HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: 2024-2025 season

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's not silly, and I was one who was trying to talk people off the ledge about DR. DR was #6 for me. Michkov is just a different class of player, always has been, always will be.

The guy’s awesome. We missed out on a great player. That part of the equation is true.

All I’m saying is we wait to see what RB can do before writhing this off as a disaster and calling for people’s heads. It is silly to call for firings when we haven’t even seen what this guy can do.

 

[NotProkofievian]

The guy’s awesome. We missed out on a great player. That part of the equation is true.

All I’m saying is we wait to see what RB can do before writhing this off as a disaster and calling for people’s heads. It is silly to call for firings when we haven’t even seen what this guy can do.

I dunno about firing anyone over it, but we didn't get the best player. No shot. Still pulling for DR though.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Terrible mistake to not draft Michkov.

York vs Caufield, inverted.

No sugar coating it. No “wait and see”. If it was even close, the Habs’ biggest need wouldn’t (still) be RD.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Big guys like Kovacevic usually have good plus/minus. I was mystified when trade announced. Low contract, character guy. I was like, what the hell?

Most goals are scored from east-west passes. Big guys like him take away some of passing lanes and make less time and space down low. Harder for finesse forwards to score. I think Hughes didn't know. If only he read this board? I put it on here several times.

It was a mistake to trade him and yesterday’s game against Washington is a good example as we probably end up winning if he’s in the lineup.
But what do I know, I am only a guy on the internet and they are the one with 25+ years career, Same old boys club!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Odd occurence, I still don't see the stats on NHL.com updated from last night's game.

 

[JianYang]

The guy’s awesome. We missed out on a great player. That part of the equation is true.

All I’m saying is we wait to see what RB can do before writhing this off as a disaster and calling for people’s heads. It is silly to call for firings when we haven’t even seen what this guy can do.

Yeah, firing someone over the one pick screams emo move, and it's a silly way to go about it.

Hugo's work has to be looked at in totality. Some picks will miss, others will hit and that is inevitable, but they have to build something competitive over the long haul within a specified time frame that is internally known.

That will and ought to be the deciding factor on their fate.

Retrospectively, I don't think any wings fans are lamenting that they took Keith primeau over jagr. Why? Because they were arguably the best team of the 90s. And no, that doesn't mean I think michkov is jagr. I'm just trying to make a point.

Even the nordiques/avs and flyers passed on jagr, but again, you just didn't hear fans lamenting about that either because the avs were one of the powerhouses of the 90s and the flyers were also good.

I think if the Habs can get to that level with the current regime, you keep on trucking with the current regime because they will have executed the vision. I don't care who they pick as long as they get there within a reasonable time frame.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We do NOT know whether Reinbacher was a bad choice. We won't know until he returns from injury and plays a year or 2. And evaluation now is garbage.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Terrible mistake to not draft Michkov.

York vs Caufield, inverted.

No sugar coating it. No “wait and see”. If it was even close, the Habs’ biggest need wouldn’t (still) be RD.

We only have one variable in the equation. Michkov very clearly looks great. So from that perspective I don’t see how anyone can argue that we didn’t miss out on a star. I don’t think we need to wait on that.

But again, it’s only one variable. The guy we’ve taken hasn’t shown what we can do yet.

As for RD being our biggest need, if that’s true I’d say in large part it’s due to us taking Demidov. The hole that Michkov would’ve filled is instead filled by him.

 

[salbutera]

I guess legendary 2003 draft class did not provide any lessons learned about jumping the gun:

- D+3: Eric Staal was the clear best player
- D+5: Mike Richards / Jeff Carter
- D+8: Getzlaf / Perry / Weber
- Looking back now: Bergeron / Pavelski were the cream of the 2003 draft class

 

[Whitesnake]

How is it inexcusable? We haven’t seen the guy play yet.

Great that Mich is playing awesome hockey. And fone for us to wish we had him. But we haven’t even seen what we’ve drafted yet. I’m not going to listen to people say we’ve made a mistake when our player hasn’t shown what he can do.

And again, for me, it's a mistake if you don't draft the same value. So it comes down to your evaluations of Reinbacher and predicitions to where his game is going to go. See, it's not about what he does or doesn't do now. It's still going back to how I evaluated him in his draft year. Never thought he'd be anything special. But really reliable. A really potent 7-12 draft pick depending of who was still there.

Just not a match for who I evaluated was the 2nd overall best player in the whole draft. IN MY OPINION, it's inexcusable. NOW. Based on that. Now, if Reinbacher shows us he's a top 2 d-man playing good PK and PP.....well I will be wrong. No matter what Michkov does. But, in my opinion, I doubt it very much.

