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dirty12 said:
The ‘67s cannot allow Wright to the Petes. There is just no answer for Othman-Wright …Stillman
would not even have to waste any of their 20-25 min/g on special teams; Avon, Robertson, Lardis, & Lockhart got that.
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I find it interesting that Cameron and Boyd passed on Othmann (at least, that is what the rumour is). Cameron would have coached Othmann as the August World Junior tournament...if the rumours are true, the fact that Ottawa didn't even bother to put a bid in for one of the better wingers in the OHL (particularly with Beck out) must say a lot about his character.
 
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The ‘67s cannot allow Wright to the Petes. There is just no answer for Othman-Wright …Stillman
would not even have to waste any of their 20-25 min/g on special teams; Avon, Robertson, Lardis, & Lockhart got that.
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The 67’s cannot control the market. If the 67’s get Wright and the Petes get Morrison, I really don’t think there is a difference either way. The two of them cancel each other out. and if you don’t believe that to be true, then fine but they are at minimum in the same ballpark to a point that it is inconsequential.

My personal opinion is Logan Morrison is more valuable to Ottawa than Wright. Whether he is more valuable to Peterborough than Wright, I cannot say.

At the end of the day, this may come down to an arms race. It looks like the Petes can comfortably add one more player. The shoulders on the player will come down to what they are comfortable parting with. Adding a significant second player may be difficult without trading key roster players.

Ottawa can add five impact 19 year olds with relative ease. They could get Wright, Mintyukov and Morrison (assuming all are available for trade of course) and out pay everyone in the process. They won’t but they could. This is why I think it is really important for Ottawa to make moves early. If they make two or three moves early, it may impact the moves Peterborough and North Bay make. Those teams would then have to assess whether they are even able to keep up in that arms race. One of them may back away and remain status quo and hope for the best.
 
Morrison probably is the more prolific OHL point producer at this time. If you believe that makes them at least equal, ‘fine’ :)
But Othman-Wright, will not be matched.

Mintyukov & Morrison likely costs more than Wright & one of Roger/Keane/White
 
Just so everyone knows what Ottawa has available to them to trade if they chose to use the assets:

Picks:
2nds - 7
3rds - 9
4ths - 6
5ths - 5

Players
16 year olds:
2022 1st - Mews
2022 1st - Marrelli

17 year olds:
F - Foster - 17 points (2nd rnd)
C - Gardiner - 15 points (3rd rnd)
F - Barlas - 8 points (1st rnd)
F - Dever - 7 points (4th rnd)
F - Quick - 2 points (4th rnd)
D - Ewles - 1 point (5th rnd)

18 year olds:
D - Sirman - 11 points (3rd rnd)
D - Mayich - 3 points (4th rnd)
D - Smyth - 6 points (11th rnd)
F - Gerrior - 9 points (9th rnd)
G - MAcKenzie - 1.59/.936 (8th rnd)

I left out players that cannot be reasonably upgraded like Stonehouse (18) and Pinelli (17).

If you look at some of the trades so far, we are seeing 18 year olds being traded in these deals because the teams like Saginaw want to contend next year. We may see the same with Kingston in a Wright deal. So we need to consider the 67’s may need to trade a player like Sirman in a Mintyukov trade because Saginaw is bidding for a Memorial Cup and to them, even though he is a year older, Sirman would potentially be more valuable than even Marrelli from a strategic perspective.

If we look at what Guelph did in 2019, they traded some players fromt he top of their roster to totally change the impact of their roster. They made what we would consider shocking moves. They traded Merkley and Bertuzzi as part of their reshuffle. That would be like us trading Gardiner/Foster and Matier (assuming Matier had a horrible attitude).

So, this is only to show the length of assets Ottawa has at their disposal should they consider making any serious deals. They may just use picks and they may toss in a player like Dever or Quick to make a deal work but they could also cut deep and use a player like Sirman in a blockbuster for Mintyukov. So, for those of you that seem to want players like Mintyukov, you need to accept that that type of deal will be painful in some ways.
 
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dirty12 said:
Morrison probably is the more prolific OHL point producer at this time. If you believe that makes them at least equal, ‘fine’ :)
But Othman-Wright, will not be matched.

Mintyukov & Morrison likely costs more than Wright & one of Roger/Keane/White
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Othmann and Wright can be matched in the aggregate.
- Billy Beane

Ottawa‘s strength is depth top to bottom of lineup. Wright and Othman will outscore Ottawa’s top line but Ottawa will let less pucks in their net as a team and will have players on their 3rd line (post deadline) that score at a point per game pace or close to it.

