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It might take a longer time for some players. KK shows improvement. HIs quarterly numbers was doubled in the 2nd part of the season. And now, he has 5 points in 5 games. Playing an average of 15 minutes a game. That whole 2018 draft was a disaster by not going with Tkachuk or by going too fast with JK. A total failure.
 
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Whitesnake said:
It might take a longer time for some players. KK shows improvement. HIs quarterly numbers was doubled in the 2nd part of the season. And now, he has 5 points in 5 games. Playing an average of 15 minutes a game. That whole 2018 draft was a disaster by not going with Tkachuk or by going too fast with JK. A total failure.
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He's very streaky and always was... hope for him he gains in consistency, but that could be said for most young hockey players, including Suzuki and Caufield.
 
Zam Boni said:
We're not in the Playoffs to begin with that season without Covid. 6-0-3 vs Vancouver and below .500 vs the rest of the teams if I remember correctly.

What that TEAM actually did once in the playoffs was incredible and deserves all recognition and accolades. Ironically enough, they played the best when the Head Coach was MIA, go figure.
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To be fair, maybe opponents were not the best, but that COVID season was the hardest schedule they ever play, with Montreal also having one of the hardest schedule of all teams when you think of games frequency and travelling. You are right about playoffs, just remember that Winnipeg serie was over in six days.
 
Scorey Perry said:
All Cup teams have superstar. Can't knock him on that. I thought he did good job. You're too harsh. All those other Cup teams were league doormats for 5-10 years. Every one followed same blueprint. Tampa, Colorado,Pittsburgh, Chicago. They seen tons bad hockey for decade to load up on high draft picks to get Cup.
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He hired the worst coach in the NHL
He hired the worst coach in the AHL
He ran a superstar out of town
He allowed a 4th line center to play on the first
He turned down skilled players and brought on grinders
He never added players so we could win
He never committed to a rebuild
We were always stuck in the middle

He was a terrible GM. That’s why no other organization will hire him as a GM ever again.

He flat out sucks.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
He hired the worst coach in the NHL
He hired the worst coach in the AHL
He ran a superstar out of town
He allowed a 4th line center to play on the first
He turned down skilled players and brought on grinders
He never added players so we could win
He never committed to a rebuild
We were always stuck in the middle

He was a terrible GM. That’s why no other organization will hire him as a GM ever again.

He flat out sucks.
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Agree with everything except the last part...

If michou can get a 2nd stint coaching the Habs, tells us all we need to know about the ol' boys club. MB just needs 1 loyal crony & 1 weak owner to land another gig. Merit has very little to do with those musical chairs
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
He hired the worst coach in the NHL
He hired the worst coach in the AHL
He ran a superstar out of town
He allowed a 4th line center to play on the first
He turned down skilled players and brought on grinders
He never added players so we could win
He never committed to a rebuild
We were always stuck in the middle

He was a terrible GM. That’s why no other organization will hire him as a GM ever again.

He flat out sucks.
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Getting to Cup finals without the lengthy rebuild process is difficult to do. Bergevin gave city a thriller one spring. He made mistakes but enough good moves to get there. Bergevin did good job.

He brought in a lot of good players year of Canadian division. I always thought Tyler Toffoli was solid fit. A gritty 30 goal scorer for nil on reasonable contract. Corey Perry had the ring. Guys who know what takes to win. Not Perry alone, lesser degree Allen, Edmunston. Weber was good move, called the meeting in Toronto down 3-1. Locking up Price, was good, but injury has hurt this move. It's debatable. Danault was great trade. The Pizza man. He wanted sunny California. Many would.

The core of our future is Bergevin. Suzuki and those guys. He is quality captain here for many years. Not Suzuki alone but the defense. Guhle is character guy. Xhekaj too. Character guys he went for. Caufield. Bergs made smart not to trade his future when team was down. He wouldn't give up future first picks.
 
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Scorey Perry said:
Getting to Cup finals without the lengthy rebuild process is difficult to do. Bergevin gave city a thriller one spring. He made mistakes but enough good moves to get there. Bergevin did good job.

He brought in a lot of good players year of Canadian division. I always thought Tyler Toffoli was solid fit. A gritty 30 goal scorer for nil on reasonable contract. Corey Perry had the ring. Guys who know what takes to win. Not Perry alone, lesser degree Allen, Edmunston. Weber was good move, called the meeting in Toronto down 3-1. Locking up Price, was good, but injury has hurt this move. It's debatable. Danault was great trade. The Pizza man. He wanted sunny California. Many would.

