Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[Aerchon]

You mean 'Unforgiven' not tombstone right?

Thank you. Tombstone didn't sound right, thus my ?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Brown is almost appearing to be avoiding contact. Gotta get to that 10 game mark and cash that giant cheque.

Waive him down and bring up Lavoie. Or if 97 is out for any length of time just sit him as we can call up 3 players.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Brown is almost appearing to be avoiding contact. Gotta get to that 10 game mark and cash that giant cheque.

Waive him down and bring up Lavoie. Or if 97 is out for any length of time just sit him as we can call up 3 players.

Yeah I've noticed this multiple timea a game. He's backing off getting hit and bailing on pucks, and when he is hit he's wincing and on a few occasions looking hurt with even pedestrian hits. If Kane walks into him look out.

Its an absolute joke that this was our big season add, our big splash. Still don't get how people didn't spot it was an awful offseason. Other teams active, improving lineup, we're losing players.

This is starting to look like dead Turris out there. Not sure what it is but I start to get nausea when we get players that were longtime Senators. Its associative conditioning by now that they turn out Brown..

 

[McShogun99]

Play Brown for 4 more games and if there’s no improvement just send him to the AHL or trade him. Next game is an auto loss with or without Mcdavid and if we’re 1-7-1 by game 9 then it’s going to be a tall task to make up a deficit like that this early in the season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's going to be a major issue next year if we are paying him not to play.

It's only three games but XB, Lavoie, Hamlin and Malone are all better options right now, and none of them are getting paid to play top six.

There is a window for Brown to show that he can still play and he's 1/3 there already. I agree that Brown isn't responsible for the losses, but it's an optimistic take at this point to assume he is going to catch up.

The reason Brown's contract was worth the risk is because he provided a top six skater for near league minimum this season. It definitely takes more than 3 games to hit top level but Brown hasn't hit passable level yet, he has been so far behind the play it's shocking.

I don't think there is even a risk he gets claimed on waivers right now. He looks cooked. Yammo was providing us more, Brown lost his top 6 role after a single game.

Did this post load late from last week? The Oilers and Connor Brown have played 5 games. Still no pulse. We're half into the get rid of him window. If only we could.

For people wondering why theres so much criticism of Brown its due to the feeling that Brown was our touted "find" . "the next Hyman" and represents basically our entire offseason. This was the one get of the offseason by the Oilers, it was mundane at the time, and nothing else of significance occurred even as we lost multiple players. Yes, this is a worse lineup this year with Connor Brown.

I'd also wonder if everybody but McD kinda felt like the team went nowhere in the offseason. As in "this is our help, really?"

Erne has looked more dangerous and he's a walk in PTO and no I'm not pumping Erne. We have prospects that can probably look better than Connor Brown. But Connor Brown symbolizes a lame offseason. Just what it is. People can think thats ridiculous but I was spotting this before season started. The team needed to be active in offseason. We needed some new blood, new energy. We got the ghost of Connor Brown and the injured Sam Gagner. jebus, that was our offseason.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Oilers should fire Holland and bring in somebody willing to hardball this Brown situation asap.

He can’t play 10 games in Edmonton if he’s not a major top 6 contributor. We can’t let our window close next year because we’re afraid of ruffling some feathers on a bad contract that is set to handcuff us. Lavoie can do what
Brown is doing.

Call him back up when he hits 30 goals in the AHL or when theres less than 5 games remaining in the season.

You almost wonder if Connor Brown sticks around just because he's McD's guy. Its also the only reason he's here in the first place.

The trouble with all that is Connor Brown is making McD look bad because it was McDavid wanting him here. Thats tough for a captain when something like that happens and its likely to create some tensions anyway this unfolds.

Its often a bad idea to hire friends. Whole chapters of business books have been written on this. But hey, Connor has a roomie.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It's going to be a major issue next year if we are paying him not to play.

It's only three games but XB, Lavoie, Hamlin and Malone are all better options right now, and none of them are getting paid to play top six.

There is a window for Brown to show that he can still play and he's 1/3 there already. I agree that Brown isn't responsible for the losses, but it's an optimistic take at this point to assume he is going to catch up.

The reason Brown's contract was worth the risk is because he provided a top six skater for near league minimum this season. It definitely takes more than 3 games to hit top level but Brown hasn't hit passable level yet, he has been so far behind the play it's shocking.

I don't think there is even a risk he gets claimed on waivers right now. He looks cooked. Yammo was providing us more, Brown lost his top 6 role after a single game.

Hamblin and Malone are career AHLers. Call up Lavoie and give him 10 games and see what he can do.

At least send him down to work on his game. He’s of no value to this team at any price right now, let alone at what his cap hit is going to cost us next season. Who knows, maybe after a while in the AHL he’ll be able to contribute something. After starting the season with 4 losses out of 5 we need guys playing that can move the dial. You can’t hide a player when everybody is struggling.