To me this will all end up coming down to experience and sheer will to win. I question Ottawa’s ability with respect to experience but they have demonstrated a significant level of will to win. If they can add the experience component without disrupting the will to win, I think they can be the best team in the league. It will require sacrifice through trades though and I am not convinced Boyd is willing to do it. Only time will tell.

Boyd has demonstrated the will to go and get the best OA ont he market and pay the price (Maksimovich) and then augment that if it looks like there is a bargain (Chiodo). But his lack of moves in 2020 suggest he isn’t sold on taking part in an arms race. This is why I think he will target an OA dn pay more than everyone else to get him. Then he will see if there is a bargain. If no bargains are available, he will step away fromt he deadline and be happy adding an OA. That seems to be his M.O.
 
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OMG67 said:
Othmann and Wright can be matched in the aggregate.
- Billy Beane

Ottawa‘s strength is depth top to bottom of lineup. Wright and Othman will outscore Ottawa’s top line but Ottawa will let less pucks in their net as a team and will have players on their 3rd line (post deadline) that score at a point per game pace or close to it.

To me this will all end up coming down to experience and sheer will to win. I question Ottawa’s ability with respect to experience but they have demonstrated a significant level of will to win. If they can add the experience component without disrupting the will to win, I think they can be the best team in the league. It will require sacrifice through trades though and I am not convinced Boyd is willing to do it. Only time will tell.

Boyd has demonstrated the will to go and get the best OA ont he market and pay the price (Maksimovich) and then augment that if it looks like there is a bargain (Chiodo). But his lack of moves in 2020 suggest he isn’t sold on taking part in an arms race. This is why I think he will target an OA dn pay more than everyone else to get him. Then he will see if there is a bargain. If no bargains are available, he will step away fromt he deadline and be happy adding an OA. That seems to be his M.O.
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Remind me again how many Championships Billy Beane has won? he's had success in doing what he does, it's not winning Championships.

Ottawa has lots of depth, in the form of 17/18 yo. These players have demonstrated they will outwork and perform other 3/4th line players and even the 2nd line on the weaker teams. The challenge is when they get into the playoffs and teams have loaded up, their 3rd lines are more like regular season 2nd lines and often these teams have a 1A & 1B versus a 1 and 2.

Whether it be an OA or 19 yo, it needs to be the top players, Maksimovich and Chiodo were good OA forwards but not the best players available that year - Suzuki had 10pts and Durzi 7pts in the final four games of that series versus Maks' 2 and Chiodo's 4. Ottawa paid the price that year for falling in love with the aggregate and being cheap on the trade front.

The other fundamental flaw they didn't address that year was the physicality, Guelph man handled the 67's in the finals. This years 67's team plays with intensity but is not gifted with size, teams like Peterborough, NB and Missy have an advantage in that area. It doesn't show up as much in season but in a playoff series where the teams play 7 games head-to-head in 12 days it becomes a factor.

If Wright or Mintyukov is available they need to make a strong play on those players, Winterton, Harrison, Arcuri and Zhilkin are players I see flying under the radar. Morrison is a deadline deal the team does once they have covered their basis on the other top players - the market of teams with OA space willing to deal is pretty small. Flint wanted a D in return for Othman or the deal wasn't happening, Ottawa didn't have one to give up, which demonstrates where the D group beyond Matier sits on a player-to-player comparison around the league.

Boyd should have learned from the 2019 experience; sticking to the M.O. would be more of an organizational directive which we are all too familiar with. I expect there to be deals, I expect them to experience some adversity when they happen but be better for it in the long run.
 
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PuckStop75 said:
Remind me again how many Championships Billy Beane has won? he's had success in doing what he does, it's not winning Championships.

Ottawa has lots of depth, in the form of 17/18 yo. These players have demonstrated they will outwork and perform other 3/4th line players and even the 2nd line on the weaker teams. The challenge is when they get into the playoffs and teams have loaded up, their 3rd lines are more like regular season 2nd lines and often these teams have a 1A & 1B versus a 1 and 2.

Whether it be an OA or 19 yo, it needs to be the top players, Maksimovich and Chiodo were good OA forwards but not the best players available that year - Suzuki had 10pts and Durzi 7pts in the final four games of that series versus Maks' 2 and Chiodo's 4. Ottawa paid the price that year for falling in love with the aggregate and being cheap on the trade front.

