Speculation: Offseason Thread XVII: Trade a spade for a jade

[Ghost of jas]

Ugh practically giving away our arguably most valuable asset for a guy could walk in 12 months time or get overly expensive.

If Shattenkirk is the target, I'm going to say that, given the Yandle experience, a deal would only be completed if the Rangers could sign him to an extension. That's what Jay from Jersey has been saying all along.

 

[silverfish]

Corey Pronman ranked the Rangers at #28 in the organization rankings. The Rangers lack top players outside of Buchnevich. The overall depth is not bad. It could be worse. They moved up one spot from last season. Progress.

Don't think it's the worst thing in the world to have a below-average prospect pool when you've had the runs the Rangers have had recently, and are potentially icing a lineup on opening night whose avg forward age is 25. Look at our lineup. Our prospects are terrible because we've graduated and held on to a solid majority of them.

This narrative around the Rangers being old and having no future is terrible.

 

[darko]

If Shattenkirk is the target, I'm going to say that, given the Yandle experience, a deal would only be completed if the Rangers could sign him to an extension. That's what Jay from Jersey has been saying all along.

Depends what that extension is.

7/49 no thanks. 6/36 and you've peaked my interest.

 

[Kovalev27]

Nichushkin as much as I like him hasn't proven he's a top 6 scoring winger in this league not nearly the same as Zibanejad for brassard where we get bigger stronger faster younger while giving up 10 pts from last season.

That's only reason they made that deal they didn't deal brassard for prospects.

Honka and nikushkin would be awesome at the trade deadline if this thing fell apart and we were sellers. We aren't. Right now we have an elite goaltender a crazy amount of skilled forwards and one glaring hole in the top 4 on right D. That's what we need to fill its not a rebuild.

 

[RangerBoy]

Yeah probably something like 7/49. That's a bad deal.

It's been reported on more than one occasion about that being a deal Gorton does not want to make.....

 

[darko]

It's been reported on more than one occasion about that being a deal Gorton does not want to make.

Great news IMO.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Yes, but he was not professional after all these years in my opinion, and let his own frustration and poor performances in the end of this year since he called out L. Brooks. And you can`t do that after so many years in the NHL - you just ruin your own career reputation, and that is just sad for him. He was a good player earlier in his career, and I hope others will remember him for that and not the end of season drama.
And I was happy for him, because he struggled with concussion as well in the past, and that is why it was better for him to retire.

What does his lashing out at Brooks last year have to do with your original point or the fact that he was a good player for us in the first year of his contract?

 

[Kovalev27]

And yes if Shattenkirk deal does finalize it would be with an extension in mind.

Which could be what is holding things up I don't know but it will be telling if nothing happens in next few days.

Again though I expect zucc not Nash to be the main piece

You guys can forget Dallas that's not a thing

 

[Gardner McKay]

And yes if Shattenkirk deal does finalize it would be with an extension in mind.

Which could be what is holding things up I don't know but it will be telling if nothing happens in next few days.

Again though I expect zucc not Nash to be the main piece

You guys can forget Dallas that's not a thing

If we trade Zucc for Shattenkirk without some how getting rid of Girardi or Staal I change my vote on the off season success to Gorton being a ******* idiot.

Zucc for Shattenkirk would be a tremendously bad deal for us.

I do agree with you though that Dallas is a pipe dream. I don't get why people still hold out for a rebuild when it is obvious (as a few of us have said) that they are going for a retool. Trading Zucc + Klein for a struggling prospect in Nich and a guy that has yet to become an NHL regular is an atrociously bad deal for us.

Unless its Zucc + Klein for Nich + Honka + 1st, I want no part of it. Even then I wouldn't do it because this team can compete again and going for a rebuild with this roster is a dumbass idea.

 

[I Eat Crow]

There is a buyout period between the end of the season and the expansion draft. I can see things going down a few ways.

Say Shattenkirk or Trouba are the targets.

Trouba scenario #1: Rangers acquire Trouba. Sign him to a long term contract, like 6-7 years. Staal or Girardi get bought out in the buyout period before the expansion draft. Everyone gets protected, but the Rangers carry dead salary around for 6+ seasons. Unlikely.

Trouba scenario #2: Trouba is acquired by the Rangers. Signed to a 1 year deal worth $5 million or so. Trouba still remains an RFA. Rangers sign him to a multi-year deal in summer 2017. Rangers therefore don't need to protect Trouba, since he's an RFA.

Shattenkirk scenario #1: Rangers acquire Shattenkirk. Signed to a multi year contract. Rangers do the same as Trouba scenario #1 and buy out Staal or Girardi. Carry around dead cap space for the length of the acquired defenseman's contract. Blegh.

Shattenkirk scenario #2: Rangers acquire Shattenkirk. Pay a lower price because they do not extend Shattenkirk. They do this in order to not have to protect him, as he will be a UFA at the time of the expansion draft, therefore being able to protect everyone. The Rangers play with fire in this scenario though, as they hedge their bets on Shattenkirk extending here after the expansion draft and before July 1.

If you ask me, Trouba scenario #2 would be my course of action, all things considered.

 

[Irishguy42]

There is a buyout period between the end of the season and the expansion draft. I can see things going down a few ways.

Say Shattenkirk or Trouba are the targets.