I would send him down and tell him that we need more from him but that if he gets to the level that we expect out of him that we will call him back up and that barring anything unforeseen (injury, or his continued lackluster play) he could still max out his contract. At the end of the day his agent pushed hard for the 9 game bonus because as someone else said 40ish games would've been much more reasonable from the team's perspective. Because of that 9 game stipulation he risked riding the bus in Bako if things went sideways.

I mean it might piss Connor off a bit, but at this rate Brown might not even be worth bringing back at his base salary next season. If Connor wants to put himself above the team then he better not bitch when we get smoked by the Avs or Vegas IF we make the playoffs.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Yeah I've noticed this multiple timea a game. He's backing off getting hit and bailing on pucks, and when he is hit he's wincing and on a few occasions looking hurt with even pedestrian hits. If Kane walks into him look out.

Its an absolute joke that this was our big season add, our big splash. Still don't get how people didn't spot it was an awful offseason. Other teams active, improving lineup, we're losing players.

This is starting to look like dead Turris out there. Not sure what it is but I start to get nausea when we get players that were longtime Senators. Its associative conditioning by now that they turn out Brown..

The signing I didn’t line was Kane. Yes he was impactful that half year however we needed to put that money towards the defence then and we should now. Several teams have said they will take on contracts, we need to exit that deal and do whatever it takes to get Pesce in here and hope he will re-sign with us. I don’t think @Cloned package does it either.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The signing I didn’t line was Kane. Yes he was impactful that half year however we needed to put that money towards the defence then and we should now. Several teams have said they will take on contracts, we need to exit that deal and do whatever it takes to get Pesce in here and hope he will re-sign with us. I don’t think @Cloned package does it either.

Kane is always limited shelf life on any team. He plays good initially then packs it in. Its his career history. He isn't a stable part of a nucleus of a team and it often gets worse from here. I defended Kane lots, and like the addition lots, but this is not a player that you can have longerterm. It just doesn't work.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Kane is always limited shelf life on any team. He plays good initially then packs it in. Its his career history. He isn't a stable part of a nucleus of a team and it often gets worse from here. I defended Kane lots, and like the addition lots, but this is not a player that you can have longerterm. It just doesn't work.

Would Kane get us Pesci? Would Pesci be open to an extension? Then who is our toughest player up font? Nuge?

 

[McDNicks17]

Would Kane get us Pesci? Would Pesci be open to an extension? Then who is our toughest player up font? Nuge?

Holland gave Kane a NMC.

 

[Stealth1616]

It’s too bad his bonus structure wasn’t like 20-25 games. He hasn’t started out great but he is coming off major surgery and hasn’t played in over a year. Understandable he might take a bit to get used to things again but he has been such a non factor.

I do wonder if he’s playing tentatively to avoid injury.

Gonna be an interesting decision if he puts up donuts until that 10 game mark. Don’t think Holland has the stones to fix that situation

 

[Drivesaitl]

Would Kane get us Pesci? Would Pesci be open to an extension? Then who is our toughest player up font? Nuge?

tbh I don't know much about Pesci and I'm not familiar at all with the situation.

Weird that Kostin is being parked in Detroit but that club is flying and they got a lot of offseason additions unlike the Oilers. Kostin IS in an actual numbers game there. Shitty situation for him to land.

This lineup this year was seriously flawed from the word go as you recognize from my offseason posts. We lost two jam players in Kostin and Bjugstad that got us 6 goals. They were among our best goalscorers in playoffs playing hard on puck games.

Felt like Kane had something in first period, then the fight, and lost interest. You never know whats up with Kane. His focus and prep has always been his issues.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Holland gave Kane a NMC.

Oops. Another strike against Kenny.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It’s too bad his bonus structure wasn’t like 20-25 games. He hasn’t started out great but he is coming off major surgery and hasn’t played in over a year. Understandable he might take a bit to get used to things again but he has been such a non factor.

I do wonder if he’s playing tentatively to avoid injury.

Gonna be an interesting decision if he puts up donuts until that 10 game mark. Don’t think Holland has the stones to fix that situation

If he was trying to avoid injury he wouldn't fight last night. What I'm seeing is a guy that didn't train hard in offseason, is looking slow, poorly conditioned, and when he expends energy on a shift he takes the next couple off. He has no sustain right now and even his shot is less. I don't think he's in peak condition. I guess he figured he would just play his way into condition. This is not A Kane, and like I said he gets less interested in bringing that once he has a contract. That is who Kane is unfortunately. he got paid.

 

[MessierII]

Weird that Kostin is being parked in Detroit but that club is flying and they got a lot of offseason additions unlike the Oilers. Kostin IS in an actual numbers game there. Shitty situation for him to land.