The other fundamental flaw they didn't address that year was the physicality, Guelph man handled the 67's in the finals. This years 67's team plays with intensity but is not gifted with size, teams like Peterborough, NB and Missy have an advantage in that area. It doesn't show up as much in season but in a playoff series where the teams play 7 games head-to-head in 12 days it becomes a factor.

If Wright or Mintyukov is available they need to make a strong play on those players, Winterton, Harrison, Arcuri and Zhilkin are players I see flying under the radar. Morrison is a deadline deal the team does once they have covered their basis on the other top players - the market of teams with OA space willing to deal is pretty small. Flint wanted a D in return for Othman or the deal wasn't happening, Ottawa didn't have one to give up, which demonstrates where the D group beyond Matier sits on a player-to-player comparison around the league.

Boyd should have learned from the 2019 experience; sticking to the M.O. would be more of an organizational directive which we are all too familiar with. I expect there to be deals, I expect them to experience some adversity when they happen but be better for it in the long run.
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From a forward perspective, Morrison is the best player available in my mind. Morrison led the Bulldogs in playoff scoring 17 goals and 39 points in 19 games. He won a championship as their leading scorer. He has demonstrated success. That demonstrated success at the OHL level has a significant value to the 67’s.

We can discuss Wright but Wright has been a disappointment compared to expectations. I’ll take Morrison over Wright 100% of the time. He wants to be in the league since he chose to return instead of look at Professional options. Wright may be the better NHL prospect by far but at the OHL Level, Morrison has outperformed him. That’s is no disrespect to Wright. I just think Morrison is that good. Just because he doesn’t project at the NHL level shouldn’t matter. The 67’s aren’t competing at the NHL level.

I think Mintyukov would be a luxury but I have to admit, I would be jumping for joy if they were to get him, even if they traded Marrelli to get him. I just don’t think it will happen. I’d also like one of those under the radar players you pointed to. I think we can acquire one of those guys for one of the lower list 17 year olds and a couple draft picks.

We also need to remember that Guelph added SEVEN elite players at the deadline. Who would have thought any team would do something like that and completely remodel their lineup? I admit that I was extremely disappointed Ottawa didn’t enter the Suzuki deal because he went for relatively little compared to what I would have thought. If they’d have added Suzuki and obvioulsy Guelph wouldn’t have, it would have been a different team winning that championship. So, I agree we need to be more cavalier but I doubt they will.
 
OMG67 said:
Othmann and Wright can be matched in the aggregate.
- Billy Beane

Ottawa‘s strength is depth top to bottom of lineup. Wright and Othman will outscore Ottawa’s top line but Ottawa will let less pucks in their net as a team and will have players on their 3rd line (post deadline) that score at a point per game pace or close to it.
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Playoffs are won by goaltending and 3rd lines. Kingston has shown year after year that having a top power line in the playoffs does not work as the other team just pounds the hell out of them and with the short time to reset the players get too gun shy and sore.

Shane Wright is not the OHL stud that people think. Compared with Morrison (145) wright (160) points wise there is no relative difference. where I think there would be a difference is team leader and desire to play.

I think this points to Morrison who is used to being a steady player that does not need the spotlight.

My choices, and a lot depends on Beck is

Morrison
Pineli
an OA Left wing

I was around for the concussion years of Alyn and it affected the player on the ice.
As to Calgary they will not offer Beck a contract unless he is healthy and if he has had more than one concussion, it is doubtful. Beck to me should be looking at the CIAU and the options that the university packages is.
 
Big game tonight against our closest pursuers. Hopefully we're somewhat healthy, bug going around. I still hope to see Beck soon as that is starting to worry me.
 
OMG67 said:
From a forward perspective, Morrison is the best player available in my mind. Morrison led the Bulldogs in playoff scoring 17 goals and 39 points in 19 games. He won a championship as their leading scorer. He has demonstrated success. That demonstrated success at the OHL level has a significant value to the 67’s.

We can discuss Wright but Wright has been a disappointment compared to expectations. I’ll take Morrison over Wright 100% of the time. He wants to be in the league since he chose to return instead of look at Professional options. Wright may be the better NHL prospect by far but at the OHL Level, Morrison has outperformed him. That’s is no disrespect to Wright. I just think Morrison is that good. Just because he doesn’t project at the NHL level shouldn’t matter. The 67’s aren’t competing at the NHL level.

