Oilers should adjust before it‘s too late. If brown is not playing like a 4mn player by the 9th game, waive him and aboid 3.25mn carry over for a fringe player.
Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)
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Mav3rick07
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I agree. If Lavoie or someone else could play just as good as him or if not better, then you might as well swap Brown for someone cheaper.
That's why you waive him now. Give him time in the AHL to find his game. Then we can see what he's like for 5 more games before we yeet him into blackhole.
Bryanbryoil
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I'd give him 2-3 more games to pick it up. If we have to send him down it will be a bit messy so he has to 100% show that he's not worth his cap IMO and not just "he needs 5-7 games to knock off the rust".
Oilslick941611
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Some of you people need to watch The Drop to see what the expectations around Connor Brown are. Holland clearly mentions they don't expect him to come out of the gate swinging and expect him to really come into form mid-late season. Some expectations in are not inline with the franchises.
So in other words you are suggesting that no matter what he does in games 1-9 none of it matters and he will be kept On the roster because he will be better later? Scary thought and I hope not.
MoontoScott
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So in effect its not really a bonus but a guaranteed salary especially when the team says they are not concerned with his early season play? That makes sense because at its heart the deal was a creative way to circumvent this season's cap?
Oilslick941611
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im not suggesting. Ken Holland is. They fully expect him to take time to adjust and get to speed.
Mr Positive
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Part of me thinks that out of pure ruthless need, we may bury Brown if he doesnt look worth the nearly 4 million penalty for next season. Looking at our cap though, I bet we keep him anyway just in case he can pick up his game. If Bourgault makes it next season that covers Brown's overage just fine
He missed an entire year with injury. That’s not an easy bounce back
Woo! Cap penalty meet up year for a guy who looks like he will lucky to even stay on the third line and maybe hit 30 points.
Bryanbryoil
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It was a way to push the cap hit to next season unless he had another major injury or illness or I suppose completely shit the bed. The thing is that if we don't win because McDavid wants his buddies here at all costs then I hope that he remembers that we kept the likes of Foegele and signed Brown to seemingly keep him happy.
Personally I would send him down for a bit after another game or 2 and see how he and his replacement from the farm does and then maybe call him back up so that he can earn his full pay if his play warrants it.
Trafalgar Sadge Law
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Then why structure his signing bonus to pay out completely at game 10?
Oilslick941611
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my guess is they did what they needed to do to get the player and they believe that despite a slow start Brown can be a contributing factor as the year goes on and be great in the playoffs. It's a risk no doubt.
brentashton
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Absolute large risk.
Because of his injury and play status from last season he needs to show continuous improvement each game.
If game 9 isn’t night and day from game 1, bye bye Brown.
This team is in Cup or Bust business. No time for butt hurt feelings and underperforming friends of Connor.
Next 4 games are critical to his career and bank account.
But it’s not. The org clearly expects nothing of him till like midseason. Unless he has a season ending injury right away, he is hitting game 10 no matter what. That cap next year is gone.
Oilslick941611
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I suggest you listen to Holland speak on the topic. He doesn't share your opinion on Brown.
brentashton
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Well unfortunately this organization has a deep track record of being wrong on critical matters, time and time and time again.
If they think this on Brown, well, add it to drafting Yakupov, signing Nurse to 9m, passing on Carter Hart, taking Steve Kelly over Shane Doan, hiring George Burnett as coach…and on and on.
Good grief. Let’s sign this player for 4 million and expect nothing from him for half the season.
brentashton
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I’ve heard him speak. You’re correct. I don’t share his misguided expectations.
I was on record of being in favour of signing Brown, but where we are different is that I expect him to be ready to play and contribute and as I stated, IMPROVE EACH GAME starting from game 1. To expect less sends a dangerous message that seems to have crept into the locker room and on ice play.
In theory as long as he is good in the playoffs that’s all the team wants. But with how we are playing, making the playoffs is no guarantee
CrazyJoeDavola
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I got flamed for saying this everywhere in the summer. This guy is Yams 2.0. Injury prone, same dogged playstyle, same offensive production, only slightly bigger. He's not a top line forward. barely a second line forward who's never scored more than 40pts in his career. He's not better than Yams and I dont understand why the media and everyone was so sure he would unlock our top 6 and set McD off. When will we actually get a bonafide star winger to play with McD other than Drai?
guymez
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Thats a reasonable approach. The man missed most of last season and posters think that 9 games is an appropriate cutoff.
This board sometimes.
alphahelix
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Definitely wont be getting that star winger next year when we are paying 3.25m to Brown to play elsewhere. And have to re-sign several huge ticket guys over the next couple years. We’ll never give McDrai a true star winger, basically. Unless one of them leaves.
McDNicks17
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I think it's a little funny that people think the man who refused to waive Kyle Turris is going to waive someone 9 games after signing him.
Mr Positive
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The structure is just to push the cap hit to next season. I suppose the question then is why game 10 and not game 1?
Perhaps it is for some minimal practical benefit, as in having him able to play at all. Or maybe it is because it just looks like it really isn't based on performance at all if it is only 1 game, and so it might be viewed as not a real performance bonus, and so maybe the league might not approve it.
Have we ever seen a performance bonus that was so bare minimum that it was 1 gp or 1 point? I don't think I've seen it. The token bonuses have always been like 10 points or some other small total like that
Brown likely had offers that had the full 4 million without a performance bonus
alphahelix
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I don’t understand why people think this. If he had an offer for 4M he should have taken it, no way should we be involved in a biding war for a guy coming off a 4GP season.
Connor Brown has never made 4 million dollars for a season in his entire career, and he is a career-high 20 goal scorer, he has 74 points over the last 3 years while he was making 3.6M a season. That is not delivering value on that contract , but now that he is turning 30 and coming off a massive injury during a cap freeze, we should find it plausible that he would be offered 4M on the open market? A Major raise during a dead cap era for a guy who just missed a year is turning 30 and has never scored over 21 goals? We can offer WINGERS the most optimal playing situation available in the world for point production/future earning growth but we always have to pay top dollar?
If someone was drunk enough for that we should have let them make their mistake.
One thing I have learned about Holland is that he is seemingly ALWAys negotiating against himself. At least in the Kane situation he played the agent’s bluff, but every other time he has assumed that there are dozens of phantom bidders during the dead cap era waiting in the wings to outbid us for middle-tier players with multi-million dollar long term contracts. And every dollar on that Kane contract is starting to look a little dubious anyway. Oilers always make it seem so damn hard to make smart decisions and win negotiations/trades. Other teams dont seem to struggle so hard With basic logic and rational decisionmaking.
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