Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread

[OMG67]

Peterborough has to do it this year as they have always been saying and promising next year.

North Bay, I am not that sure of. They, like the 67's have not really been known for the big trades.

Ottawa needs to go after either Pinelli in Kitchener or Morrison in Hamilton. Either one would be a massive addition.

A solid defenceman that can play a steadying influence would be nice. In order to win in the playoffs, you need 3 lines that can score and 4 defencemen that are not afraid to use their body and shut down the other team.

The question that Boyd has to look at is based on where they think these D corps are and where will they be at the end of the season.

Also, what is the price that they would have to pay, and is the ROI worth it?

We have a lot of young talent that is starting to come together. reading and listening I am getting very impressed with Barlas he has proven that he does have the parts and was a worthy draft pick.

I really don’t think there is anything wrong with the defence. It is not like they need to replace anyone weak. You just know that someone is going to get injured in the playoffs on the back end. To me, that is why I add a D-Man that can control the play whether it be through size or skill and puck movement.

Forward? I agree.

ROI Is never good at the deadline unless you go small and hit big and get lucky. The only real question is whether you are willing to trade Marrelli or not. That’s pretty much it. If you trade picks, you can get them back next year, so not a big deal. It’s much harder to get a highly respected late first rounder back.

They also have some depth 17 year olds that all are capable in this league. Would they be willing to part with one or two of Dever, Quick or Ewles? Would they be willing to cut deeper and part with Foster or Barlas?

They have a heck of a lot of depth to trade from whether it be a first rounder that may be expendable to a stable of solid 17 year olds that could be expendable to a cupboard stocked full of draft picks. They are loaded with everything. No sense hoarding it but as you say, no sense jsut throwing it all away frivolously either.

 

[analyser]

Back to earth boys lol... What a comical second period, the turning point was that 2 man kill to start the second, gave erie life.

I totally agree they were very lifeless and showed no urgency with the situation handed them. This game will give them something to think about on the way home.

 

[7D442]

Peterborough has to do it this year as they have always been saying and promising next year.

North Bay, I am not that sure of. They, like the 67's have not really been known for the big trades.

Ottawa needs to go after either Pinelli in Kitchener or Morrison in Hamilton. Either one would be a massive addition.

A solid defenceman that can play a steadying influence would be nice. In order to win in the playoffs, you need 3 lines that can score and 4 defencemen that are not afraid to use their body and shut down the other team.

The question that Boyd has to look at is based on where they think these D corps are and where will they be at the end of the season.

Also, what is the price that they would have to pay, and is the ROI worth it?

We have a lot of young talent that is starting to come together. reading and listening I am getting very impressed with Barlas he has proven that he does have the parts and was a worthy draft pick.

While that was a strange game - could have gone on to be about 10-1 based on the 1st period - your too good not to go for it and it’s harder to win than you think - even in a probable down year for the league ..

Start by adding Wright and get almost 2 years out of a top rated -NHL drafted- scoring Defenceman in Kyrou .. get older , get skill and get more scoring from the backend … 2 -2nds , 3- 3rds and 2 players for him

What will you guys do this year?? - should be interesting …

 

[Generalsupdates]

While that was a strange game - could have gone on to be about 10-1 based on the 1st period - your too good not to go for it and it’s harder to win than you think - even in a probable down year for the league ..

Start by adding Wright and get almost 2 years out of a top rated -NHL drafted- scoring Defenceman in Kyrou .. get older , get skill and get more scoring from the backend … 2 -2nds , 3- 3rds and 2 players for him

What will you guys do this year?? - should be interesting …

Kyrou's in his last year in the OHL

 

[sirius67fan]

I agree. I think Peterborough is the stronger team. The difference is the ability to add. Ottawa has a much stronger ability to add. That is the difference maker. If they don’t add then they are behind for sure. Far too young.

Awful game today. Sloppy and slow. Erie was buzzing in the 2nd and took full advantage. You can’t blame the officiating. Ottawa took penalties that were either careless or lazy plays that resulted in the penalty.