I think Mintyukov would be a luxury but I have to admit, I would be jumping for joy if they were to get him, even if they traded Marrelli to get him. I just don’t think it will happen. I’d also like one of those under the radar players you pointed to. I think we can acquire one of those guys for one of the lower list 17 year olds and a couple draft picks.

We also need to remember that Guelph added SEVEN elite players at the deadline. Who would have thought any team would do something like that and completely remodel their lineup? I admit that I was extremely disappointed Ottawa didn’t enter the Suzuki deal because he went for relatively little compared to what I would have thought. If they’d have added Suzuki and obvioulsy Guelph wouldn’t have, it would have been a different team winning that championship. So, I agree we need to be more cavalier but I doubt they will.
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Your telling me if Ottawa has Wright, they trade him straight up for Morrison? I don't think you or a GM in the league makes that deal in their drunkest state.

Guelph added Seven elite players largely due to the fact that Ottawa did not protect the market. The situation was very similar to this year, things were uncertain in the West, Ottawa had the best record in the league, held significant share of the draft picks with young players to leverage in trade but didn't participate, which allowed Guelph to get players they shouldn't otherwise have been able to get. The Petes are already part way there by adding Othman... and the subtle juggling of players in the West has already started.

I'm not saying Morrison isn't a worthy add, but if Ottawa think he is the response to a significant move by the other teams they are falling into the same trap they did in 2019.
 
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PuckStop75 said:
Your telling me if Ottawa has Wright, they trade him straight up for Morrison? I don't think you or a GM in the league makes that deal in their drunkest state.

Guelph added Seven elite players largely due to the fact that Ottawa did not protect the market. The situation was very similar to this year, things were uncertain in the West, Ottawa had the best record in the league, held significant share of the draft picks with young players to leverage in trade but didn't participate, which allowed Guelph to get players they shouldn't otherwise have been able to get. The Petes are already part way there by adding Othman... and the subtle juggling of players in the West has already started.

I'm not saying Morrison isn't a worthy add, but if Ottawa think he is the response to a significant move by the other teams they are falling into the same trap they did in 2019.
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No Wright is by far the better player than Morrison and it's really not even close. Could be an argument that Morrison is the better scorer at the junior level, but Wright is a way better overall player
 
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Your telling me if Ottawa has Wright, they trade him straight up for Morrison? I don't think you or a GM in the league makes that deal in their drunkest state.

Guelph added Seven elite players largely due to the fact that Ottawa did not protect the market. The situation was very similar to this year, things were uncertain in the West, Ottawa had the best record in the league, held significant share of the draft picks with young players to leverage in trade but didn't participate, which allowed Guelph to get players they shouldn't otherwise have been able to get. The Petes are already part way there by adding Othman... and the subtle juggling of players in the West has already started.

I'm not saying Morrison isn't a worthy add, but if Ottawa think he is the response to a significant move by the other teams they are falling into the same trap they did in 2019.
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There are multiple reasons to trade for Shane Wright that do not include on ice performance. One main reason is name recognition and marketing. But, the reality is if you are only looking for on ice performance and presence in the room, yes, I believe Logan Morrison adds more benefit to the 67’s than Shane Wright. I say that unwavering.

1> Logan Morrison is 20 year sold with 4 seasons of experience in the OHL
2> HE was the leading scorer on the OHL Champion Hamilton Bulldogs that also had Mason MacTavish centring a different line.
3> Gretzky 99 Trophy winner for the Most Valuable Player in last years playoffs
4> Scored 17 goals in 19 playoff games last year
5> Named the captain for the reigning Champion Hamilton Bulldogs
6> Has played 18 games this year vs Shane Wright and his 50 on ice minutes in Seattle.
7> Logan Morrison chose to return to the OHL for a reason. HE is fighting for a better Pro opportunity and he is hungry to earn it.

Shane Wright will sell more tickets. He doesn’t want to be here. The sooner his year is over in the OHL, the sooner he is back playing Pro hockey. I don’t want a player that doesn’t want to be here and will come down simply to try to make the best of a bad situation.

Morrison wants to win and he has demonstrated the ability to win.

