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Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

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Oilslick941611 said:
Some of you people need to watch The Drop to see what the expectations around Connor Brown are. Holland clearly mentions they don't expect him to come out of the gate swinging and expect him to really come into form mid-late season. Some expectations in are not inline with the franchises.
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Yeah. All Ryan Murray needed was a half season to get back to the living and everything will sort isself out. All Turris needed was several seasons to come back to life

All Neal needed was a miracle and a time machine.

We've seen this movie so many times. Holland likes old players/projects it doesn't even matter if they can still go.

In the Oilers realm if you bring back the ghost of Gagner with two injured hips, you bring back Brown who hasn't played in 18mths, you Bring back Ryan until kingdom come...somehow people keep buying tickets to see it. Just the thought of a Neal was something I guess..
 
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The microscope wouldn't be on Brown so much if some others on the team that have no excuse would be bringing it. Unfortunately, there are so many other passengers right now, he's going to be a convenient scapegoat. Just like Adam Erne. And the reason we have Adam Freaking Erne in our lineup is because our GM has pushed us right to the cap limit and beyond and we are hamstrung.
 
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alphahelix said:
I don’t understand why people think this. If he had an offer for 4M he should have taken it, no way should we be involved in a biding war for a guy coming off a 4GP season.

Connor Brown has never made 4 million dollars for a season in his entire career, and he is a career-high 20 goal scorer, he has 74 points over the last 3 years while he was making 3.6M a season. That is not delivering value on that contract , but now that he is turning 30 and coming off a massive injury during a cap freeze, we should find it plausible that he would be offered 4M on the open market? A Major raise during a dead cap era for a guy who just missed a year is turning 30 and has never scored over 21 goals? We can offer WINGERS the most optimal playing situation available in the world for point production/future earning growth but we always have to pay top dollar?

If someone was drunk enough for that we should have let them make their mistake.

One thing I have learned about Holland is that he is seemingly ALWAys negotiating against himself. At least in the Kane situation he played the agent’s bluff, but every other time he has assumed that there are dozens of phantom bidders during the dead cap era waiting in the wings to outbid us for middle-tier players with multi-million dollar long term contracts. And every dollar on that Kane contract is starting to look a little dubious anyway. Oilers always make it seem so damn hard to make smart decisions and win negotiations/trades. Other teams dont seem to struggle so hard With basic logic and rational decisionmaking.
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Brown making 4 is a natural step up from his 3.6 from before with cap growth and that he did well while he was playing. It definitely makes sense that he would have interest by any GM with space, and perhaps many like us who would try the same bonus structure.

If he'd hit 20 goals he'd easily be worth it, especially considering scoring is only one dimension of his game. He's only had a positive reputation in this league so far with good work ethic and P/GP.

The only strong point that GMs would be iffy on would be the injury he had but if that weren't an issue he'd be getting this kind of money but with term
 
Mr Positive said:
Brown making 4 is a natural step up from his 3.6 from before with cap growth and that he did well while he was playing. It definitely makes sense that he would have interest by any GM with space, and perhaps many like us who would try the same bonus structure.

If he'd hit 20 goals he'd easily be worth it, especially considering scoring is only one dimension of his game. He's only had a positive reputation in this league so far with good work ethic and P/GP.

The only strong point that GMs would be iffy on would be the injury he had but if that weren't an issue he'd be getting this kind of money but with term
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There was basically no cap growth an in fact year over year teams had less cap space, as long term contracts took bigger % of the cap than GMs had planned for based on regular growth… lots of players of Connor Browns quality signed for less money this year. Some of them a lot less. Guys who have scored 20 goals more recently than him signed for less money. And Brown missed the entire year. And is turning 30. This would impact the market for him, to say the least.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
Yeah. All Ryan Murray needed was a half season to get back to the living and everything will sort isself out. All Turris needed was several seasons to come back to life

All Neal needed was a miracle and a time machine.

We've seen this movie so many times. Holland likes old players/projects it doesn't even matter if they can still go.

In the Oilers realm if you bring back the ghost of Gagner with two injured hips, you bring back Brown who hasn't played in 18mths, you Bring back Ryan until kingdom come...somehow people keep buying tickets to see it. Just the thought of a Neal was something I guess..
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Must be tiring to always to see the worst in everything and everyone.
 
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alphahelix said:
There was basically no cap growth an in fact year over year teams had less cap space, as long term contracts took bigger % of the cap than GMs had planned for based on regular growth… lots of players of Connor Browns quality signed for less money this year. Some of them a lot less. Guys who have scored 20 goals more recently than him signed for less money. And Brown missed the entire year. And is turning 30. This would impact the market for him, to say the least.
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Yep, zero excuse to pay this player that amount of money. Never made sense to me to pay that amount of money when he didn’t even play last year due to injury….shouldn’t this have been an easy show me deal for 1.5 million?
 
