They still defend Green for reasons no one understands.
Post-Game Talk: Oilers def. Canucks in season opener, 5-3 (Pettersson, Miller, Kuzmenko)
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They still defend Green for reasons no one understands.
Yes. He seems to have been quite chummy with the media. I recall at the end of the 2020-21 it was basically unanimously assumed by the media that Travis Green should be re-signed. There was basically no question at all as to whether he was a good coach or not. I remember how infuriating I found this. In a season where Travis Green coached the team to a 23-29-4 record it was assumed by the media that he should be re-signed.
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It wasn't just the record.
It was 4 seasons of terrible (non-existent?) systems play where our gameplan appeared to just be crossing our fingers and hoping for Vezina goaltending. And 4 seasons of absolutely atrocious player development.
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That's absolutely false, you can clearly see the bias against Vancouver on national games while they praise Toronto (and other teams) at every opportunity they can. You need more cheerleading and advocacy from local reporters to offset eastern bias.
John and John are as neutral as it gets and that's the problem, you need more Canuck advocacy from their perspective like other regional broadcasters. Then you have Drance who acts like a wife beater towards Canucks, Sekeres who likes to act as Gossip girl for the Canucks, and Donnie/Dhali (don't even get me started on their boomer takes).
Ian MacIntyre and Ben Kuzma are soft but they are also less influential. Sat Shah and Harman Dayal that more into sniffing their own gas and getting sonu haircuts than reporting quality journalism.
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Well that confirms it. Bovinder Horvati/Hindustan Smyl/etc it is.
John Garrett is neutral? He’s one of the biggest homers I’ve heard. Even as a Canucks fan I can recognize that.
Absolutely there's a bias against Vancouver nationally.
It isn't remotely the 'job' of local reporters to be cheerleaders to make up for it. But actually - despite your claims to the contrary - that's what they've mostly done.
Drance is barely negative. Like, if you think Drance represents 'negativity' you haven't paid a lick of attention to what flies in any other market.
And this team has been absolute horseshit for 8 years - one of the most dysfunctional messes on and off the field in NA pro sports. Any unbiased reporting of this team over that time should have been *profoundly* negative. And it wasn't. It was mostly just asskissing of incompetence.
There was one guy who was accurately reporting on what was going on here, and then he died.
Mr. Canucklehead
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We have media and management threads to dissect those topics - let’s keep this one focussed on tonight’s game. Thank you.
No one is saying the team hasn't been dog shit... they are not dog sh!t this season, and legit have a chance in the division. It is just over looked how trying the last 2 seasons were, ignoring the run in the 2020 playoffs with the same core. So basically the media here ignores 2020 as if it never happened. It did. It showed the core has the ability to take the team deep. They had sh!t luck with Covid, injuries, scheduling, and coaching. Those have been resolved aside from injuries, but that is something many teams deal with. Some don't. Calgary dealt with it at the worst time and were gone in 5 vs the Oilers.
The media here never ever talks about those factors. Not even a bit. They fluff it off like it is a non factor. I implore you to watch the 32 thoughts podcast with Quinn Hughes. He talked about how tough the covid breaks and regulations were here in BC. Huge, huge impact on the team.
Edit: Sorry didn't see the redirect until after it was posted.
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… Drance has acknowledged there’s a chance. His assessment has been pretty fair. Could finish anywhere between 5-2 in the division, and anywhere in the low 90s-low 100s in points. He questions the depth on defense and still would bet that CGY/EDM/VGK finish higher in the div.
I don’t know what of that is unfair.
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The Oilers Defense is not better, as is the Knights, while the Flames D is excellent, they also are not the offensive juggernaught they were last season, who btw, got career years. Does he really expect Huberdeau and Kadri to have a repeat of 115 and 87 points? not an effing chance!! It's like he can't use the last 60+ games under BB where the Canucks used the quick north south puck up the ice from the D example from last season, yet will use the last season for the other teams. By this account the VGK will prob regress as they are an aging, avg goaltending team, as they missed the playoffs.