 

[Whitesnake]

Terrible mistake to not draft Michkov.

York vs Caufield, inverted.

No sugar coating it. No “wait and see”. If it was even close, the Habs’ biggest need wouldn’t (still) be RD.

Playing devil's advocate here since people all know my take on the subject...lol....but RD still being a need is mostly because some are counting out Reinbacher for not playing...which makes no sense.

Thing is, I will never understand how you can't find a RD later on a draft. I mean...tons of them do. And also....why do we put so much attention to that specific position? Where is the proof that you need them MORE than any other position? Who are the RD that leads in points right now? Makar, Pionk, Hamilton, Bouchard, Fox, Carlson, Montour, Weegar, Clarke, Andersson, Pietrangelo, Faber, Parekyko, Severson, Dobson.....

First, there are exceptionals in there chosen top 5. True. But most are either not THAT special....and/or were chose after the 1st round. Now, do that for any other position. Even LD. LD's are much better as a group. And don't even go wingers and C's.

Somehow RD is crucial enough to forget a Michkov...but Mesar was so much crucial to us that you don't pick Lamoureux? Chesley? Havelid? Warren? Casey, Kyrou? Luneau?

What are ALL THOSE don't have to think Mesar was SO FAR ahead of all those RD....that Michkov DIDN'T have so that it made Reinbacher the go-to guy here?

 

[Ozmodiar]

Playing devil's advocate here since people all know my take on the subject...lol....but RD still being a need is mostly because some are counting out Reinbacher for not playing...which makes no sense.

Thing is, I will never understand how you can't find a RD later on a draft. I mean...tons of them do. And also....why do we put so much attention to that specific position? Where is the proof that you need them MORE than any other position? Who are the RD that leads in points right now? Makar, Pionk, Hamilton, Bouchard, Fox, Carlson, Montour, Weegar, Clarke, Andersson, Pietrangelo, Faber, Parekyko, Severson, Dobson.....

First, there are exceptionals in there chosen top 5. True. But most are either not THAT special....and/or were chose after the 1st round. Now, do that for any other position. Even LD. LD's are much better as a group. And don't even go wingers and C's.

Somehow RD is crucial enough to forget a Michkov...but Mesar was so much crucial to us that you don't pick Lamoureux? Chesley? Havelid? Warren? Casey, Kyrou? Luneau?

What are ALL THOSE don't have to think Mesar was SO FAR ahead of all those RD....that Michkov DIDN'T have so that it made Reinbacher the go-to guy here?

You’d take DR over Michkov?
I don’t know your take on the subject.

 

[Ezpz]

Playing devil's advocate here since people all know my take on the subject...lol....but RD still being a need is mostly because some are counting out Reinbacher for not playing...which makes no sense.

Thing is, I will never understand how you can't find a RD later on a draft. I mean...tons of them do. And also....why do we put so much attention to that specific position? Where is the proof that you need them MORE than any other position? Who are the RD that leads in points right now? Makar, Pionk, Hamilton, Bouchard, Fox, Carlson, Montour, Weegar, Clarke, Andersson, Pietrangelo, Faber, Parekyko, Severson, Dobson.....

First, there are exceptionals in there chosen top 5. True. But most are either not THAT special....and/or were chose after the 1st round. Now, do that for any other position. Even LD. LD's are much better as a group. And don't even go wingers and C's.

Somehow RD is crucial enough to forget a Michkov...but Mesar was so much crucial to us that you don't pick Lamoureux? Chesley? Havelid? Warren? Casey, Kyrou? Luneau?

What are ALL THOSE don't have to think Mesar was SO FAR ahead of all those RD....that Michkov DIDN'T have so that it made Reinbacher the go-to guy here?

The most recent RD taking the league by storm is Brock faber. Taken 45th and traded as a secondary piece for fiala. Yeah the best dman in a draft is rarely taken top ten. But our scouts suck enough that we rarely get that benefit.

I guess we shouldn't complain getting subban and Hutson in the second round.

Mesar was just not the pick. Luckily it didn't block us from our next two picks.

 

[Whitesnake]

You’d take DR over Michkov?
I don’t know your take on the subject.

lol. Nah, being a big fan of Michkov since day one. To me, he was the 2nd best overall prospect. Ahead of Fantilli and Carlsson.

 

[Tyson]

The most recent RD taking the league by storm is Brock faber. Taken 45th and traded as a secondary piece for fiala. Yeah the best dman in a draft is rarely taken top ten. But our scouts suck enough that we rarely get that benefit.

I guess we shouldn't complain getting subban and Hutson in the second round.

Mesar was just not the pick. Luckily it didn't block us from our next two picks.

