time but it's not truly winning unless a big guy is the one scoring the goals. Fools.

Berggren isn't small and Detroit in en route for a solid drive for 9th.

 

[rahad]

2024 1st round pick (DET) [Conditional]*
2024 4th round pick (DET)
*Conditions: Detroit has the option to send their own or Boston's 2024 1st round picks. In the event the Bruins' 2024 first-round selection is a top-10 pick, Boston can retain the pick and transfer their 2025 1st round pick instead. Detroit will then have the option of sending Boston's 2025 unprotected 1st or their own 2024 1st to Ottawa.

 

[ReHabs]

Incredible stuff from Yzerman.

Intra-division trade to acquire a premium player. None of the pieces sent out are going to be missed by DET. Wow! Just today I was told these trades don’t happen…

@Saundies what’s your take? Another trade which we shouldn’t count as evidence that teams can acquire premium players?

 

[le_sean]

Lol Ottawa is such a trash franchise. Not worried about them going forward despite having Stutzle. No one wants to play there.

 

[Balthazar]

Yzerman is such an idiot. He just traded for Debrincat, a small player when he already has Raymond and Berggren as small skilled players in his top 6.

OR between this trade and Benson being drafted at #13, it shows you clearly how small wingers have little value in this league. If you want one you can easily trade for one, don't waste a high draft pick.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Lol Ottawa is such a trash franchise. Not worried about them going forward despite having Stutzle. No one wants to play there.

Stutzle signed long-term.
Brady Tkachuk did.
Josh Norris
Chabot did.

If the sens get rid of Dorion they could be dangerous, but they need to get rid of him last year.

 

[le_sean]

Stutzle signed long-term.
Brady Tkachuk did.
Josh Norris
Chabot did.

If the sens get rid of Dorion they could be dangerous, but they need to get rid of him last year.

Yeah all players drafted there. So if they continue to hit on picks, good for them. I don’t see Chychrun staying either.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Incredible stuff from Yzerman.

Intra-division trade to acquire a premium player. None of the pieces sent out are going to be missed by DET. Wow! Just today I was told these trades don’t happen…

@Saundies what’s your take? Another trade which we shouldn’t count as evidence that teams can acquire premium players?

Yes because he is NOT a premium player.

 

[Kaladin]

OR between this trade and Benson being drafted at #13, it shows you clearly how small wingers have little value in this league. If you want one you can easily trade for one, don't waste a high draft pick.

Interesting. So your position, as opposed to almost everyone at HFboards right now (including detroit and sens boards) is that Ottawa actually managed to get a good deal for a low value player?

 

[dinodebino]

Larkin is slightly better than Suzuki, imo. He’s been on some real crap teams too, don’t forget.

Detroit is well run — they’re not doing “drafting and development” OR “competing with the league” OR “instituting a winning culture”. They’re trying to do all three because they all feed into each other (ie it’s better for a young player’s development to happen in a winning environment).

Yzerman said his plan clearly and plainly: he signed those players this summer to get this team to the next level. He can deal them away when better young players come in or hold onto them as he sees fit.

And now he’s acquired a premium player from a divisional rival. Wild how some teams manage to do that.

When did they start to tank?

 

[Shred]

Did he really turn down 8x8 in Ottawa for this? He’s only 25 but might not have the supporting cast to repeat 40+ goals in Detroit.

 

[Balthazar]

Interesting. So your position, as opposed to almost everyone at HFboards right now (including detroid and sens boards) is that Ottawa actually managed to get a good deal for a low value player?

No Dorion got fooled by thinking that he could sign an American UFA long term. It's hard to pull off for any Canadian team.

That doesn't change what I said though. Small wingers have little value.

 

[Rapala]

Larkin is slightly better than Suzuki, imo. He’s been on some real crap teams too, don’t forget.

Detroit is well run — they’re not doing “drafting and development” OR “competing with the league” OR “instituting a winning culture”. They’re trying to do all three because they all feed into each other (ie it’s better for a young player’s development to happen in a winning environment).

Yzerman said his plan clearly and plainly: he signed those players this summer to get this team to the next level. He can deal them away when better young players come in or hold onto them as he sees fit.

And now he’s acquired a premium player from a divisional rival. Wild how some teams manage to do that.

He is slightly older not slightly better. I don't get why we assume Suzuki has peaked? He still has a number of seasons to go with hopefully a stronger team and cast of characters before he will reach his apex. His stats are very much in line with Larkin's first four seasons plus he has some post season pedigree Larkin does not have.