I do have a question though. Are there some Ottawa players sick? Donoso plays all three games this weekend on the road. Mews hasn’t played since he returned form the U-17s. Mayich is out sick. It jsut seemed like a lifeless game for the most part. They managed to get shots in the 3rd but not much of any danger with little gusto on the rebounds.

I think you might have a point that some players might not be 100%. Bug is going through the league ( remember the petes last time). Tolnai/Stonehouse in particular looked off. But hey no excuse they had that game in the palm of their hand and let it go. Kudos to Erie though they owned the # no quits today.

I also agree that as the teams are currently constructed I don't think we get past the petes. You're on the clock James.

 

[sirius67fan]

I really don’t think there is anything wrong with the defence. It is not like they need to replace anyone weak. You just know that someone is going to get injured in the playoffs on the back end. To me, that is why I add a D-Man that can control the play whether it be through size or skill and puck movement.

Forward? I agree.

ROI Is never good at the deadline unless you go small and hit big and get lucky. The only real question is whether you are willing to trade Marrelli or not. That’s pretty much it. If you trade picks, you can get them back next year, so not a big deal. It’s much harder to get a highly respected late first rounder back.

They also have some depth 17 year olds that all are capable in this league. Would they be willing to part with one or two of Dever, Quick or Ewles? Would they be willing to cut deeper and part with Foster or Barlas?

They have a heck of a lot of depth to trade from whether it be a first rounder that may be expendable to a stable of solid 17 year olds that could be expendable to a cupboard stocked full of draft picks. They are loaded with everything. No sense hoarding it but as you say, no sense jsut throwing it all away frivolously either.

After what I saw from Marelli tonight I would not trade him. He was one of the bright spots, looked way more confident/poised than before the U17. I think we have enough assets to acquire what we need without touching him.

Two players really impressed me on Erie...Kyrou as expected and he would certainly had a dimension to our blue line. The other was Torrance...impressive kid.

 

[Robray12]

After what I saw from Marelli tonight I would not trade him. He was one of the bright spots, looked way more confident/poised than before the U17. I think we have enough assets to acquire what we need without touching him.

Two players really impressed me on Erie...Kyrou as expected and he would certainly had a dimension to our blue line. The other was Torrance...impressive kid.

Wonder if Mews is Injured?

I would not trade Marelli or Mews....we need them both in the future and they are both awesome....reminds me of Campbell and Boyton duo

 

[OMG67]

Wonder if Mews is Injured?

I would not trade Marelli or Mews....we need them both in the future and they are both awesome....reminds me of Campbell and Boyton duo

The challenge is teams can’t typically trade like for like to satisfy trade requirements. Typically what happens is the team selling the player provides a set of parameters to work within with respect to what assets they expect back. The higher the value of the player (wanted by multiple teams) the better chance the selling team gets the package parameters met. For example, Kingston could make Shane Wright available but the Parameters are a 2022 1st, three 2nds and three 3rds. Teams would need to meet those parameters to enter discussions. If multiple teams enter those discussions then the parameters are met and the discussions start to move towards how good the 2022 1st is and what draft year the picks are in.

From a buyer side, teams like Ottaw a would target a small handful of players they feel fit into the organization whether it be skill set or perceived instant chemistry as well as whether that particular player brings something to the table the organization doesn’t have.

So, how this all comes together is the Selling team makes the player available and they buying teams meet to discuss Based on the parameters. If the 67’s are unwilling to meet the minimum requirement then they aren’t part of the discussions until such time as the selling team does not have nay team willing to work within their parameters. Then they “may” look to structure a different type of deal.

If the 67’s have targeted 3 players they’d be willing to look at and they are choosing one, most of the time the parameters for the trade requirement would narrow down the field right away. If two of those proposed deals require their 2022 1st and Ottawa isn’t willing to go down that OA’s they can either shift to the third player or they can wait it out to see if the demands change.