What will it take to acquire said players:

To Ottawa:
Shane Wright

To Kingston:
Frankie Marrelli
three 2nds
three 3rds
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To Ottawa:
Logan Morrison

To Hamilton
two 2nds
three 3rds
Jack Dever
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I’ll take Morrison, thanks. He is the better player to suit Ottawa’s needs. He has the experience that Wright doesn’t have and has demonstrated the ability to lead a team to a championship and be a key contributor if not the most significant contributor. Let’s leave the NHL “Prospects” for the NHL teams to fight over where the players “ceiling” is. I don’t want to pay for Shane Wright’s NHL Ceiling. I want the best player now. Morrison is a better player right now.
 
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OMG67 said:
There are multiple reasons to trade for Shane Wright that do not include on ice performance. One main reason is name recognition and marketing. But, the reality is if you are only looking for on ice performance and presence in the room, yes, I believe Logan Morrison adds more benefit to the 67’s than Shane Wright. I say that unwavering.

1> Logan Morrison is 20 year sold with 4 seasons of experience in the OHL
2> HE was the leading scorer on the OHL Champion Hamilton Bulldogs that also had Mason MacTavish centring a different line.
3> Gretzky 99 Trophy winner for the Most Valuable Player in last years playoffs
4> Scored 17 goals in 19 playoff games last year
5> Named the captain for the reigning Champion Hamilton Bulldogs
6> Has played 18 games this year vs Shane Wright and his 50 on ice minutes in Seattle.
7> Logan Morrison chose to return to the OHL for a reason. HE is fighting for a better Pro opportunity and he is hungry to earn it.

Shane Wright will sell more tickets. He doesn’t want to be here. The sooner his year is over in the OHL, the sooner he is back playing Pro hockey. I don’t want a player that doesn’t want to be here and will come down simply to try to make the best of a bad situation.

Morrison wants to win and he has demonstrated the ability to win.

What will it take to acquire said players:

To Ottawa:
Shane Wright

To Kingston:
Frankie Marrelli
three 2nds
three 3rds
___________________

To Ottawa:
Logan Morrison

To Hamilton
two 2nds
three 3rds
Jack Dever
___________________

I’ll take Morrison, thanks. He is the better player to suit Ottawa’s needs. He has the experience that Wright doesn’t have and has demonstrated the ability to lead a team to a championship and be a key contributor if not the most significant contributor. Let’s leave the NHL “Prospects” for the NHL teams to fight over where the players “ceiling” is. I don’t want to pay for Shane Wright’s NHL Ceiling. I want the best player now. Morrison is a better player right now.
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your view on these players is obviously a little different than mine, and that is OK. We'd both like to see the 67's win a Championship!
 
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Can I get a 1-10 rating on confidence level for tonights game. Bodog has NB as the favourite over OTT so there could be money to be made if you're betting OTT
 
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Can I get a 1-10 rating on confidence level for tonights game. Bodog has NB as the favourite over OTT so there could be money to be made if you're betting OTT
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If I knew how healthy the 67s were, I’d be more confident in giving you a thumbs up for Ottawa. I just sense they are playing under the weather right now.
 
Poor Steven Laforme, he can't even make the OHL suspension list. He's been apparently suspended for the last 3 games but still nothing on the website.
 
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So after a surprising 20 games a few questions
1- most surprising player?
2- most improved player?
3- best player?
4-breakout player for rest of season?
5-most disappointing player?
6- best rookie?
 
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Can I get a 1-10 rating on confidence level for tonights game. Bodog has NB as the favourite over OTT so there could be money to be made if you're betting OTT
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DiVincentiis
McDonald
Winslow
Mathurin

All out and Petrov questionable.

#1 goalie, #'s 2 and 3 D and 2 top six forwards out. Steep hill for the Troops, especially with the backup in.

Good luck
 
My answers
1-Costantini, He's just controlling the play out there. H.M. Tolnai
2- Gardiner H.M Tolnai again as his offense has taken quite a jump
3- Matier...no contest
4- Gerrior ...just feel the offense is coming H.M. Foster but he's kind of already broken out
5- hard one as nobody imo has been truly underachieving. I'll go with Boucher as I still expect more from him although the suspension did not help
6- Mews as much better defensively than expected
 
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190 is almost 206 said:
DiVincentiis
McDonald
Winslow
Mathurin

All out and Petrov questionable.

#1 goalie, #'s 2 and 3 D and 2 top six forwards out. Steep hill for the Troops, especially with the backup in.

Good luck
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Didn't realize the troops were battling so many injuries, maybe we have a better chance than I thought I'm up to 5/10 on the scale..lol but reserve the right to change my mind once I see the 67's lineup.
 
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