Post-Game Talk: On the back of a Chris Tanev OT goal, Vancouver defeats Minnesota in the play-in

[HockeyWooot]

This is foundational player Brandon Sutter we heard about so many years ago

He performs better when bearded. Let’s keep that going!

 

[Fatass]

He's not expected to play like Myers. Stecher is a 2way Dman. Far smarter in the Dzone and Neutral zone. Worse in the Ozone.

Good hockey doesn't care about size.

And Bo was good tonight, but not overall for the series.

Stecher physically cannot play the role Myers does. He can’t play hard matchup minutes, in heavy hockey. He tries his guts out, but he is just way too easy to play against. There’s a reason why Stecher plays under 10 minutes in this type of hockey and Myers plays 24.

 

[Bgav]

how mad is pauser right now lol

 

[Zombotron]

how mad is pauser right now lol

He just won $1500, apparently, so... not mad?

 

[Ozone]

Canucks winning in 4 hit big for me. Also putting money on them tonight when they were trailing 4-3 also helped. Cashed out $1500 from this series lol. Let’s see what the next series pays out

you you you..then nucks nucks nucks.. haha

 

[flying v 604]

4th best Dman on the Canucks, or for both teams?

Myers was bad in this series. I would question any poster that had him at even average. He was poor on balance, made nearly unusable due to his penalties. Green better be talking to this player.

He looked markedly worse here than he did in the regular season.

Do you have facts to back that up? Because it seems the majority think he was very good and didn't mind the penalties because they were to make a point not because he was caught out of position.
You have ragged on him from the start like you do when it comes to anything Benning has done. Funny how you mention the Jake play that wasn't even entirely Myers fault, yet you omit the goal he saved bailing out Q. Our entire top 4 was very good 3 weak goals 5 on 5 in 4 games, and literally no odd man rushes. These were the easiest 3 games Marky played in all season. I guess you prefer Biega instead? Pouliot? Guddy?

 

[David71]

Huge that they pulled this off in 4 instead of 5. The extra few days rest and time to heal will be great.

DEFINATLEY i predicted this to go 4 games no need for an extra game. rest up recuperate enjoy a few days off and get back at it against their first round opponent whoever that maybe

 

[Fatass]

Liked that Jake threw some haymakers at Hartman's nose. Sure wish Jake would learn to throw ‘em lefty. Love to see him fight more too.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Stecher physically cannot play the role Myers does. He can’t play hard matchup minutes, in heavy hockey. He tries his guts out, but he is just way too easy to play against. There’s a reason why Stecher plays under 10 minutes in this type of hockey and Myers plays 24.

It's because Green has a preference for the type of player Myers represents. Green also plays Eriksson on the 2nd line, Sutter/Beagle over Gaudette, scratches Virtanen etc... He is no way the barometer for good coaching moves.

Stecher can bounce around like a pinball for the entire game and he would still make far fewer mistakes than Myers. It doesn't matter. Myers is heavier, taller, meaner, skates better, has better reach and was still worse in the neutral and defensive zones in this series. In terms of hockey, his physical advantages have a net zero impact.

Who cares if he clears the crease if he gets beat before hand? What does his reach matter if other players have to cover for his misreads/poor gap control? Why does skating forward well matter when he turns the puck over in the neutral zone? Watch him closely the next game. Watch how many mistakes he makes.

 

[flying v 604]

I don't agree..........I think if he hadn't taken 119 penalties (some of which he got just cus he's wayyy bigger than everyone some he deserved) he was decent. (And yes he def. has to cut down a TON on the penalties - that's not at all ideal). As for the actual time when he was on the ice and not in the box he was mostly solid I thought. Not nearly the tire fire a lot of people predicted when he came over.

Maybe I actually like that he had a bit of a snarl in him this series and am thus overlooking his deficiencies however he's played decent for a top four guy. For the most part our defence was solid after game one and I didn't see him as a defensive liability at all (minor detail of the 117 penalties yes).

Your not alone, he was great. Haters gonna hate because Benning signed him. It's more important for them to have anything Benning does seen as a failure than ever admit he did something right.

 

[David71]

Liked that Jake threw some haymakers at Hartman's nose. Sure wish Jake would learn to throw ‘em lefty. Love to see him fight more too.

now a few days for jake to get in shape and be the player that we hoped he would be.

 

[orcatown]

Usually agree with your assessments orcatown, but this assessment of Myers is so off. He was making mistake after mistake on the ice despite the penalties.

Can you elaborate on what you were seeing his dzone and neutral zone play that has you thinking he is a net average player in those contexts? Thanks.