Because the selling teams that want 2022 1st rounders in return can’t do that until January 1st, the 67’s may very well be waiting on that market to fully be exposed To see if the demands shift because of zero interest Based on the requirement of a 2022 1st.

So, if Ottawa is unwilling to trade Marrelli and each of the targeted players Ottawa wants require the inclusion of the 2022 1st, then Ottaw a wouldn’t make a trade at all unless they settled for an alternate player not on their desired list. I don’t think that is the case here. I think onlyShane Wright is in the 2022 1st category for the 19 year olds (if he becomes available) And assuming that’s what Kingston wants.

 

[sirius67fan]

Wonder if Mews is Injured?

I would not trade Marelli or Mews....we need them both in the future and they are both awesome....reminds me of Campbell and Boyton duo

Love that comparison. Hopefully things work out as well with these two.

 

[sirius67fan]

As for Shane Wright as I do believe he's going back to the O at some point, I would pass for a few reasons. One would be the cost, I am not willing to sacrifice Marelli, 3 seconds and three thirds. With those six picks we can probably fill out our lineup quite nicely with two or three players. Second although I concede he's a very talented player I'm not sure his style fits us. He's very good when his team has the puck and actually decent in his zone. However our team is built on speed/puck retrieval and that's not his forte imo. Third I worry about our team chemistry. Don't know if the whispers about him are true or not but a major strenght of our team is the chemistry and I would not take any chances of messing that up.

 

[OMG67]

As for Shane Wright as I do believe he's going back to the O at some point, I would pass for a few reasons. One would be the cost, I am not willing to sacrifice Marelli, 3 seconds and three thirds. With those six picks we can probably fill out our lineup quite nicely with two or three players. Second although I concede he's a very talented player I'm not sure his style fits us. He's very good when his team has the puck and actually decent in his zone. However our team is built on speed/puck retrieval and that's not his forte imo. Third I worry about our team chemistry. Don't know if the whispers about him are true or not but a major strenght of our team is the chemistry and I would not take any chances of messing that up.

1> He has made no bones about not wanting to return to the OHL. You want a player to have a sense of unfinished business as a motivator. I don’t think he has that
2> What is the difference between a player like Morrison and a player like Wright? Morrison scored 39 points in 19 games last year in the playoffs (17 goals). Wright scored 14 points in 11 games (3 goals). Even if Wright was mismanaged in Kingston, I still think Morrison is the better OHL player or at worse he is on par with Wright. The cost for Morrison would be exponentially cheaper.
3> What if the whispers are true about his attitude? Personally, I don’t think they are true. I think he probably has a good beef with Kingston and as long as he isn’t in Kingston, he will be happy. BUT, what if the 67’s use him the same way Kingston did? What if on Ottawa he isn’t the top dog? Will his nose get out of joint? Is it worth the risk for Ottawa when other players may be available that may not be as good but may be similarly effective?

I HATE HATE HATE trading the 1st round pick in any deal unless the 1st rounder looks like a complete bomb like David Perklin was leading up to the McFarland trade. Ottawa has so many other expendable assets that can be used to acquire other players that will compliment this roster and give it more experience. Go that route. Draft picks are easily returned by making a seller trade in the future. You need to trade a special player to get a rookie 1st rounder back.

Besides, I think Dirty is bang on that Kingston may want 18 year olds in return that will impact their roster next year int heir Memorial Cup Host bid. I’m not sure I want to trade the types of players that fit that need. Gerrior, Mayich, Smyth, Sirman, and MacKenzie come to mind in that sort of deal. We need those players now ourselves.