It’s not weird at all it’s exactly what I said in the offseason. The oilers resurrected his career and he rewarded them by trying to pinch every penny. He cleared waivers last year and risked having to re establish himself with a new team that was absolutely loaded with bottom 9 forwards. It was a terrible career decision that will cost him money long term.

 

[Stealth1616]

If he was trying to avoid injury he wouldn't fight last night. What I'm seeing is a guy that didn't train hard in offseason, is looking slow, poorly conditioned, and when he expends energy on a shift he takes the next couple off. He has no sustain right now and even his shot is less. I don't think he's in peak condition. I guess he figured he would just play his way into condition. This is not A Kane, and like I said he gets less interested in bringing that once he has a contract. That is who Kane is unfortunately. he got paid.

I am talking about Brown

 

[Bryanbryoil]

tbh I don't know much about Pesci and I'm not familiar at all with the situation.

Weird that Kostin is being parked in Detroit but that club is flying and they got a lot of offseason additions unlike the Oilers. Kostin IS in an actual numbers game there. Shitty situation for him to land.

This lineup this year was seriously flawed from the word go as you recognize from my offseason posts. We lost two jam players in Kostin and Bjugstad that got us 6 goals. They were among our best goalscorers in playoffs playing hard on puck games.

Felt like Kane had something in first period, then the fight, and lost interest. You never know whats up with Kane. His focus and prep has always been his issues.

I wonder if Yzerman would consider trading Kostin back to us? Not that Woodcroft would want to play him anyway.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Not tossing my toys out of the pram yet---but this could really f*** us up next year

 

[MessierII]

I wonder if Yzerman would consider trading Kostin back to us? Not that Woodcroft would want to play him anyway.

If the current trajectory keeps going he gets bought out of the second year in the offseason. Probably can’t get him in season because of that second year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I wonder if Yzerman would consider trading Kostin back to us? Not that Woodcroft would want to play him anyway.

Russian agents or whoever it is are pretty bad at reading tea leaves. Detroit got Kostin, but they sure got a lot of players in offseason and not only is Kostin not getting regular minutes that they said they would give him but its even scratching him last game and only getting average 7mins a night. You can't do much with that.

Detroit just isn't using him. Injuries might change that.

It’s not weird at all it’s exactly what I said in the offseason. The oilers resurrected his career and he rewarded them by trying to pinch every penny. He cleared waivers last year and risked having to re establish himself with a new team that was absolutely loaded with bottom 9 forwards. It was a terrible career decision that will cost him money long term.

It was a questionable decision. But I still think it was made due to Woody deciding to barely use Kostin in playoffs and scratching him 20X in regular season. It was pretty clear here that Woody didn't want Kostin. I mean indelible. Do you disagree?

 

[MessierII]

It was a questionable decision. But I still think it was made due to Woody deciding to barely use Kostin in playoffs and scratching him 20X in regular season. It was pretty clear here that Woody didn't want Kostin. I mean indelible. Do you disagree?

100% I disagree because that didn’t really happen. Kostin was almost never a healthy scratch here. He played 4th line minutes here because he is a 4th line player at the nhl level. He was 12-13 forward for the blues and it’s the same thing for the wings. This isn’t some conspiracy by woody in fact woody gave him the most opportunity of any coach so far in his career.

 

[Cloned]

The signing I didn’t line was Kane. Yes he was impactful that half year however we needed to put that money towards the defence then and we should now. Several teams have said they will take on contracts, we need to exit that deal and do whatever it takes to get Pesce in here and hope he will re-sign with us. I don’t think @Cloned package does it either.

Broberg + Akey is a great starting point. Then you either put Ceci or Kane in there for cap purposes.

 

[Drivesaitl]

100% I disagree because that didn’t really happen. Kostin was almost never a healthy scratch here. He played 4th line minutes here because he is a 4th line player at the nhl level. He was 12-13 forward for the blues and it’s the same thing for the wings. This isn’t some conspiracy by woody in fact woody gave him the most opportunity of any coach so far in his career.

Thats just not accurate. Kostin was healthy scratched a dozen times and spent another 9 games in bakersfield. He missed a handful of games due to injury.

But even in usage, of the 57 games he played here 37 of them were 10something minutes or less. As low as 5mins. This pattern got increasingly evident as season went on and in 12 playoff games Kostin was shorted shifts and minutes and saw a peak of 11 mins despite being one of our more effective and harder to play against forwards. Kostin got only 3mins of toi in 3 of the playoff games and including the last two, which we lost both. Kostin averaged around 7mins in playoffs.

The writing was on the wall.

nor should Kostin be locked in as only a 4th line player. Its not his pedigree. The kid has talent, a shot, excellent skater, and is a mack truck. I give that guy a dozen minutes a night on my team and so would Ronnie Low.

 

[VainGretzky]

They put their faith in a player who missed an entire season with serious injury moving assets to do it , Holland dropped the ball on this one