Jumptheshark said:
In reflection that game mark should have been 30 to 40 level not 10
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TKB21 said:
Yep, zero excuse to pay this player that amount of money. Never made sense to me to pay that amount of money when he didn’t even play last year due to injury….shouldn’t this have been an easy show me deal for 1.5 million?
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Contract negotiations are a two way street. You can't just assume he would've signed for $1.5 million or with a tougher condition.
 
Oilers should fire Holland and bring in somebody willing to hardball this Brown situation asap.

He can’t play 10 games in Edmonton if he’s not a major top 6 contributor. We can’t let our window close next year because we’re afraid of ruffling some feathers on a bad contract that is set to handcuff us. Lavoie can do what
Brown is doing.

Call him back up when he hits 30 goals in the AHL or when theres less than 5 games remaining in the season.
 
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Stoneman89 said:
The microscope wouldn't be on Brown so much if some others on the team that have no excuse would be bringing it. Unfortunately, there are so many other passengers right now, he's going to be a convenient scapegoat. Just like Adam Erne. And the reason we have Adam Freaking Erne in our lineup is because our GM has pushed us right to the cap limit and beyond and we are hamstrung.
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100%
As if Brown is the issue with this team.
 
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alphahelix said:
Oilers should fire Holland and bring in somebody willing to hardball this Brown situation asap.

He can’t play 10 games in Edmonton if he’s not a major top 6 contributor. We can’t let our window close next year because we’re afraid of ruffling some feathers on a bad contract that is set to handcuff us. Lavoie can do what
Brown is doing.

Call him back up when he hits 30 goals in the AHL or when theres less than 5 games remaining in the season.
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I don't think it's that big a deal. Yes, having that 3.25 for next season would be a big help but the whole team is pretty much signed up for next season. If Lavoie or Bourgault can replace Brown next year then that's our team and it's done.

If we go after a new RD there's other money to clear out too. The projection still is for the cap to jump a lot next season. We don't need it to though.

Ultimately I just don't see scratching Brown over this bonus as realistic. It would just create too much ill will on the team and would raise a stink with the NHLPA I'm sure.

Also, yes he is coming back from major injury. So wouldn't it be logical that it would take him more than 3 games to reach his top level? The potential for Brown here is another Hyman type player so that seems like a good gamble anyway.
 
It's going to be a major issue next year if we are paying him not to play.

It's only three games but XB, Lavoie, Hamlin and Malone are all better options right now, and none of them are getting paid to play top six.

There is a window for Brown to show that he can still play and he's 1/3 there already. I agree that Brown isn't responsible for the losses, but it's an optimistic take at this point to assume he is going to catch up.

The reason Brown's contract was worth the risk is because he provided a top six skater for near league minimum this season. It definitely takes more than 3 games to hit top level but Brown hasn't hit passable level yet, he has been so far behind the play it's shocking.

I don't think there is even a risk he gets claimed on waivers right now. He looks cooked. Yammo was providing us more, Brown lost his top 6 role after a single game.
 
Idk no one has chemistry right now. I can see the skill there with Brown. He's just not clicking with his linemates
 
Mr Positive said:
I don't think it's that big a deal. Yes, having that 3.25 for next season would be a big help but the whole team is pretty much signed up for next season. If Lavoie or Bourgault can replace Brown next year then that's our team and it's done.

If we go after a new RD there's other money to clear out too. The projection still is for the cap to jump a lot next season. We don't need it to though.

Ultimately I just don't see scratching Brown over this bonus as realistic. It would just create too much ill will on the team and would raise a stink with the NHLPA I'm sure.

Also, yes he is coming back from major injury. So wouldn't it be logical that it would take him more than 3 games to reach his top level? The potential for Brown here is another Hyman type player so that seems like a good gamble anyway.
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Gonna be $5.25 million in dead cap next year, lol. Yeah who needs to get better when we're already behind Vegas and Colorado considerably.
 
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I honestly have not noticed him at all this season. He might as well be Janmark but at least Mattias won't have a big cap hit next season.
 
alphahelix said:
I don’t understand why people think this. If he had an offer for 4M he should have taken it, no way should we be involved in a biding war for a guy coming off a 4GP season.

Connor Brown has never made 4 million dollars for a season in his entire career, and he is a career-high 20 goal scorer, he has 74 points over the last 3 years while he was making 3.6M a season. That is not delivering value on that contract , but now that he is turning 30 and coming off a massive injury during a cap freeze, we should find it plausible that he would be offered 4M on the open market? A Major raise during a dead cap era for a guy who just missed a year is turning 30 and has never scored over 21 goals? We can offer WINGERS the most optimal playing situation available in the world for point production/future earning growth but we always have to pay top dollar?

If someone was drunk enough for that we should have let them make their mistake.

One thing I have learned about Holland is that he is seemingly ALWAys negotiating against himself. At least in the Kane situation he played the agent’s bluff, but every other time he has assumed that there are dozens of phantom bidders during the dead cap era waiting in the wings to outbid us for middle-tier players with multi-million dollar long term contracts. And every dollar on that Kane contract is starting to look a little dubious anyway. Oilers always make it seem so damn hard to make smart decisions and win negotiations/trades. Other teams dont seem to struggle so hard With basic logic and rational decisionmaking.
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Personally I don‘t care what kind of other options he had on the table.