 

[beastintheeast]

1> He has made no bones about not wanting to return to the OHL. You want a player to have a sense of unfinished business as a motivator. I don’t think he has that
2> What is the difference between a player like Morrison and a player like Wright? Morrison scored 39 points in 19 games last year in the playoffs (17 goals). Wright scored 14 points in 11 games (3 goals). Even if Wright was mismanaged in Kingston, I still think Morrison is the better OHL player or at worse he is on par with Wright. The cost for Morrison would be exponentially cheaper.
3> What if the whispers are true about his attitude? Personally, I don’t think they are true. I think he probably has a good beef with Kingston and as long as he isn’t in Kingston, he will be happy. BUT, what if the 67’s use him the same way Kingston did? What if on Ottawa he isn’t the top dog? Will his nose get out of joint? Is it worth the risk for Ottawa when other players may be available that may not be as good but may be similarly effective?

I HATE HATE HATE trading the 1st round pick in any deal unless the 1st rounder looks like a complete bomb like David Perklin was leading up to the McFarland trade. Ottawa has so many other expendable assets that can be used to acquire other players that will compliment this roster and give it more experience. Go that route. Draft picks are easily returned by making a seller trade in the future. You need to trade a special player to get a rookie 1st rounder back.

Besides, I think Dirty is bang on that Kingston may want 18 year olds in return that will impact their roster next year int heir Memorial Cup Host bid. I’m not sure I want to trade the types of players that fit that need. Gerrior, Mayich, Smyth, Sirman, and MacKenzie come to mind in that sort of deal. We need those players now ourselves.

Scarey thought but I agree

Francis was on the MCCown podcast today and said that their plan is for him to play the limit in the AHL and come back show if he has gotten better and then they will decide on if he goes to the WJC.

I think the problem that Kraken and Wright have is good in that the team is exceeding expectations. No one expected them to be at the top of the conference. This means that you have to ice the best team every night and at this stage, Wright is not the best 4th line player.

I have to wonder if he would come back with the Lindros attitude that Brett had.

Given that and the asking price as well as the fact that we would be stocking our competition next year, I think that he is not worth the effort.
IF he comes back it is going to throw the deadline offers into a bit of a flux with teams trying to get him.

The best thing for us is to concentrate on Morrison or Pinelli if either is avail. I think fans and parents would love to see the brothers on the same team. Then depending on what is still out there and what we had to use go for a role player the problem is that we then are going to sit guys that have played well if it is a defenceman

 

[OMG67]

Scarey thought but I agree

Francis was on the MCCown podcast today and said that their plan is for him to play the limit in the AHL and come back show if he has gotten better and then they will decide on if he goes to the WJC.

I think the problem that Kraken and Wright have is good in that the team is exceeding expectations. No one expected them to be at the top of the conference. This means that you have to ice the best team every night and at this stage, Wright is not the best 4th line player.

I have to wonder if he would come back with the Lindros attitude that Brett had.

Given that and the asking price as well as the fact that we would be stocking our competition next year, I think that he is not worth the effort.
IF he comes back it is going to throw the deadline offers into a bit of a flux with teams trying to get him.

The best thing for us is to concentrate on Morrison or Pinelli if either is avail. I think fans and parents would love to see the brothers on the same team. Then depending on what is still out there and what we had to use go for a role player the problem is that we then are going to sit guys that have played well if it is a defenceman

Good point regarding the competitiveness of Seattle right now. Who woulda thunk it? Someone else was mentioning that and I hadNO IDEA Seattle was positioned where they were. I knew they had a bit of a sluggish start but didn’t know they went on a run. It is hard to upset the apple cart in that situation.

I also think that Francis is saying the “right things” but has already made up his mind. I think he is leaving a door open jsut in case but I think the writing is on the wall.

I thought going into the seasons hat Seattle woudl not be inthe situation they are in and they’d have some runway to give Wright this season. They’d teach him what it was like to be a pro, not have any salary cap issues and eating the first year of his contract wasn’t going to be a bid deal. I still don’t think him eating the first year of his contract is a big deal but because of their competitiveness right now, they don’t really have any runway with him.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think for a second that Seattle thinks the OHL is the best place for him. I think they realize the AHL is probably the best spot for his development but it isn’t an option.

