Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[MessierII]

Thats just not accurate. Kostin was healthy scratched a dozen times and spent another 9 games in bakersfield. He missed a handful of games due to injury.

But even in usage, of the 57 games he played here 37 of them were 10something minutes or less. As low as 5mins. This pattern got increasingly evident as season went on and in 12 playoff games Kostin was shorted shifts and minutes and saw a peak of 11 mins despite being one of our more effective and harder to play against forwards. Kostin got only 3mins of toi in 3 of the playoff games and including the last two, which we lost both. Kostin averaged around 7mins in playoffs.

The writing was on the wall.

nor should Kostin be locked in as only a 4th line player. Its not his pedigree. The kid has talent, a shot, excellent skater, and is a mack truck. I give that guy a dozen minutes a night on my team and so would Ronnie Low.

Ok and in St.Louis how many minutes did he play? How many times was he scratched? In Detroit so far he has yet to break even 8 minutes a game and is a scratch half the time. See the pattern here? It’s not a woodcroft thing. Take the oilers goggles off a minute and look at the big picture of his career. Edmonton was by far the best opportunity he ever had.

 

[McDNicks17]

Makes you wonder how much influence GM McDavid has.

A guy that plays the same game as Brown(and better) like Tatar was out there forever, but they prioritized Brown instead.

 

[MessierII]

Makes you wonder how much influence GM McDavid has.

A guy that plays the same game as Brown(and better) like Tatar was out there forever, but they prioritized Brown instead.

How exactly does Tatar play anything like brown though? Does Tatar PK and forecheck like brown? Does he score goals like brown?

 

[McDNicks17]

How exactly does Tatar play anything like brown though? Does Tatar PK and forecheck like brown? Does he score goals like brown?

Tatar is one of the best possession wingers in the league and has scored more goals than Brown.

I couldn't care less about a top6er being able to PK. There's plenty of useless bottom6ers on the team to do that.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ok and in St.Louis how many minutes did he play? How many times was he scratched? In Detroit so far he has yet to break even 8 minutes a game and is a scratch half the time. See the pattern here? It’s not a woodcroft thing. Take the oilers goggles off a minute and look at the big picture of his career. Edmonton was by far the best opportunity he ever had.

meh. You're already wrong in saying Kostin was rarely scratched here.

I see a player, you don't thats fine. I see more than a 4th liner here and his draft, pedigree, and even NHL scoring thus far suggests the kid has more potential than 4th liner.

Its always been a thing in the NHL that if a draft club gives up on a player its hard to find traction and get consideration out there. But teams can find some useful players spotting that.

In Kostin I see shades of Raffi Torres and i always have time for players like that who are nightmares to play against. its hockey, a bloodsport, not bible camp. I'll take a Kostin over virtually anything we parked in bottomsix this season.

Kostin is that rare player in 2023 that plays with some rage. Increasingly that is a more limited quantity. For a Russian player his approach to game is rare.

Tatar is one of the best possession wingers in the league and has scored more goals than Brown.

I couldn't care less about a top6er being able to PK. There's plenty of useless bottom6ers on the team to do that.

Amen. Unless we're speaking a Peca like defender. Which Brown quite clearly isn't. He's not even close to a Pisani.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Makes you wonder how much influence GM McDavid has.

A guy that plays the same game as Brown(and better) like Tatar was out there forever, but they prioritized Brown instead.

The team has made terrible signings long before McDavid even laced them up.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Makes you wonder how much influence GM McDavid has.

A guy that plays the same game as Brown(and better) like Tatar was out there forever, but they prioritized Brown instead.

Yep. In the offseason that was my take. Why land on Brown, a player that hadn't even played for a whole year. Holland and McD got talking Brown and they just went with him and whatever deal would get him here. Myopia at best.

I just don't see how Brown impacts our group. Several players exist that are actual energy players that can turn energy around in games. Guys you always notice.

 

[MessierII]

meh. You're already wrong in saying Kostin was rarely scratched here.

I see a player, you don't thats fine. I see more than a 4th liner here and his draft, pedigree, and even NHL scoring thus far suggests the kid has more potential than 4th liner.

Its always been a thing in the NHL that if a draft club gives up on a player its hard to find traction and get consideration out there. But teams can find some useful players spotting that.

In Kostin I see shades of Raffi Torres and i always have time for players like that who are nightmares to play against. its hockey, a bloodsport, not bible camp. I'll take a Kostin over virtually anything we parked in bottomsix this season.

Kostin is that rare player in 2023 that plays with some rage. Increasingly that is a more limited quantity. For a Russian player his approach to game is rare.


Amen. Unless we're speaking a Peca like defender. Which Brown quite clearly isn't. He's not even close to a Pisani.

