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Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

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harpoon said:
Nah. It’s accurate. There is delight in the opportunity Brown has provided for one particular poster to pat himself on the back for having predicted this type of result back when the signing occurred. And repeatedly call out those who thought Brown might do OK here. The irony being that this is precisely the sort of behavior that sends him into a meltdown when applied to his posts.
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You nailed it. :nod:
 
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Fishy McScales said:
I think his point was what Brown could be for the remainder of the season, not what he's done early in the season.

At $775k he is a no-risk player this year and I thought he had a really good game against Anaheim. If he keeps that up he's great value, although we'll obviously have to wait and see.

And before you retort about the bonus, don't bother as I am aware he has the bonus but we are stuck with it regardless.
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How do you separate the bonus from the salary? It all counts against the cap and that’s all anybody cares about. Do you think the issue is that people care about how much money Katz is giving the player to be here?
 
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rboomercat90 said:
How do you separate the bonus from the salary? It all counts against the cap and that’s all anybody cares about. Do you think the issue is that people care about how much money Katz is giving the player to be here?
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hey, Boomer you only get so much production when you’re only paying a guy league minimum. Good thing the team didn’t throw more money at him ;)

I read somewhere though that he’s poised to go on a heater soon. Waiting!
 
Drivesaitl said:
The Washington Capitals, who had Brown, were not pot committed to continue Brown. Think about that. People seemingly at the time gave that precious little thought while still thinking, somehow, that the Leafs and Oilers ought to go hard on the player. The Capitals had most information, knew all the cards on the table, and they chose to fold, using your analogy.
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The capitals weren’t paying him 3 million next year whether he played for them or not so I think the analogy went over your head.
 
MessierII said:
The capitals weren’t paying him 3 million next year whether he played for them or not so I think the analogy went over your head.
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Washington was happy with Brown. They actually wanted him back so I not sure where the idea that they just let him go. Brown just wanted to test free agency. Here is a quote from their GM in an interview with their beat guy in late June that I previously posted.

We talked to Connor’s representatives last week. I think he’d like to see what’s out there in free agency," MacLellan said. "Unfortunately, I thought it was a great fit last year and would probably be a good fit going forward. We like the person, we like the style of play he does. But I think we’ll see what happens for him in free agency. This is the first time he’s going to be able to go to free agency. I think he wants to talk to teams and see where he’s at."....We’ll remain in communication with him and see where it goes from there," he said.
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They traded for him and paid him $4M in his last year with a $3.6M cap. We can't be sure what they would have offered but you typically don't ask a player that you are happy with and want back to take a big cut.
 
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brentashton said:
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hey, Boomer you only get so much production when you’re only paying a guy league minimum. Good thing the team didn’t throw more money at him ;)

I read somewhere though that he’s poised to go on a heater soon. Waiting!
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I see you're STILL not understanding what I said despite me explaining it twice.

At some point people are just blinded by preconceptions, laziness or stupidity.
 
It’s wild that people are cheering and being jerks about him having a single good game as a 4th liner and trying to make it sound like that’s great value. Gagner is great value at his contract on the 4th line. Brown even with that one goodish game. Is still a replacement level player on the 4th line. A single game doesn’t change that.

The reason you swap Brown out for someone else is to bring in someone with potential to excel or grow. Like Lavoie or something. Brown is what he is. A non physical, rough defensive forward that had nhl jobs by producing decent offense. Without that he isn’t much of a player.
 
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CycloneSweep said:
It’s wild that people are cheering and being jerks about him having a single good game as a 4th liner and trying to make it sound like that’s great value. Gagner is great value at his contract on the 4th line. Brown even with that one goodish game. Is still a replacement level player on the 4th line. A single game doesn’t change that.

The reason you swap Brown out for someone else is to bring in someone with potential to excel or grow. Like Lavoie or something. Brown is what he is. A non physical, rough defensive forward that had nhl jobs by producing decent offense. Without that he isn’t much of a player.
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Sweep, I don't think it's his defenders that are being jerks...

At least you made an argument I can buy.
 
rboomercat90 said:
How do you separate the bonus from the salary? It all counts against the cap and that’s all anybody cares about. Do you think the issue is that people care about how much money Katz is giving the player to be here?
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The 775k cap hit is the important number. That's the one that is involved in how we construct our lineup day to day. The bonus is already committed money. It's only useful information to bring up in a thread about Holland, or if we are talking about next year's roster. At this point the contract has entered into the territory of distructive conversation, just like how all talk about Larsson could not let go of Taylor Hall, and it contributted to Larsson wanting out of this team. (and yes, Larsson did mention that)
 
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Drivesaitl said:
Connor brown is "coming". We've been hearing this now for 3mths. "He's just about there" "he's playing really good" lol The same posters always saying it.

Any questioning of the player is labeled, hate, bias, etc. How about the player is the worst player on this team by miles?
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You missed redundant.
Drivesaitl said:
Or we understand that he has regular EVGA as well considering difficulty of minutes. Ironically at EV he's one of the most notable guys getting caught up ice.

This notion of Brown as a solid 200ft player hasn't been validated for years. It keeps getting mentioned as something..seems like anything will do to try to prop the player up. Doesn't pass the sniff test.
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hanging back not playing isn’t competing
 
Reading this thread I finally understand why people on this board didn't like Poolparty/Yams defenders like me. Copiuming about their lack of production with individual good stretches here and there. The difference is that Brown is performing significantly worse than either of those two in any stretch of their careers, hurts us more cap wise, and wasn't even homegrown here, so I'm not sure why so many fans have attachment to this guy.
 
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Soundwave said:
There's not a lot of wiggle room. Next GM is going to get screwed up the rear end by Holland hand cuffing him.

That 3 million isn't just 3 million either. It could have been like 10+ million in accured cap room at the deadline, imagine the roster upgrades you could make with that kind of cap room, but as its dead cap, you can't do anything with it.
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Add Neal and Campbell. They will be really cash-strapped next season.
 
CycloneSweep said:
It’s wild that people are cheering and being jerks about him having a single good game as a 4th liner and trying to make it sound like that’s great value. Gagner is great value at his contract on the 4th line. Brown even with that one goodish game. Is still a replacement level player on the 4th line. A single game doesn’t change that.

The reason you swap Brown out for someone else is to bring in someone with potential to excel or grow. Like Lavoie or something. Brown is what he is. A non physical, rough defensive forward that had nhl jobs by producing decent offense. Without that he isn’t much of a player.
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Good point. Who has the most chance to grow their game to compete for the cup this year. A rookie or a veteran player who has done it before?

Trafalgar Sadge Law said:
Reading this thread I finally understand why people on this board didn't like Poolparty/Yams defenders like me. Copiuming about their lack of production with individual good stretches here and there. The difference is that Brown is performing significantly worse than either of those two in any stretch of their careers, hurts us more cap wise, and wasn't even homegrown here, so I'm not sure why so many fans have attachment to this guy.
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And it’s a sunk cost, this whole discussion is a sunk cost fallacy. And then you can add intangibles. Like, when is the last time mcdavid has been able to rest 3 games out of the last 5 in must win games? I know if I’m the coach, somebody is doing those minutes and contributing to those wins. Watching players like brown play and share the load is what winners are made of.
 
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All jokes aside, he's playing decent and getting chances, it looks like it'll come. The bonus is done nothing we can do about it so here's hoping he keeps working hard on the 4th line. Winning is everything, you need contributions from everyone and the Oilers are getting something from him right now
 
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