I think they will send him To the WJHC and if Seattle maintains their position in the standings and remains competitive then they have no choice but to reassign him to Kingston.

Who Ottawa ens up with is inconsequential to what happens to Wright. For all I know, Ottawa is waiting ont he Wright decision. What do I know? I “think” that is the wrong decision and agree that Morrison is probably the best option because of cost and demonstrated ability and performance last year in the playoffs. I think he is the closest to a sure thing out there to be honest.

I’m not sold on Franky Pinelli. Not because of his ability but because of his price tag. I do think he will be pricey if he becomes available. He’d have to demand a trade to Ottawa for Ottawa to get him at a decent price. I don’t see that happening. Honestly, I doubt they sell. I think they feel they have some runway before the playoffs to get it together and if they do get it together, it doesn’t matter what position they finish in.

 

[beastintheeast]

Looking at the week-to-week of Beck, I am wondering if you are Boyd are you looking for a LW to shore up the team? That might change the priority a little for the team as LW could be our problem in a playoffs

 

[beastintheeast]

Good point regarding the competitiveness of Seattle right now. Who woulda thunk it? Someone else was mentioning that and I hadNO IDEA Seattle was positioned where they were. I knew they had a bit of a sluggish start but didn’t know they went on a run. It is hard to upset the apple cart in that situation.

I also think that Francis is saying the “right things” but has already made up his mind. I think he is leaving a door open jsut in case but I think the writing is on the wall.

I thought going into the seasons hat Seattle woudl not be inthe situation they are in and they’d have some runway to give Wright this season. They’d teach him what it was like to be a pro, not have any salary cap issues and eating the first year of his contract wasn’t going to be a bid deal. I still don’t think him eating the first year of his contract is a big deal but because of their competitiveness right now, they don’t really have any runway with him.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think for a second that Seattle thinks the OHL is the best place for him. I think they realize the AHL is probably the best spot for his development but it isn’t an option.

I think they will send him To the WJHC and if Seattle maintains their position in the standings and remains competitive then they have no choice but to reassign him to Kingston.

Who Ottawa ens up with is inconsequential to what happens to Wright. For all I know, Ottawa is waiting ont he Wright decision. What do I know? I “think” that is the wrong decision and agree that Morrison is probably the best option because of cost and demonstrated ability and performance last year in the playoffs. I think he is the closest to a sure thing out there to be honest.

I’m not sold on Franky Pinelli. Not because of his ability but because of his price tag. I do think he will be pricey if he becomes available. He’d have to demand a trade to Ottawa for Ottawa to get him at a decent price. I don’t see that happening. Honestly, I doubt they sell. I think they feel they have some runway before the playoffs to get it together and if they do get it together, it doesn’t matter what position they finish in.

I think Wright is going to go to the west conf because I do not see anyone in the East wanting to make them better for next year. Personally if Saginaw can make the deal I see him going there

Looking at the players we have and how they are playing we are going to be a very competitive team and possibly also in the hunt to go to the M Cup next year.
We lose 2-3 forwards and 2 D next year the rest of the team should return

 

[Generalsupdates]

I think Wright is going to go to the west conf because I do not see anyone in the East wanting to make them better for next year. Personally if Saginaw can make the deal I see him going there

Looking at the players we have and how they are playing we are going to be a very competitive team and possibly also in the hunt to go to the M Cup next year.
We lose 2-3 forwards and 2 D next year the rest of the team should return

Can't see that mattering. If Peterborough gets Wright, they don't care about next year because they're going to be bad anyways. Same as MISS or NB to a lesser extent. If you're a team going and getting Wright, you only care about this year.

 

[dirty12]

Can't see that mattering. If Peterborough gets Wright, they don't care about next year because they're going to be bad anyways. Same as MISS or NB to a lesser extent. If you're a team going and getting Wright, you only care about this year.

