OT: Other Chicago & General Sports Thread XXVII: Baez Time!

[ADifferentTim]

Just reading and learning that trade got me thinking. ...

 

[clydesdale line]

Kershaw is the best in the MLB and it isn't close. Same with Felix in the AL.

It is close actually. Sale has a legit case though considering he doesn't face pitchers hitting three/four times a game and pitching in a pitcher's park. If he didn't get injured earlier, he and Felix would be neck and neck for the AL Cy. I still give the nod to Kershaw though. As cold steel said, he's done it longer plus he has the numbers (FIP, xFIP, SIERA, etc.) backing him up. Sale has had such a ridiculous year though. All are close, just amazing pitchers. I'll give Wainwright some love too.

 

[ADifferentTim]

Derrick Rose is back...trying out for Team USA 2014 edition, as per ESPN .

 

[Slopo]

Kershaw is the best in the MLB and it isn't close. Same with Felix in the AL.

Hernandez: 11-2, 1.99 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, .197 BAA, 173 Ks, 29 BBs, 158.1 IP
Sale: 10-1, 1.88 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, .194 BAA, 122 Ks, 19 BBs, 110 IP

Of course, Sale was injured and Hernandez has produced similar numbers with 50 more IP. Hernandez also has a higher K-to-BB ratio.

 

[clydesdale line]

http:// instagram.com/p/rAhSz3Rh3Rhttp://instagram.com/p/rAg2kwlzGl -D ROSE.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Hernandez: 11-2, 1.99 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, .197 BAA, 173 Ks, 29 BBs, 158.1 IP
Sale: 10-1, 1.88 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, .194 BAA, 122 Ks, 19 BBs, 110 IP

Of course, Sale was injured and Hernandez has produced similar numbers with 50 more IP. Hernandez also has a higher K-to-BB ratio.

Where do you draw the line? WHIP trumps everything as far as I am concerned. Yeah, health is factor too. I just have a hard time taking away from a better season I think will continue.

 

[madgoat33]

Kershaw is the best in the MLB and it isn't close. Same with Felix in the AL.

It's actually very debatable, especially if we're just talking this season

 

[madgoat33]

Hernandez: 11-2, 1.99 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, .197 BAA, 173 Ks, 29 BBs, 158.1 IP
Sale: 10-1, 1.88 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, .194 BAA, 122 Ks, 19 BBs, 110 IP

Of course, Sale was injured and Hernandez has produced similar numbers with 50 more IP. Hernandez also has a higher K-to-BB ratio.

Actually sales k:bb ratio is higher...

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Here's how even they are.

Felix is at 5.5 fWAR in 158 1/3 innings pitched, Sale is 3.9 in 110.

Do the math, that puts Felix at 0.0347 per IP, and Sale at 0.03545.

 

[madgoat33]

baseballreference>fangraphs.

Also, using war per start would be better since going deeper per start is better, if sale had the same amount of starts(i know he doesn't, just for argument's sake) then using WAR per inning would be super flawed.

 

[Kurtosis]

baseballreference>fangraphs.

Also, using war per start would be better since going deeper per start is better, if sale had the same amount of starts(i know he doesn't, just for argument's sake) then using WAR per inning would be super flawed.

I think a lot of people would argue the opposite from what I have read. I would be interested to hear your take.

 

[madgoat33]

I think a lot of people would argue the opposite from what I have read. I would be interested to hear your take.

As far as fangraphs vs baseball reference? Or about the WAR per inning vs WAR per start?

If its the former than I was really just kidding. I don't really have a preference as long as comparisons are made using the same site(i think that's obvious though). If its the latter, then I'd be interested to hear why people think WAR per inning makes more sense comparing pitchers.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Here's how even they are.

Felix is at 5.5 fWAR in 158 1/3 innings pitched, Sale is 3.9 in 110.

Do the math, that puts Felix at 0.0347 per IP, and Sale at 0.03545.

That's not hpw WAR is evaluated... Some of the inputs are already divided by IP.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

It's actually very debatable, especially if we're just talking this season

Nobody depresses contact like Kershaw. Nobody.

Felix and Sale are closer, but that's more of a testament to Kershaw than anything else.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

That's not hpw WAR is evaluated... Some of the inputs are already divided by IP.

I don't even get how that's possible. It's a cumulative stat, so that really doesn't make any sense to me.

Fact is, they have nearly identical numbers, but 1 guy has pitched way more so his is significantly higher.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

The rage that came when the Cubs traded Ryan Theriot was insane. I also remember people being disappointed when we lost/moved Todd Walker, Mark Grudzielanek and Mark DeRosa. Chicago loves its white middle infielders.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Good first win for Wada.

 

[Kaner Coffee]

The rage that came when the Cubs traded Ryan Theriot was insane. I also remember people being disappointed when we lost/moved Todd Walker, Mark Grudzielanek and Mark DeRosa. Chicago loves its white middle infielders.

Tony Campana.

And hey-we got Chris Archer for for DeRosa!

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I missed Campana because that team was LOLful and he was at least something to watch.

DeRosa being moved to bring in Milton Bradley was the beginning of the end for this team.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

The rage that came when the Cubs traded Ryan Theriot was insane. I also remember people being disappointed when we lost/moved Todd Walker, Mark Grudzielanek and Mark DeRosa. Chicago loves its white middle infielders.

Just up north, we wait for the Beckham era to be done with

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Darwin Barney is started in 1.45% of CBS leagues. How insanely deep are those leagues.

 

[G0AT]

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/derri...ulls-depth-gives-us-more-hope-than-last-year/

Seeing this is very pleasing. Can't wait for this coming season.

 

[madgoat33]

Just up north, we wait for the Beckham era to be done with

shoulda been over 3-4 years ago.

Can't wait til Danks, Beckham and Dunn are gone. Dumping Floyd sated me for awhile, but now the other 3 bums need to go.

 

[AmericanDream]

The rage that came when the Cubs traded Ryan Theriot was insane. I also remember people being disappointed when we lost/moved Todd Walker, Mark Grudzielanek and Mark DeRosa. Chicago loves its white middle infielders.

I literally stopped watching the Cubs the day they traded DeRosa away...that one to this day still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

I don't even get how that's possible. It's a cumulative stat, so that really doesn't make any sense to me.

Fact is, they have nearly identical numbers, but 1 guy has pitched way more so his is significantly higher.

They take FIP, which is divided by IP, and adjust it to league average and park. You can't then divide it by inning again. It's nonsensical.

You have to look at the inputs. Yea, Sale is fantastic and that will be clearly evident. But what's also evident is how ridiculously good Kerhsaw is, despite less innings pitched.

And why those IP matter relate to the opportunities faced. Those averages, especially Sale's extremely high LOB% tend to trend downward. Felix already went through that and is still on track for a 7+ WAR season.