Proposal: Oilers need to trade Lucic

[ScoreZeGoals]

"don't worry guys, Lucic will suck someday, then that contract will be an albatross"

He doesn't even have to suck for that contract to become an albatross, that will happen when those huge extensions go into effect next year

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

A. Not following your logic.
B. Don Sweeney traded Lucic to LA

uh nobody really cares in Boston, and that's what's been reported, he's not coming to any Eastern market, so adios

 

[XXIV97]

I honestly love to have Lucic on the Oilers because of the physical element he brings to the game, his contribution off the ice, and that he's a good 2nd liner (good for 50 points). Yes, he's over payed by about .750 M, but he has such a positive impact on the ice and in the locker room.

And when it gets to the point when Lucic is unable to contribute at an NHL level (2-3 years from now), we might be able to put him on LTIR to save some cap space in the season because of his back condition (Scheuermann's disease), kind of like what the Hawks did to Hossa

 

[GoldenTicket]

He's a 50 point, top line power forward. That's pretty much what 6 million gets you. If he's overpaid it's not by much. Kyle Turris just signed for 6 million a year and puts up similar production.

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

I'd take him on Vancouver in a heartbeat. Let him play with/protect the Sedins for a couple years.

I wish they would trade him to Van. Def would want them to trade for Jonathan Dahlén and Jordan Subban. Obviously Oilers would have to retain some of Lucic salary. But this could be a decent trade.

 

[Donuts]

Change of sceneries for all involved:
Lucic + puljujarrvi for eriksson + virtanen

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Change of sceneries for all involved:
Lucic + puljujarrvi for eriksson + virtanen

Oilers give up the 2 better pieces

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Oilers give up the 2 better pieces

You haven't been here long.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

You haven't been here long.

What? I'm confused

 

[ThePhoenixx]

What? I'm confused

That is the way trade proposals work around here. The other team(or most often the Oilers) always give up the better players.

Edit: For the trolls- Insert Chia joke here

 

[inthe6ix]

No one is touching that albatross contract - he's big and burly, but in a few years that contract is going to look horrible when his body breaks down due to that truculence.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Leon + Lucic for Pacioretty + Galchenyuk/Gallagher + Davidson/Benn

 

[Flamesjustwin]

Lucic has negative trade value, that contract is brutal. I agree the Oilers need to trade Lucic, they can't however.

 

[CraigsList]

Leon + Lucic for Pacioretty + Galchenyuk/Gallagher + Davidson/Benn

Keep dreaming. They aren’t going to trade LD. RNH is more likely.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Lucic isn't the problem. The Oilers as a team are slow as hell, not because of only Lucic. We can improve our team speed without dumping Lucic. He is still a useful player, and by all accounts, a good leader in the locker room.

That said, they way the season is going, he wouldn't be untouchable to me. If someone else wanted him and offered a good player in return, I would take it if I were Chiarelli.

Anyone saying his contract has negative value is out to lunch. He's overpaid, yes, but we see teams taking overpaid guys every year without it being negative value. We won't have to pay someone to take him. He might refuse to leave though.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He's a 50 point, top line power forward. That's pretty much what 6 million gets you. If he's overpaid it's not by much. Kyle Turris just signed for 6 million a year and puts up similar production.

I'd imagine the list of people that prefer Lucic over Turris is pretty small and pretty team oriented.

 

[ManofSteel55]

No one is touching that albatross contract - he's big and burly, but in a few years that contract is going to look horrible when his body breaks down due to that truculence.

I honestly love to have Lucic on the Oilers because of the physical element he brings to the game, his contribution off the ice, and that he's a good 2nd liner (good for 50 points). Yes, he's over payed by about .750 M, but he has such a positive impact on the ice and in the locker room.

And when it gets to the point when Lucic is unable to contribute at an NHL level (2-3 years from now), we might be able to put him on LTIR to save some cap space in the season because of his back condition (Scheuermann's disease), kind of like what the Hawks did to Hossa

Exactly. Teams don't dump productive players because they are overpaid by a million. 50 points costs you 4.5 - 5 million per year most of the time anyway, and with Lucic's physicality and the intimidation factor, the other million is covered. Team speed is an issue, but we have other slow guys we can get rid of to help fix that problem. Guys like Pakarinen (to the AHL once he clears waivers).