I’m not stating my opinion on Kostin here I’m stating the actual facts of how every nhl organization has used him so far. I loved Kostin and his game. I wish he would have taken less to stay but it is what it is. He made his bed now he has to sleep in it.

Again nothing I’ve said here is opinion based. This is the factual info you can look up.

Klim Kostin Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Klim Kostin. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, trade, draft, salary and more on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

Klim in Edmonton played the most games he’s ever played at the highest average ice time he’s ever had. Scored the most goals and assists he’s ever had. Career everything accross the board. Also was used as a playoff regular for the first time ever. Tell me again how woodcroft didn’t give him opportunity?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I’m not stating my opinion on Kostin here I’m stating the actual facts of how every nhl organization has used him so far. I loved Kostin and his game. I wish he would have taken less to stay but it is what it is. He made his bed now he has to sleep in it.

Again nothing I’ve said here is opinion based. This is the factual info you can look up.

Klim Kostin Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Klim Kostin. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, trade, draft, salary and more on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

Klim in Edmonton played the most games he’s ever played at the highest average ice time he’s ever had. Scored the most goals and assists he’s ever had. Career everything accross the board. Also was used as a playoff regular for the first time ever. Tell me again how woodcroft didn’t give him opportunity?

Apparently playing a playing a player 3mins a night in 3 playoff losses was giving an opportunity. The Oilers could have used Kostin on the ice in those games.

Kostin scored 14 goals here on limited minutes which tracks to around 20 goal season. on full season and more usage. That for a young player that plays with pace, energy, that is strong, hits like a truck, fights, and can score goals with a pretty wicked shot.

To you that player is a died in the wool 4th liner. I don't get it. Your view CHANGED just because of the contract ask.

I do think something else could be at work. On ice Kostin always brings it. It is possible however that he's a bit too brash for the staid world of NHL hockey which likes players to stick to script and be a certain way. Kostin is a loose cannon of an interview. Some coaches hate that sort of thing. Not saying its the reason but something weird. Kostin has delivered enough in career to get more looks. The Red Wings were even saying they WOULD give Kostin those looks. Kostin was 3 assists and +4 in preaseason on limited minutes playing with Velano. it wasn't even like he was bad or anything. The line was looking good.

Anyway we won't agree thanks for the convo

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Broberg + Akey is a great starting point. Then you either put Ceci or Kane in there for cap purposes.

Dont disagree that Akey is a great starting point, I am not sure about Broberg as Carolina is in their window as well, and will want someone to push them over the top. I cant see them wanting Kane or Ceci either, they would have to be dealt to someone like a Philly or Chicago looking to take money for draft picks.

Perhaps Carolina struggles and moves Pesce at the TDL vs losing him for nothing this off season and if thats the case you do not move Akey for a short term rental.

 

[MessierII]

Apparently playing a playing a player 3mins a night in 3 playoff losses was giving an opportunity. The Oilers could have used Kostin on the ice in those games.

Kostin scored 14 goals here on limited minutes which tracks to around 20 goal season. on full season and more usage. That for a young player that plays with pace, energy, that is strong, hits like a truck, fights, and can score goals with a pretty wicked shot.

To you that player is a died in the wool 4th liner. I don't get it. Your view CHANGED just because of the contract ask.

I do think something else could be at work. On ice Kostin always brings it. It is possible however that he's a bit too brash for the staid world of NHL hockey which likes players to stick to script and be a certain way. Kostin is a loose cannon of an interview. Some coaches hate that sort of thing. Not saying its the reason but something weird. Kostin has delivered enough in career to get more looks. The Red Wings were even saying they WOULD give Kostin those looks. Kostin was 3 assists and +4 in preaseason on limited minutes playing with Velano. it wasn't even like he was bad or anything. The line was looking good.

Anyway we won't agree thanks for the convo

I actually don’t disagree with much you’re saying honestly. Your and my assessment of the player is pretty similar. I hoped he would be a mainstay on our third line for years to come but the fact of the matter is 3 nhl organizations have used him the same way only Edmonton actually gave him a real look as a regular. I personally would have played him more but I’m not an nhl coach.

Facts are facts though. He got the most ice time and most nhl reps he ever had in his career here in edmonton. That’s not something we can debate it’s an actual fact.

 

[MessierII]

Dont disagree that Akey is a great starting point, I am not sure about Broberg as Carolina is in their window as well, and will want someone to push them over the top. I cant see them wanting Kane or Ceci either, they would have to be dealt to someone like a Philly or Chicago looking to take money for draft picks.

Perhaps Carolina struggles and moves Pesce at the TDL vs losing him for nothing this off season and if thats the case you do not move Akey for a short term rental.

Off topic a bit here. One thing about the season so far I’m surprised no one is talking about is how many goals the canes are giving up.