As some have commented he commanded a lot of ice Used his speed and size to shut down rushes at his line, to get pucks out of his end and keep the play in the offensive end. I really like the way he extended his zone of coverage as the series went on and how he began to rush the puck through the neutral zone. Looked like a very mobile defense man who was playing off the front foot and pushing the play in every zone. Saw very little of the flat footed awkwardness he has displayed too often this season. Looked like a player who came to play

Also saw a lot of second effort. When he got in puck battles and puck got knocked off his stick he was quick to recover and get it back. Won most all the puck battles I saw

Perhaps most critical, used his size to rub people off the puck and really battered forwards like Kunin, Zuccarelo and Parise taking them and others out of the game. (thought Fiala was a nonfactor tonight and was pushed to the perimeter as well). What some of the Wild d-men were doing to our forwards Myers was doing to their forwards.

True he got some bad penalties and that was frustrating and sometimes had you pulling your hair out. But he was often nasty in a positive way and as the series went on he was critical in wearing down the smaller Wild forwards . I thought that particularly evident in this game as Myers used his size and wheels to be central to the play. Also, I didn't think he was causing goals against as he forced the play to bad angles - and Markstrom needed to stop those shots.

Don't think stats are always a critical indicator of player's play but Myers played over 24 minutes an indicator of how Green was seeing his play.

 

[Fatass]

The meanness of Myers, Sutter, and other Canucks scared Fiala. Fiala was MIA tonight.

 

[Peen]

I had the canucks in five in my mind going in but canucks in four feels about right based off the way the series went. I think each team won the games they deserved to win.

I think our best lineup still involves Gaudette and Toffoli on the third line.

 

[Ozone]

Stecher physically cannot play the role Myers does. He can’t play hard matchup minutes, in heavy hockey. He tries his guts out, but he is just way too easy to play against. There’s a reason why Stecher plays under 10 minutes in this type of hockey and Myers plays 24.

Stech has outplayed his size, expectancy, toughness, and durability this series..

Cheers to Him.

 

[orcatown]

Uh, no. Stecher brings no offence, so he has to play a defensive role. He’s too light to play the hard, heavy, and mean minutes that Myers does. I love Stecher’s heart, but for the role his limited skills default him to, he’s too small to be effective in hard matchups against heavy players.

Very accurate in my opinion. Just no offensive upside and not strong enough defensively to compensate. Sometimes it just does matter the size of the dog in the fight.

Serious props for effort but has been a weak point in the defense this year.

I wish they could have gotten something for him (probably other teams are seeing what you are seeing) b/c he is surely a cap casualty this summer or, I guess, fall. Can't keep a depth d-man like Stecher with our cap situation

 

[orcatown]

I had the canucks in five in my mind going in but canucks in four feels about right based off the way the series went. I think each team won the games they deserved to win.

I think our best lineup still involves Gaudette and Toffoli on the third line.

No one is playing Gaudette over Sutter at his point.

Probably right about Toffoli although he didn't look good in the first game. (foot might have been a factor) Yet he has likely fallen behind in terms of conditioning.

 

[David71]

I had the canucks in five in my mind going in but canucks in four feels about right based off the way the series went. I think each team won the games they deserved to win.

I think our best lineup still involves Gaudette and Toffoli on the third line.

hopefully toffoli feels better or his injury heals quick our offense would be unstoppable.

 

[Peen]

No one is playing Gaudette over Sutter at his point.

Probably right about Toffoli although he didn't look good in the first game. (foot might have been a factor) Yet he has likely fallen behind in terms of conditioning.

No, you're totally right. Sutter out of nowhere looks like he did five years ago. I'd have him in my lineup over Gaudette right now too.

But, we have to remember this is a small sample size. I'd also rather be proactive rather than reactive.

I thought Ferland and Roussel without Gaudette still weren't good. The move is probably just going to be to take Macewen out but I think Macewen has been effective every single shift.

 

[Ozone]

As some have commented he commanded a lot of ice Used his speed and size to shut down rushes at his line, to get pucks out of his end and keep the play in the offensive end. I really like the way he extended his zone of coverage as the series went on and how he began to rush the puck through the neutral zone. Looked like a very mobile defense man who was playing off the front foot and pushing the play in every zone. Saw very little of the flat footed awkwardness he has displayed too often this season. Looked like a player who came to play

Also saw a lot of second effort. When he got in puck battles and puck got knocked off his stick he was quick to recover and get it back. Won most all the puck battles I saw

Perhaps most critical, used his size to rub people off the puck and really battered forwards like Kunin, Zuccarelo and Parise taking them and others out of the game. (thought Fiala was a nonfactor tonight and was pushed to the perimeter as well). What some of the Wild d-men were doing to our forwards Myers was doing to their forwards.

