Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[Drivesaitl]

I don't think that's right.

Everyone hates the bonus. Literally everyone.

The people who also hate the player immediately jump to the conclusion that people are fine with the bonus for just uttering anything even remotely positive about the player and/or the cap hit as it stands this season.

And yes, you are lecturing me specifically while liking ignorant posts responding to me.

No, no I'm not. I'm not stubborn either

I mean c'mon, laugh a little.

Hate is a word that gets thrown out a lot. As do "inane" theories that Oilers fans just want players to fail. Those are worst possible constructs regarding other fans and its only low to stoop to that. (not you)

ps You don't think what is right?

 

[Fishy McScales]

No, no I'm not. I'm not stubborn either

I mean c'mon, laugh a little.

Hate is a word that gets thrown out a lot. As do "inane" theories that Oilers fans just want players to fail. Those are worst possible constructs regarding other fans and its only low to stoop to that. (not you)

ps You don't think what is right?

I mean I don't think it's right to say there are two different sides to the discussion. I don't think there is a meaningful discussion here to be had.

When I made my initial post I fully expected people to throw his bonus money in my face. I even naively tried to preempt it for all the good it did me.

People in this thread just see red and bring out the flamethrower, so yes I think it's hate (not for posters but for Connor Brown as if the guy spends his days off kicking puppies).

 

[Drivesaitl]

I mean I don't think it's right to say there are two different sides to the discussion. I don't think there is a meaningful discussion here to be had.

When I made my initial post I fully expected people to throw his bonus money in my face. I even naively tried to preempt it for all the good it did me.

People in this thread just see red and bring out the flamethrower, so yes I think it's hate (not for posters but for Connor Brown as if the guy spends his days off kicking puppies).

Thanks for the explanation. its the trouble with texting/ writing. it often doesn't come across the right way as intended. What we think we're conveying in writing isn't always the same as what others are perceiving or reading.

The bolded is interesting and I agree with that. So that we as fans project our frustration on Connor Brown to each other? Could even be.

Theres always a thread or two every season that feel particularly heated. But they usually involved players that are being scapegoated. Connor Brown is not being scapegoated, hes' been abjectly horrible here, as I think almost anybody agrees.

Brown doesn't kick puppies, he just kicks linemates production chances out the window. He's been an incredible cooler.

 

[TKB21]

Let’s bring this back on track, I’m sure we can all agree to a degree that the Connor Brown signing was piss poor cap management.

 

[9GWG9]

Do we like the contract.....No....but I have been keeping an eye on this guy and he is playing a solid game. He will never earn the money with points but he brings everything else to the table. I would put his forechecking and game effort on par with Hyman.

 

[rboomercat90]

Although I loved Herb Tarlek in WKRP I was thinking Leslie Nielsen in the Airplane (original) movie.



Thumbs up for the smile it gave me however

Now I can’t stop thinking of Arthur Carlson and his famous quote,
“As God is my witness I though turkeys could
fly!”. Now I will have that earworm going all day.

Thanks Vain

The horror.

 

[Keggatron]

Do we like the contract.....No....but I have been keeping an eye on this guy and he is playing a solid game. He will never earn the money with points but he brings everything else to the table. I would put his forechecking and game effort on par with Hyman.

Then why aren't his linemates scoring?

 

[brentashton]

The horror.

Classic.

 

[guymez]

Do we like the contract.....No....but I have been keeping an eye on this guy and he is playing a solid game. He will never earn the money with points but he brings everything else to the table. I would put his forechecking and game effort on par with Hyman.

I agree with this take.
I have been watching him closley the past 10 games or so and for the most part he is always in the right position defensivley and he is very good at pressuring on the forecheck.
One of the best PK'ers on the team.

That being said this offensive drought has to end.
An obvious statement for sure but its just not nearly good enough and its not at all consistent with the player Brown has been in the past. If it was then I would be all over this contract as well but the player we have seen so far is a shell of the player Brown has been in years past.
Brown has been a solid middle 6 player that can compliment offensive players really well.
Thats the reality but post injury he just isnt playing like he is capable.

My guess would be that he is thinking too much instead of just playing. He is too 'in his head'.
Thats were the frustration lies for me.

If Brown was able to generate even 50% - 75% of his previous offensive game then this team would really benefit because he is so good at other aspects of the game.

 

[oljimmy]

It's worth remembering that despite the lack of production Brown has playoff grit and intensity in his came and showed that for many years with LAK. His effort level and experience will almost certainly help the team there. That's what we really need; the rest of the team literally scoring 4.5 goals per game will get us a good spot in the playoffs; if the dude can just pot 1-2 key ones in the postseason I'm good with him.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

It's worth remembering that despite the lack of production Brown has playoff grit and intensity in his came and showed that for many years with LAK. His effort level and experience will almost certainly help the team there. That's what we really need; the rest of the team literally scoring 4.5 goals per game will get us a good spot in the playoffs; if the dude can just pot 1-2 key ones in the postseason I'm good with him.

Uhmmm wrong Brown dude.

 

[joestevens29]

Lol I just read 12 replies to an ignored person. Do yourselves a favour and ignore him. You are playing into the dumb circle trap that is done everywhere with him

He’s probably laughing as he dips bread into a 3/4 empty jar of chez whiz that you guys still reply

I agree with this take.
I have been watching him closley the past 10 games or so and for the most part he is always in the right position defensivley and he is very good at pressuring on the forecheck.
One of the best PK'ers on the team.