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd imagine the list of people that prefer Lucic over Turris is pretty small and pretty team oriented.

Are you talking about fans or GM's? Lucic brings a skill set that very few in the league do, and one that has almost always been shown to be in high demand among NHL GM's. He gets a lot of criticism, but you can bet that if he were available, there would be significant interest from NHL teams even if fans don't like the guy.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Are you talking about fans or GM's? Lucic brings a skill set that very few in the league do, and one that has almost always been shown to be in high demand among NHL GM's. He gets a lot of criticism, but you can bet that if he were available, there would be significant interest from NHL teams even if fans don't like the guy.

Both. Centers are always more valuable than wingers. especially ones that play a good two way game like Turris. And while Lucic plays a game that a lot of teams like, he's a slower player in a faster game, most teams have no shortage of wingers, and he's got a contract and an age that leads me to believe he's probably not as in-demand as Turris.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Lucic isn't the problem. The Oilers as a team are slow as hell, not because of only Lucic. We can improve our team speed without dumping Lucic. He is still a useful player, and by all accounts, a good leader in the locker room.

That said, they way the season is going, he wouldn't be untouchable to me. If someone else wanted him and offered a good player in return, I would take it if I were Chiarelli.

Anyone saying his contract has negative value is out to lunch. He's overpaid, yes, but we see teams taking overpaid guys every year without it being negative value. We won't have to pay someone to take him. He might refuse to leave though.

How many players in the league that aren't on their 1st/2nd deals that have signed in the last 3 years not overpaid? Why do I say that last 3 years? Because guys who signed those mega deals years ago are probably making below or at league average for their position and would definitely sign for a ton more now (ie. Doughty and Quick). Kopitar has 28 points in 26 games and I'd say he's overpaid.

 

[ManofSteel55]

How many players in the league that aren't on their 1st/2nd deals that have signed in the last 3 years not overpaid? Why do I say that last 3 years? Because guys who signed those mega deals years ago are probably making below or at league average for their position and would definitely sign for a ton more now (ie. Doughty and Quick). Kopitar has 28 points in 26 games and I'd say he's overpaid.

I'd say 80% of guys signed as unrestricted free agents are "overpaid". If not overpaid, they are at the absolute top of the pay scale for a player of their caliber. The other 20% are guys who sign for peanuts because they don't know if they will get a deal at all - older guys playing on year to year contracts, role players who see an unexpected jump in production.

If the Oilers wanted to trade Lucic and he agreed to waive, it wouldn't be a problem to find interested teams. It might be difficult to find interested teams with the type of player we are looking for with salary that makes the deal possible for both sides, but there would be no shortage of GM's who would want Lucic.

 

[kurt]

That old, slow, useless cap dump has 10 points, is + 2, and has 40 PIM in 14 games since Nov 1.

Extrapolated over 82 games, that's 59 points, + 12, and 234 PIM - or one of the best power forward seasons in recent memory.

Weirdly timed, OP. Weirdly. Timed.

Or you could say strike while the iron's hot, cuz he sure doesn't pass the eye tests for putting up seasons like you're extrapolating.

PS - not sure how the PIMs are a positive quality.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I'd say 80% of guys signed as unrestricted free agents are "overpaid". If not overpaid, they are at the absolute top of the pay scale for a player of their caliber. The other 20% are guys who sign for peanuts because they don't know if they will get a deal at all - older guys playing on year to year contracts, role players who see an unexpected jump in production.

If the Oilers wanted to trade Lucic and he agreed to waive, it wouldn't be a problem to find interested teams. It might be difficult to find interested teams with the type of player we are looking for with salary that makes the deal possible for both sides, but there would be no shortage of GM's who would want Lucic.

Exactly my point. And who knows, lockout is coming after the 2019 season, maybe teams will get another compliance buyout. He's still a legit 2nd line player. $6 million isn't bad for someone like that. The length is killer though.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

I'd take him on Vancouver in a heartbeat. Let him play with/protect the Sedins for a couple years.

Boooo!

 

[Lukin1978]

If Lucic gets to 50 points the contract doesn't look that bad