I agree that acquiring Wright will tax any team, but the year depends on the players given up. Petes, NB & Miss potentially have 7 ok to very good and/or all-stars ‘04 born; and, all have internal OA options. If no ‘04 are traded and no early graduations, I think Miss & NB re-tool 2024-25.
The league shut down and subsequent halt of player movement still affects teams. Several are still loaded with the two birth years 2003-04.

 

[Robray12]

After reading all these great points about trades and Wright....I would only trade now using our picks. I would not want to part with any of our players....we will be better next year with the young players Improving so much from this year.
I say get a top forward and offensive d....and let's try our best with what we have on this team.

 

[HockeyPops]

What is the injury history with Jack Beck? I just noticed he only played 36 games last year. I was assuming Calgary will sign him early March without thinking twice, but might there be any concern in their camp about his ability to stay healthy?

 

[OMG67]

After reading all these great points about trades and Wright....I would only trade now using our picks. I would not want to part with any of our players....we will be better next year with the young players Improving so much from this year.
I say get a top forward and offensive d....and let's try our best with what we have on this team.

I think everyone would agree that we should fill our OA spot first. That is likely at a cost of draft picks only. After that it will simply be a risk/reward situation.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

It would be tough for the fanbase to see Ottawa - with an 18-2 record - pass on Wright, or Morrison, or Pinelli, and see Peterborough or North Bay improve their team (in the short-term) for a run at the Memorial Cup this year. That would be a kick in the nuts for a lot of fans, so to speak, including myself. While I acknowledge we don't want to empty the cupboard and, in theory, Ottawa looks strong for next year, that is no sure thing with injuries, disrupted team chemistry due to key players moving on, etc.

I'm OK with Boyd passing on Wright (though I would hate hate hate to see him go to Peterborough), but at the very least I want to see Morrison in a 67s jersey by the middle of January. Morrison was a frontline player for a Memorial Cup championship team, and would allow (i) Tolnai to "move down" a spot in the depth chart, and (ii) Vinz to move back to his natural RW spot. Picking up a LW would be nice too, given Beck's ongoing injury issues. The Gardiner/Gerrior/Barlas line could stay intact, and Foster (who I think has been playing really well in the top-6 during Beck's absence) could shore-up the 4th line. Some combination of Foster, Dever, Kelly, Barlas and Gerrior would be a very good 4th line if we do end up picking up that second forward (LW).

 

[ecraigs]

I totally agree they were very lifeless and showed no urgency with the situation handed them. This game will give them something to think about on the way home.

I am very disappointed. First, I had to trade in my 68-0 banner, and now, apparently, the 67-1 banner is outdated. This is getting expensive.

They certainly seemed to lack spark. The flu in Ottawa minor hockey is running rampant. The 67s do practices with local teams and that can be risky. Some minor teams are reporting 50% sick outs.

 

[analyser]

I agree with the overall consensus that Morrison should be our #1 target. Wright does not really impress me and the cost will be too ridiculous. Morrison on the other hand seems to have an impact on every game I have seen him play.

Hopefully we can also manage to acquire an offensive D as well. Their are some options but at what cost and who will be available.

As of right now we can look at Beck as being an added bonus but with concussion issues you never know the outcome. Too bad but the reality is it is hard to pencil him in as an impact player when he is so prone to injury..

 

[dirty12]

The ‘67s cannot allow Wright to the Petes. There is just no answer for Othman-Wright …Stillman
would not even have to waste any of their 20-25 min/g on special teams; Avon, Robertson, Lardis, & Lockhart got that.

 

[BarberPole9]

The ‘67s cannot allow Wright to the Petes. There is just no answer for Othman-Wright …Stillman
would not even have to waste any of their 20-25 min/g on special teams; Avon, Robertson, Lardis, & Lockhart got that.

I’d take Morrison over Wright as well at this point. If Ottawa adds Morrison, Mintyukov and another 19 year old impact player I’d take them over anybody.

The cost for Morrison and Mintyukov would likely be the same or less than it would be for Wright alone.