While it's still too early to tell they did draft Slaf, Beck, Hutson, Engstrom all in the same draft. They don't deserve criticism yet.

 

[Whitesnake]

The most recent RD taking the league by storm is Brock faber. Taken 45th and traded as a secondary piece for fiala. Yeah the best dman in a draft is rarely taken top ten. But our scouts suck enough that we rarely get that benefit.

I guess we shouldn't complain getting subban and Hutson in the second round.

Mesar was just not the pick. Luckily it didn't block us from our next two picks.

And again, picking Mesar is not the problem IF the team comes out and say he was our BPA. Bar none. It might be wrong evaluation when all is said and done but I prefer being wrong on BPA than being wrong on position. My issue is this...I think that the whole BPA vs needs is a strategy that should be applied everytime. At one point, a RD will be better than any other player. You don't have to force it. And if anything, if you somehow really have to go needs, use the 2nd round. You will rarely miss a top end talent. And d-men takes longer to develop hence why you have so many top end 2nd round d-men.

You go D top 5 if you are sure that you are picking a D with exceptional qualities that could CLEARLY be a real 2-way player for you. And when I say 2 way, it's not GREAT defensively while making a good 1st pass.....it's PK and PP probabilities. Maybe not PP1 and PK1 but in the mix.

My take. Not THE take. Just mine.

While it's still too early to tell they did draft Slaf, Beck, Hutson, Engstrom all in the same draft. They don't deserve criticism yet.

It is looking better than a whole lot of drafts. Hutson will be a top end player. Frankly, it remains to be seen about the others.

We are at a stage where we need more quality than quantity. The only thing left as far as our quantity is concerned is being able to send a lot of players to get a more significant one. That's where quantity is important.

 

[xposbrad]

Every prospect ranking after the draft had Michkov top 5 and DR somewhere in the 20s range, probably even higher now. Before the draft everyone was hesitant on how long he would take to get here (as if we were going for the cup in the first 3 years loll) so we could have waited. It was a major f up, just think of where we'd be with him in the lineup. Slaf sucking wouldn't sting as much, and we'd have our top line set. Could have even traded Slaf like a Cutter type deal.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Can we stop with the Michkov talk now? Shane Wright scored again

 

[habdynasty]

What a game at MSG.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Trump huge.mp4

Can the Habs get McCarron back, or no... ?

 

[Redux91]

My* prevailing belief is that Kent Hughes got bullied and had his lunch ate by a teenager who doesn't even speak English. Oh my God, we're doomed.

Get it right

This is what you believe
Which as per usual, laughable

 

[Ozmodiar]

lol. Nah, being a big fan of Michkov since day one. To me, he was the 2nd best overall prospect. Ahead of Fantilli and Carlsson.

Yeah, the only reason not to take him would have been concerns about him coming over and / or adjusting to the NA game. Some mentioned rink size, but he played on NHL sized rinks over there. None of that mattered and we’re seeing his game translate using skill that compares to Bedard.

On the flip side, you have DR. Was not projected to be a #1 D. not even by HuGo. He sits on the sideline with a major knee injury. He hadn’t really progressed, even before the injury, and we add a setback.

Not saying DR is a bust, but only one of these 2 will be a star in this league.

Top 5 pick? Take talent, kiddos.

 

[vokiel]

Can we stop with the Michkov talk now? Shane Wright scored again

He's close to be PPG in his last 5 games. It seems to be his graduation season.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Can the Habs get McCarron back, or no... ?

If that means they don't rush Beck I'm all for it.

What a game at MSG.

Looks like Trouba was not the problem.

He's close to be PPG in his last 5 games. It seems to be his graduation season.

Playing with skilled guys instead of Ryan Winterton, Drew Shore and that car tire guy will do that. Same story with Lafreniere. And Slaf.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yeah, the only reason not to take him would have been concerns about him coming over and / or adjusting to the NA game. Some mentioned rink size, but he played on NHL sized rinks over there. None of that mattered and we’re seeing his game translate using skill that compares to Bedard.

On the flip side, you have DR. Was not projected to be a #1 D. not even by HuGo. He sits on the sideline with a major knee injury. He hadn’t really progressed, even before the injury, and we add a setback.

Not saying DR is a bust, but only one of these 2 will be a star in this league.

Top 5 pick? Take talent, kiddos.

IMO that is wrong. If they were concerned about the 3 year contract it was because Michkov said he would refuse to report. Other than that there is size and character and that rd is far more difficult to get and more important than a winger. Reinbacher WAS improving before the injury. We'll know if they put too much emphasis or were wrong on character when we see how Wright- Slaf and Michkov-Reinbacher turn out.