 

[Soundwave]

There's only one real solution that's workable that I can see, but it's going to involve Holland having to swallow his stupid pride and admitting basically he f***ed up here.

They're going to have to move out one of Kulak or Foegele, probably Foegele and it's probably going to cost a pick but it shouldn't be a high pick.

That way 2.7 million is off the cap, and that 2.7 million can go to Brown's salary this year and not incur as much of a penalty for next year.

But that also means the team's hands are sorta tied at the trade deadline. Maybe you can move out Ceci for a different D, but you're not going to be doing much else.

Not sure how bonuses are applied to which year, like I assume it's at the end of the year how much under the cap you are at the end of the season (?). So we have to get under the cap.

If it's Foegele out, I'd honestly just think about signing Puljujarvi to a league minimum contract. I mean it's not like Foegele ever massively outproduced Puljujarvi. And yes I realize none of this is ideal, but it's the idiotic situation Holland has put us in.

Kane McDavid Drai
Hyman RNH Brown
Holloway McLeod Puljujarvi
Janmark Ryan Erne (lol)

Jackson should insist on this being done so the next GM is not f***ing handcuffed, especially if this season goes sideways. The GM's of this team just cannot help doing stupid shit and getting into these weird situations that now will require something to be done.

 

[tiger_80]

I hate to say this but if this is a lost season we may be at the end of an era/ start of a rebuild with a wasted 8 years of having two of the best on the team.

They have lots of assets. Hyman, Kane, RNH, Draisaitl, not to mention McDavid have a ton of value. They could rebuild fast with a smart GM.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Good news fellas, he ain't hitting the bonuses.

 

[Soundwave]

They have lots of assets. Hyman, Kane, RNH, Draisaitl, not to mention McDavid have a ton of value. They could rebuild fast with a smart GM.

 

[MessierII]

Tatar is one of the best possession wingers in the league and has scored more goals than Brown.

I couldn't care less about a top6er being able to PK. There's plenty of useless bottom6ers on the team to do that.

possession? What corsi? It’s not 2009 man.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

They have lots of assets. Hyman, Kane, RNH, Draisaitl, not to mention McDavid have a ton of value. They could rebuild fast with a smart GM.

I feel like you should get a temp ban for mentioning Draisaitl and McDavid as rebuild fodder. If you can't build a team with the 2 best players in the league...rebuild 3.0 seems like a lofty goal.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Off topic a bit here. One thing about the season so far I’m surprised no one is talking about is how many goals the canes are giving up.

There was an article about that I read today coincidentally. Still early on but it is surprising as they are considered to the Calgary's Heir Apparent to The Best Defence In The League (TM) which I believe should be Colorado anyway.

 

[Spawn]

Good news fellas, he ain't hitting the bonuses.

Huh? He hits 100% of the bonuses in 5 more games played.

 

[Soundwave]

He's going to hit the bonuses barring an injury, which it looks like he is bailing on all contact to make sure he hits his bonus, lol.

The only viable solution I think is to get under the cap by moving out Foegele and/or Kulak if you have to.

It sucks because it will weaken the team, but it is what it is, and this doesn't look like an "all in" year anyway, you can stick that yellow banana up your ass Holland on your way out.

As an aside if we sign Puljujarvi or someone like that, is 775k the minimum cap hit even if they join the team after the season has started?

 

[tiger_80]

I feel like you should get a temp ban for mentioning Draisaitl and McDavid as rebuild fodder. If you can't build a team with the 2 best players in the league...rebuild 3.0 seems like a lofty goal.

When they walk away as free agents, the Oilers may not have much choice.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

When they walk away as free agents, the Oilers may not have much choice.

When they walk away just fold the franchise as the team will never be relevant again.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

He's going to hit the bonuses barring an injury, which it looks like he is bailing on all contact to make sure he hits his bonus, lol.

The only viable solution I think is to get under the cap by moving out Foegele and/or Kulak if you have to.

It sucks because it will weaken the team, but it is what it is, and this doesn't look like an "all in" year anyway, you can stick that yellow banana up your ass Holland on your way out.

As an aside if we sign Puljujarvi or someone like that, is 775k the minimum cap hit even if they join the team after the season has started?

Yeah. He’s bailing on all contact.
my god.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah. He’s bailing on all contact.
my god.

He's avoiding finishing checks. Don't blame him, he needs to hit that 10 game mark played, that's money that puts a roof over his family's head.

We need to get under the cap so Foegele or Kulak or if the season goes totally sideways, both should go.

Then at least we can absorb this idiotic bonus that Holland tied us to.

Also to just general posters, is Nick Ritchie not signed? Why the f*** are we dressing Erne, Ritchie is a better player, sign him.