True he got some bad penalties and that was frustrating and sometimes had you pulling your hair out. But he was often nasty in a positive way and as the series went on he was critical in wearing down the smaller Wild forwards . I thought that particularly evident in this game as Myers used his size and wheels to be central to the play. Also, I didn't think he was causing goals against as he forced the play to bad angles - and Markstrom needed to stop those shots.

Don't think stats are always a critical indicator of player's play but Myers played over 24 minutes an indicator of how Green was seeing his play.

Clap clap

 

[Bleach Clean]

As some have commented he commanded a lot of ice Used his speed and size to shut down rushes at his line, to get pucks out of his end and keep the play in the offensive end. I really like the way he extended his zone of coverage as the series went on and how he began to rush the puck through the neutral zone. Looked like a very mobile defense man who was playing off the front foot and pushing the play in every zone. Saw very little of the flat footed awkwardness he has displayed too often this season. Looked like a player who came to play

Also saw a lot of second effort. When he got in puck battles and puck got knocked off his stick he was quick to recover and get it back. Won most all the puck battles I saw

Perhaps most critical, used his size to rub people off the puck and really battered forwards like Kunin, Zuccarelo and Parise taking them and others out of the game. (thought Fiala was a nonfactor tonight and was pushed to the perimeter as well). What some of the Wild d-men were doing to our forwards Myers was doing to their forwards.

True he got some bad penalties and that was frustrating and sometimes had you pulling your hair out. But he was often nasty in a positive way and as the series went on he was critical in wearing down the smaller Wild forwards . I thought that particularly evident in this game as Myers used his size and wheels to be central to the play. Also, I didn't think he was causing goals against as he forced the play to bad angles - and Markstrom needed to stop those shots.

Don't think stats are always a critical indicator of player's play but Myers played over 24 minutes an indicator of how Green was seeing his play.

Thanks for the extended response.

When you say that he used his speed and size to shut down rushes, are you talking about his gap control? If so, this was a weakness of his IMO. If it was something else, please clarify.

What did you think of his turnover rate when rushing pucks to the neutral zone?

On second effort and crease clearing, no argument from me. There was a real focus for him there. Does that make him a better player though? If you took the percentage risks he did on getting a penalty, and he received numerous, was this style beneficial overall?

I saw multiple Dzone mistakes. He would turn his body the wrong way when trying to seal off a forward. Made decisions late. Had forwards cover for him. Misread when to go to the net and when to stay wide. Rushed the puck to nowhere sometimes etc...

I think a large part of the praise he has gotten are for the wrong things. Second effort after a mistake and crease clearing while risking a penalty. The best things he did were to keep the play alive in the Ozone and sometimes rush pucks through the Neutral zone. On balance though, I think he's a better player when he's not focused on being mean... surprisingly.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Beagle’s been a warrior too.

 

[Ozone]

Thanks for the extended response.

When you say that he used his speed and size to shut down rushes, are you talking about his gap control? If so, this was a weakness of his IMO. If it was something else, please clarify.

What did you think of his turnover rate when rushing pucks to the neutral zone?

On second effort and crease clearing, no argument from me. There was a real focus for him there. Does that make him a better player though? If you took the percentage risks he did on getting a penalty, and he received numerous, was this style beneficial overall?

I saw multiple Dzone mistakes. He would turn his body the wrong way when trying to seal off a forward. Made decisions late. Had forwards cover for him. Misread when to go to the net and when to stay wide. Rushed the puck to nowhere sometimes etc...

I think a large part of the praise he has gotten are for the wrong things. Second effort after a mistake and crease clearing while risking a penalty. The best things he did were to keep the play alive in the Ozone and sometimes rush pucks through the Neutral zone. On balance though, I think he's a better player when he's not focused on being mean... surprisingly.

He intimidates and scares... lol
That is the answer
maybe not scares...but they want to avoid him
huge

..they remember this, coming to the net

Again. I'm guessing he played and you didn't. No disrespect...just that there is a few 'intangibles' in life
It's weird..but true..yes I played as well. Well, not well..

These things, make a difference..weird but true.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

No, you're totally right. Sutter out of nowhere looks like he did five years ago. I'd have him in my lineup over Gaudette right now too.

But, we have to remember this is a small sample size. I'd also rather be proactive rather than reactive.

I thought Ferland and Roussel without Gaudette still weren't good. The move is probably just going to be to take Macewen out but I think Macewen has been effective every single shift.

Dude it’s the playoffs, go with the line up you won last time, if thing goes wrong, next man up

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Stecher physically cannot play the role Myers does. He can’t play hard matchup minutes, in heavy hockey. He tries his guts out, but he is just way too easy to play against. There’s a reason why Stecher plays under 10 minutes in this type of hockey and Myers plays 24.

Have to agree
Imagine Quinn at 0.5x speed and 30% of offensive instincts. That’s Stecher