The core of our future is Bergevin. Suzuki and those guys. He is quality captain here for many years. Not Suzuki alone but the defense. Guhle is character guy. Xhekaj too. Character guys he went for. Caufield. Bergs made smart not to trade his future when team was down. He wouldn't give up future first picks.
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Reading this is like touching a madness rune.

I don't mean to insult you but I have to ask what you get out of this argumentation. You're giving credit to Bergevin for doing his job and signing players like Toffoli (career high: 58 points) when there was cap space available... isn't that the bare minimum? What about actual star players, those who actually have a serious impact on a trajectory of a sports team -- did Bergevin sign, acquire, draft, or develop a single star player? Weber was acquired for Subban, Suzuki was acquired for Pacioretty -- that's trading horses. Did Bergevin add a single star player? Radulov was for one season and forgotten, he didn't even hit 60 pts for us, mind you. Petry? Not a star player. What about the draftees, how many stars did Bergevin get for us in 10 years?

Did he leave a better core than he inherited? Be honest.
 
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Getting to Cup finals without the lengthy rebuild process is difficult to do. Bergevin gave city a thriller one spring. He made mistakes but enough good moves to get there. Bergevin did good job.

He brought in a lot of good players year of Canadian division. I always thought Tyler Toffoli was solid fit. A gritty 30 goal scorer for nil on reasonable contract. Corey Perry had the ring. Guys who know what takes to win. Not Perry alone, lesser degree Allen, Edmunston. Weber was good move, called the meeting in Toronto down 3-1. Locking up Price, was good, but injury has hurt this move. It's debatable. Danault was great trade. The Pizza man. He wanted sunny California. Many would.

The core of our future is Bergevin. Suzuki and those guys. He is quality captain here for many years. Not Suzuki alone but the defense. Guhle is character guy. Xhekaj too. Character guys he went for. Caufield. Bergs made smart not to trade his future when team was down. He wouldn't give up future first picks.
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Going to the cup finals was the product of our superstar playing out of his mind.

How many years of his prime did we squander? How many years did we have 8 million plus in empty cap space? How many more cups could we have competed for?

He had a great, great goalie who covered up a lot of problems for years. And then he blew up the defense corp even mitigating the skills of his goalie. He was the worst GM at the absolute worst time.

Want to credit someone for us going to the finals? Credit Carey Price. And NO he didn’t do it alone - no player does - but he’s the prime reason we got there.

And think about this too. We had a goalie who was a machine in the postseason. If our team got three goals it was an automatic win. But we STILL couldn’t win anything because we never had the team to support him.

And on top of that, we traded away one of the best clutch players in the league. A blueliner whose numbers actually improved in the playoffs. A guy who actually was more productive in the postseason than Claude Lemieux was…

Terrible GM.
 
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I find myself cheering for Buffalo to make the PO but the East is so damn tight.
Will Washington drop now that Ovi will be out for a while?
Pittsburgh will probably make it by default, just by being Pittsburgh and having Crosby, so it is basically five teams (WAS, NYI, FLA, BUF, DET) fighting for the last spot.

Meanwhile the top six teams in the East are all trending @110pts.
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
Going to the cup finals was the product of our superstar playing out of his mind.

How many years of his prime did we squander? How many years did we have 8 million plus in empty cap space? How many more cups could we have competed for?

He had a great, great goalie who covered up a lot of problems for years. And then he blew up the defense corp even mitigating the skills of his goalie. He was the worst GM at the absolute worst time.

Want to credit someone for us going to the finals? Credit Carey Price. And NO he didn’t do it alone - no player does - but he’s the prime reason we got there.

And think about this too. We had a goalie who was a machine in the postseason. If our team got three goals it was an automatic win. But we STILL couldn’t win anything because we never had the team to support him.

And on top of that, we traded away one of the best clutch players in the league. A blueliner whose numbers actually improved in the playoffs. A guy who actually was more productive in the postseason than Claude Lemieux was…

Terrible GM.
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Nothing personal, we just see it different. I know how hard it is to get close to a Cup. Especially going up against teams who have purposely tanked for years to stack up on stars. Building around his star goalie is brilliant move. You painting it as if Bergs only move went right. But there were many. Suzuki? Toffoli? Petry? Danault? Caufield? Corey Perry? It's long list.
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
Going to the cup finals was the product of our superstar playing out of his mind.

How many years of his prime did we squander? How many years did we have 8 million plus in empty cap space? How many more cups could we have competed for?

He had a great, great goalie who covered up a lot of problems for years. And then he blew up the defense corp even mitigating the skills of his goalie. He was the worst GM at the absolute worst time.