All of those teams are not miles ahead of the Canucks. Vancouver has the best goalie in the division, arguably best D man, better depth... I mean it's like he expects the Canucks to regress on all counts!
Anyways, game time: Canucks 5-4 over the oil. Petey steals the show, and Hughes controls the game. Demko makes the saves Campbell cannot.
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Drance is largely focused on a range of outcomes, and probably correctly believes that the Canucks do not have as high a ceiling as some of those other rosters, which they don't. If things fall correctly for the Oilers or Flames, they could win the Cup. The Canucks chances at a Cup this year are so outlandish, nobody even discusses it.
The issue, as I gather it, Drance sees with the Canucks is that there is not a lot more you can squeeze out of this roster. You have already seen effectively the best of it over the tail-end of last season, and it's still not likely good enough to do much of any damage even if it makes the playoffs.
He still gives the team a 50-50 shot at the playoffs, but doesn't see much upside outside of that, which isn't exactly a hot take.
I feel like Pettersson and Kuzmenko are going to fly out of the blocks with a huge game.
But I also expect McDavid will fly out of the blocks against this blueline.
Likely a high-scoring game.
But I also expect McDavid will fly out of the blocks against this blueline.
Likely a high-scoring game.
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Game is at 7PM PST because the Leafs-Habs game will probably have a 40 minute introduction filled with circus acts acts which includes a slowly sung national anthem.
Pre-game will feature many reminders to wager the results on Bet99 because enjoying a hockey game isn't complete without burning money!
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theguardianII
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Career years? Isn't that what the Canucks are expecting again? Hasn't Demko already been hurt in pre-season already?
Whatever, the Canucks are depending upon more players having career years than Edmonton or Calgary combined. So McD and Dras only get 100 points each or Markstrom only get 7 SO's this year. Kadri only get 65 points and Huberdeau only gets 100 pts that team is a defensive juggernaut. Their 5/6 demen are Canucks top 4
Edmonton gets 50 shots on goal, no Myers to stop the speedsters and force them wide or win the board battles or kill penalties.
Last change makes a difference
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2020 was an once in a lifetime exception. Look at that team that was iced for the regular rules play in round. 12 mil over the cap. Minnesota was not allowed to do that.
Two years have passed since then and they still lost more games than they won, with mostly the same group and healthier with fewer injuries.
You do know the team won games without Hughes and got better PP results using OEL there too
New season, same essentially the same players.
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I say this in a nice way but the problem for most people is that they can’t assess their own teams with the same objectivity they assess others with. That’s how every fanbase talks themselves into their team doing better than what they usually do. Hell, if you look at the perceived pessimistic HFVan regular season projections, the team has consistently underperformed them for the past seven years sans 19-20 when they finished as a bubble team (17th) and met expectations.
Huberdeau and Kadri probably won’t repeat their production, no. But they’ve added Weegar and still have an elite goaltender and good depth at goalie.
The canucks weren’t good at getting the puck quick up the ice last year under BB. Rutherford has commented as such.
I don’t agree that Vegas defense is worse than ours. I think that’s a really bad take. Obviously there are some large variables in terms of what their winger depth and how Thompson can produce. If he’s below average, you wonder if they’ll be able to outscore teams consistently.
With Edmonton, again, you’re talking about a forward group that outperformed ours and still added Holloway and Kane since the start of last year. Their PP will be better with 97 than ours - I think that is indisputable. I think Campbell is a horribly risky bet. He seems fragile, and I think Edmonton media believes his lowest of lows will be less frequent & not as low as Smith’s but Smith was quietly consistently average last season. Campbell had some BAD stretches. And yeah, the awful defense.