That being said this offensive drought has to end.
An obvious statement for sure but its just not nearly good enough and its not at all consistent with the player Brown has been in the past. If it was then I would be all over this contract as well but the player we have seen so far is a shell of the player Brown has been in years past.
Brown has been a solid middle 6 player that can compliment offensive players really well.
Thats the reality but post injury he just isnt playing like he is capable.

My guess would be that he is thinking too much instead of just playing. He is too 'in his head'.
Thats were the frustration lies for me.

If Brown was able to generate even 50% - 75% of his previous offensive game then this team would really benefit because he is so good at other aspects of the game.

Needs an empty net goal like McLeod

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

 

[ZJuice]

Now that Brown’s cap hit is 1.182mill this year (pending no more moves,) can I bitch about him being not good enough?

And yeah, yeah.. with context fishy mcscales makes sense but has anyone figured out if Brown's cap hit can be moved? It is obvious that we pay him the bonus no matter what, but does his total cap gtfo with him?

 

[brentashton]

Uhmmm wrong Brown dude.

Ya we probably dislike that Brown even more.

 

[Fourier]

Now that Brown’s cap hit is 1.182mill this year (pending no more moves,) can I bitch about him being not good enough?

And yeah, yeah.. with context fishy mcscales makes sense but has anyone figured out if Brown's cap hit can be moved? It is obvious that we pay him the bonus no matter what, but does his total cap gtfo with him?

It seems that if he is traded the $3.125M is charged to the team that pays it which is almost surely the Oilers.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Good point. Who has the most chance to grow their game to compete for the cup this year. A rookie or a veteran player who has done it before?


And it’s a sunk cost, this whole discussion is a sunk cost fallacy. And then you can add intangibles. Like, when is the last time mcdavid has been able to rest 3 games out of the last 5 in must win games? I know if I’m the coach, somebody is doing those minutes and contributing to those wins. Watching players like brown play and share the load is what winners are made of.

Winners aren't made of players who score 3 points in 27 games on 4 million. Winners like Vegas do everything in their power to get rid of players like this. And you're right, it's a sunk cost fallacy. Connor Brown is a sunk cost investment by the team who's bad at hockey, so why are we still playing him in hopes that he'll go from worst investment since tulipmania to just a regular dumpster fire investment?

 

[ZJuice]

It seems that if he is traded the $3.125M is charged to the team that pays it which is almost surely the Oilers.

Darn! I think that's where people were settling on the topic at the start of the year

 

[Drivesaitl]

Uhmmm wrong Brown dude.

I'd Ruther have that Dustin Brown. haha

Even retired for years and nearing age 40 i don't think he'd be worse. Was the poster serious or was that tongue in cheek.

Winners aren't made of players who score 3 points in 27 games on 4 million. Winners like Vegas do everything in their power to get rid of players like this. And you're right, it's a sunk cost fallacy. Connor Brown is a sunk cost investment by the team who's bad at hockey, so why are we still playing him in hopes that he'll go from worst investment since tulipmania to just a regular dumpster fire investment?

C'mon, stop hating.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ya we probably dislike that Brown even more.

That Brown was very useful. During his career I'd have time for him. He was decent in the room on a 2 time champion and as its captain.

Maybe Holland got confused too. lol, I'm joking.

"No sorry Ken Holland, this is Connor Brown that hasn't won anything ever and that played for the Cringe Senators and Cringe leafs"

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He still looks like a guy that is scared of getting re-injured and a guy that lacks explosiveness in his first few strides and in his shot.

 

[brentashton]

That Brown was very useful. During his career I'd have time for him. He was decent in the room on a 2 time champion and as its captain.

Maybe Holland got confused too. lol, I'm joking.

"No sorry Ken Holland, this is Connor Brown that hasn't won anything ever and that played for the Cringe Senators and Cringe leafs"

ROFL.

Useful, yes, but I still disliked him.

 

[alphahelix]

Max Pacioretty to debut tonight. How long before he scores his first goal? 3 or 4 games?

 

[AM]

Winners aren't made of players who score 3 points in 27 games on 4 million. Winners like Vegas do everything in their power to get rid of players like this. And you're right, it's a sunk cost fallacy. Connor Brown is a sunk cost investment by the team who's bad at hockey, so why are we still playing him in hopes that he'll go from worst investment since tulipmania to just a regular dumpster fire investment?

His play is helping the team win. Why wouldn’t we play him. And yes winners are made by players having a role and executing it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

His play is helping the team win. Why wouldn’t we play him. And yes winners are made by players having a role and executing it.

Some pawns are interchangeable and don't cost 4M. Cause and effect in latest game is spelled McDavid. The game before that it was Draisaitl, before that McDavid, and so on.

Yes a team is required to win, yes a group of players rowing in concert. But some of those pieces are easily had and tend to be.

Its interested me a lot the Oilers just walked from players like Bjugstad, who they had, and in their zeal to get what they thought were better addition of Connor Brown. Realistically Bjugstad was being the topnine quality forward that people had hoped that Connor Brown would be. Bjugstad was also being very physical, strong to crease, and was playing like a bull here. He's only continued to do that.

The bird in the hand folks.