Want to credit someone for us going to the finals? Credit Carey Price. And NO he didn’t do it alone - no player does - but he’s the prime reason we got there.

And think about this too. We had a goalie who was a machine in the postseason. If our team got three goals it was an automatic win. But we STILL couldn’t win anything because we never had the team to support him.

And on top of that, we traded away one of the best clutch players in the league. A blueliner whose numbers actually improved in the playoffs. A guy who actually was more productive in the postseason than Claude Lemieux was…

Terrible GM.
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But it’s ok if Crosby, Malkin, Ovy, Kane etc play out of their mind?

Very disingenuous
 
Scorey Perry said:
Nothing personal, we just see it different. I know how hard it is to get close to a Cup. Especially going up against teams who have purposely tanked for years to stack up on stars. Building around his star goalie is brilliant move. You painting it as if Bergs only move went right. But there were many. Suzuki? Toffoli? Petry? Danault? Caufield? Corey Perry? It's long list.
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You listed depth players who maxed out at around 60pts with the Habs (Suzuki, who was acquired in a swap for another 60-65pt player Pacioretty). During his tenure Bergevin never added another serious core player, he never added a Ryan ORielly or a Panarin or a Brayden Point. He never managed to get a single PPG player on the Habs. Imagine if he had?

salbutera said:
But it’s ok if Crosby, Malkin, Ovy, Kane etc play out of their mind?

Very disingenuous
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Those teams had more than one star-- in fact you named two. How's that for diingenuous?

If Bergevin added to the core, rather than play musical chairs, we wouldn't be complaining about how badly he wasted Carey Price. You saw how effective and incredible Price was in that run, imagine if he had actual scoring support and not broken down Gallagher and stone hands Danault eating minutes.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Going to the cup finals was the product of our superstar playing out of his mind.

How many years of his prime did we squander? How many years did we have 8 million plus in empty cap space? How many more cups could we have competed for?

He had a great, great goalie who covered up a lot of problems for years. And then he blew up the defense corp even mitigating the skills of his goalie. He was the worst GM at the absolute worst time.

Want to credit someone for us going to the finals? Credit Carey Price. And NO he didn’t do it alone - no player does - but he’s the prime reason we got there.

And think about this too. We had a goalie who was a machine in the postseason. If our team got three goals it was an automatic win. But we STILL couldn’t win anything because we never had the team to support him.

And on top of that, we traded away one of the best clutch players in the league. A blueliner whose numbers actually improved in the playoffs. A guy who actually was more productive in the postseason than Claude Lemieux was…

Terrible GM.
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Well said.................there is 1-2 defenders left on this board, the rest have all died of embarrassment.............it's insane how bad a GM he was, as the years rolled on............rinse and repeat.
 
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But it’s ok if Crosby, Malkin, Ovy, Kane etc play out of their mind?

Very disingenuous
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You expect your stars to play out of their mind. And when you have one, you build on him. That’s what those teams did. That’s why they win cups.

They didn’t get Crosby and then leave 8 mil in cap space. They went out and got real superstars like Kessel to go win.
 
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Nothing personal, we just see it different.
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Right. But I can back up what I’m saying.
Scorey Perry said:
I know how hard it is to get close to a Cup. Especially going up against teams who have purposely tanked for years to stack up on stars. Building around his star goalie is brilliant move. You painting it as if Bergs only move went right. But there were many. Suzuki? Toffoli? Petry? Danault? Caufield? Corey Perry? It's long list.
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Caufield sat on the bench with minimal ice time because MB hired a rookie coach who didn’t know what the hell he was doing. It’s just more evidence of his incompetence.

And no, I’m not saying MB never made a good move. He had ten years here, of course you’re going to find some that were good. But you’re looking at it from a transactional standpoint. It’s like focusing on a grain of sand and ignoring the beach.

He never had a PLAN. We never went for it or did a true rebuild. We were always in the mushy middle. The only plan he had was Pricer stop the puck. And then he blew up the defense so badly that even that didn’t work anymore.

Got awful GM.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Right. But I can back up what I’m saying.

Caufield sat on the bench with minimal ice time because MB hired a rookie coach who didn’t know what the hell he was doing. It’s just more evidence of his incompetence.

And no, I’m not saying MB never made a good move. He had ten years here, of course you’re going to find some that were good. But you’re looking at it from a transactional standpoint. It’s like focusing on a grain of sand and ignoring the beach.

He never had a PLAN. We never went for it or did a true rebuild. We were always in the mushy middle. The only plan he had was Pricer stop the puck. And then he blew up the defense so badly that even that didn’t work anymore.

Got awful GM.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Best way to describe MB’s tenure.
 
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