Anyways, I think you’re still also mishearing what Drance has said. like when you say “you don’t think they are far off x and y” - Drance agrees with you. I don’t think any media member thinks this division has a Colorado. I think most really like Calgary, but after that, the disparity on paper between EDM/VGK/VAN/LA seems to be relatively minimal. Also have to keep in mind that there are also 5 teams in the central div that think they’re making the playoffs and that means the wildcard spots will be a dogfight.
Like when I see people say that Van is comfortably better than x and will finish in y, usually that’s some sort of combination of belief that a lot of the following will go right in no order
1. OEL-Myers having their best individual/pairing output seasons in years will sustain
2. Schenn will sustain his play
(these are all 30+ D with a lot of miles)
3. Hughes makes another leap
4. Depth is better
5. Demko will be vezina tier or top five at worst.
6. Boeser will bounce back
7. Petey is getting ~100 points
8. Miller continues to be above PPG
9. PP operates around a top five level
10. Hog/Podz make leaps.
11. Kuzmenko surprises (although expectations are now high)
12. Garland adds more consistency to his game
13. Pearson plays like he did last year instead of continuing his previous 3-5 year trend where he plays well for a long stretch and then looks awful for other long stretches.
14. Mikheyev continues to offer offensive production close to his outputs from last year and that his lines don’t tank offensively with him (as has historically been the case).
15. PK isn’t historically bad.
16. Health
17. BB continues to be one of the best regular season coaches in the NHL
18. Team culture on/off the ice improves
19. Ryp is the goodest of boys (confirmed, can mark this one off the list)
Reality is that not everything will go the way people sell themselves on it going. Usually it’s somewhere in the middle. Some people stagnate, some people improve, some get worse, some injuries happen, some pucks bounce the way you want them to.
Is there a world where we win the division after CGY and the other teams have some of the above go against them and we hit on a majority? Sure. I just wouldn’t bet on that being likely.
I think we’ll be in that 14-19 range.
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If the players can develop some chemistry and play like a team, they should be able to make the playoffs. This is with the expectation they'll be losing some of their better players for periods of time due to injury. If they can't, the team will founder on the back of a terrible defense. It's not just the defending that impacts the team, but the ability to collect and transition the puck to make use of what on paper looks to be a somewhat dangerous forward group.
I have no idea what to expect other than Pettersson looks really engaged and Kuzmenko and Podkolzin also look promising.
While I'm a bit disappointed with management, It's incredibly comforting knowing we've moved on from the past regime. Thus, I do feel more enthusiastic for the club and am curious to see how they'll adapt as the season progresses.
Pretty stoked to watch the game.
As for the media ... well, they strike me more as entertainers than thinkers, who's audience is certainly not me. A collection of thick individuals who seem to share a superficial take on the game. They're arrogant sycophants acting as though they're in fear of losing their jobs.
Edit* I want to add that its vital that Miller works diligently to make the players around him better. If he puts his effort into trying to dominate games on his own, the team will be in a world of hurt. He's a player that can really make or break this teams fortunes (as small as their upside may be).
I have no idea what to expect other than Pettersson looks really engaged and Kuzmenko and Podkolzin also look promising.
While I'm a bit disappointed with management, It's incredibly comforting knowing we've moved on from the past regime. Thus, I do feel more enthusiastic for the club and am curious to see how they'll adapt as the season progresses.
Pretty stoked to watch the game.
As for the media ... well, they strike me more as entertainers than thinkers, who's audience is certainly not me. A collection of thick individuals who seem to share a superficial take on the game. They're arrogant sycophants acting as though they're in fear of losing their jobs.
Edit* I want to add that its vital that Miller works diligently to make the players around him better. If he puts his effort into trying to dominate games on his own, the team will be in a world of hurt. He's a player that can really make or break this teams fortunes (as small as their upside may be).
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Man...with the Canucks beat-up blueline, McDavid raring to go, and Harnaryan on the call, this has the ingredients to be a truly awful national broadcast.
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I was actually asking when the Leafs-Habs game starts. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.
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