I care about Oilers future and if he plays like 4th line guy, 4mn are just too much, especially given the unfortunate cap carry-over. That deal looked maybe good salary structure wise for this year but is defo very bad for next year.

So lets send him down, see if he picks up his game, and then give him another couple of games to decide.

But I am not for handing out pay-checks if he doesn‘t perform respectively. We had enough bad contracts and I seriously hope mgt learned some things…

And if the oilers continue with the current performance and this is a lost season, it is even more important not to have this contract on the books in order to finally have some flexibility when the cap rises.
 
independent observer said:
Personally I don‘t care what kind of other options he had on the table.

I care about Oilers future and if he plays like 4th line guy, 4mn are just too much, especially given the unfortunate cap carry-over. That deal looked maybe good salary structure wise for this year but is defo very bad for next year.

So lets send him down, see if he picks up his game, and then give him another couple of games to decide.

But I am not for handing out pay-checks if he doesn‘t perform respectively. We had enough bad contracts and I seriously hope mgt learned some things…

And if the oilers continue with the current performance and this is a lost season, it is even more important not to have this contract on the books in order to finally have some flexibility when the cap rises.
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I hate to say this but if this is a lost season we may be at the end of an era/ start of a rebuild with a wasted 8 years of having two of the best on the team.
 
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Bryanbryoil said:
It was a way to push the cap hit to next season unless he had another major injury or illness or I suppose completely shit the bed. The thing is that if we don't win because McDavid wants his buddies here at all costs then I hope that he remembers that we kept the likes of Foegele and signed Brown to seemingly keep him happy.

Personally I would send him down for a bit after another game or 2 and see how he and his replacement from the farm does and then maybe call him back up so that he can earn his full pay if his play warrants it.
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At least send him down to work on his game. He’s of no value to this team at any price right now, let alone at what his cap hit is going to cost us next season. Who knows, maybe after a while in the AHL he’ll be able to contribute something. After starting the season with 4 losses out of 5 we need guys playing that can move the dial. You can’t hide a player when everybody is struggling.
 
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Sheikyerbouti said:
It's going to be a major issue next year if we are paying him not to play.

It's only three games but XB, Lavoie, Hamlin and Malone are all better options right now, and none of them are getting paid to play top six.

There is a window for Brown to show that he can still play and he's 1/3 there already. I agree that Brown isn't responsible for the losses, but it's an optimistic take at this point to assume he is going to catch up.

The reason Brown's contract was worth the risk is because he provided a top six skater for near league minimum this season. It definitely takes more than 3 games to hit top level but Brown hasn't hit passable level yet, he has been so far behind the play it's shocking.

I don't think there is even a risk he gets claimed on waivers right now. He looks cooked. Yammo was providing us more, Brown lost his top 6 role after a single game.
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He's haps the entire preseason as well
Not just "3 games"
 
Holland has earned some breathing space from my displeasure with 2 back to back solid seasons and post seasons. But...

There are so many glaring mistakes, especially in tegms of cap management, that I don't know how anyone has faith in him.

I do not expect Holland to send Brown to the minors. Because he ultimately is a bad GM and just doesn't have the balls to send Brown down. This contract is built so poorly I'm not even sure if it was ever intended to be anything more than a way to sign Brown at his bonus level.

But make no mistake. Whether Brown is a part of the problem with the Oilers current bad start is irrelevant. He should/needs to be sent down today. Barring a known season ending injury to McDavid of course.

Sending Brown down sends the correct message to the team. Sending Brown down allows him to work on his game in the minors. If he finds his game in the minors, it allows him to come back to the NHL for a couple games to be reevaluated before his bonuses kick in.

A popular quote from Unforgiven (fixed) "Deserve has got nothing to do with it".

Brown needs to sent down. For the team, for his play, for the cap. He needs to be sent down today.
 
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Aerchon said:
Holland has earned some breathing space from my displeasure with 2 back to back solid seasons and post seasons. But...

There are so many glaring mistakes, especially in tegms of cap management, that I don't know how anyone has faith in him.

I do not expect Holland to send Brown to the minors. Because he ultimately is a bad GM and just doesn't have the balls to send Brown down. This contract is built so poorly I'm not even sure if it was ever intended to be anything more than a way to sign Brown at his bonus level.

But make no mistake. Whether Brown is a part of the problem with the Oilers current bad start is irrelevant. He should/needs to be sent down today. Barring a known season ending injury to McDavid of course.

Sending Brown down sends the correct message to the team. Sending Brown down allows him to work on his game in the minors. If he finds his game in the minors, it allows him to come back to the NHL for a couple games to be reevaluated before his bonuses kick in.

A popular quote from Tombstone? "Deserve has got nothing to do with it".

Brown needs to sent down. For the team, for his play, for the cap. He needs to be sent down today.
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You mean 'Unforgiven' not tombstone right?
 
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