Trouba scenario #1: Rangers acquire Trouba. Sign him to a long term contract, like 6-7 years. Staal or Girardi get bought out in the buyout period before the expansion draft. Everyone gets protected, but the Rangers carry dead salary around for 6+ seasons. Unlikely.

Trouba scenario #2: Trouba is acquired by the Rangers. Signed to a 1 year deal worth $5 million or so. Trouba still remains an RFA. Rangers sign him to a multi-year deal in summer 2017. Rangers therefore don't need to protect Trouba, since he's an RFA.

Shattenkirk scenario #1: Rangers acquire Shattenkirk. Signed to a multi year contract. Rangers do the same as Trouba scenario #1 and buy out Staal or Girardi. Carry around dead cap space for the length of the acquired defenseman's contract. Blegh.

Shattenkirk scenario #2: Rangers acquire Shattenkirk. Pay a lower price because they do not extend Shattenkirk. They do this in order to not have to protect him, as he will be a UFA at the time of the expansion draft, therefore being able to protect everyone. The Rangers play with fire in this scenario though, as they hedge their bets on Shattenkirk extending here after the expansion draft and before July 1.

If you ask me, Trouba scenario #2 would be my course of action, all things considered.

Being UFA/RFA has nothing to do with whether you need to be protected or not for expansion, AFAIK

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah probably something like 7/49. That's a bad deal.

Yes, but, that's more likely the price he'd get on the open market. I think if the Rangers were to trade for him before he hits free agency, the terms would be lower.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Being UFA/RFA has nothing to do with whether you need to be protected or not for expansion, AFAIK

Doesn't it have to do with a certain number of games played?

 

[Ori]

What does his lashing out at Brooks last year have to do with your original point or the fact that he was a good player for us in the first year of his contract?

I was one of the few fans who was excited when we aquired Dan Boyle, because I hope he could fix our PP issues.
But it was not a simple solution - maybe I had too high hopes or wish too much from him as a player.



I don`t understand your reasoning about my original point - I didn`t evaluate his first season here of his contract even though he did well. You need to have a different mindset and do things differently as a professional player even though he is only human. I was happy, because he had concussion issues and it was better for him to retire. We still have holes to fill in our D core when Boyle retired & Yandle moved.

 

[silverfish]

Even then I wouldn't do it because this team can compete again and going for a rebuild with this roster is a dumbass idea.

One more move to make.

Make sure Girardi never touches the ice, and replace his minutes with someone who can play at the NHL level.

Could really be as simple as just playing McIlrath 82 games over Girardi.

It won't be that simple, though. It's never that simple with this team.

McDonagh - Klein (mixed usage)
Staal - McIlrath (heavy d-zone starts)
Skjei - Holden (offense and on the fly)
Girardi (keep players who are scratched for Glass company and in high spirits. Veteran presence).

 

[offdacrossbar]

not sure zucc alone gets you nuke and honka.

if I'm dallas, I'm looking for an add on our part for sure. honka is a really good looking prospect.

not so sure I'm that in love with the big russian unless nash is heading out the door the other way.

do we need more forwards really ?

and as far as honka goes, sure he's smart and a slick skater/passer and would love to add him- he would be our best defensive prospect immediately, is he ready for prime time now ? he's smallish and his defensive game is average at best.

is he ready to be a top 2 pair guy right now ?

 

[RangerBoy]

If we trade Zucc for Shattenkirk without some how getting rid of Girardi or Staal I change my vote to Gorton being a ******* idiot.

Zucc for Shattenkirk would be a tremendously bad deal for us.

I do agree with you though that Dallas is a pipe dream. I don't get why people still hold out for a rebuild when it is obvious (as a few of us have said) that they are going for a retool. Trading Zucc + Klein for a struggling prospect in Nich and a guy that has yet to become an NHL regular is an atrociously bad deal for us.

Unless its Zucc + Klein for Nich + Honka + 1st, I want no part of it. Even then I wouldn't do it because this team can compete again and going for a rebuild with this roster is a dumbass idea.

How is that a rebuild? The Rangers have coveted Honka and he is the answer to all of their issues on D. What did you say? I would bring up trading Brassard and people would scream the Rangers are not trading him. Let's wait a few months into the season and Honka is playing in the NHL. Gorton has said he wants to make the younger. Acquire as many young players as possible. Get more skill and speed. The Rangers are winning this season? Really?

 

[Kovalev27]

He won't get 7 and 7 from the Rangers but will get similar to yandle's deal prob 6.5 or so is my guess guys that's what dmen make at least ones that have legit talent in all 3 zones unlike Staal and Girardi.

I'd gladly sign him to that number. Build championships in goal on the Blueline and up the middle. Wingers mean very little and we have a truckload of them. Losing zucc won't hurt us at all.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Being UFA/RFA has nothing to do with whether you need to be protected or not for expansion, AFAIK

I thought players without a contract did not have to be protected. I belive I'm wrong actually, with that 40 game rule in place. Disregard my post then. A Staal or Girardi buyout is a must to protect everyone.

 

[Irishguy42]

Doesn't it have to do with a certain number of games played?

It mostly has to do with GP, which Trouba is going to meet regardless of the team he's on.

Anyone with less than two years of pro hockey experience are exempt, but Trouba is beyond this.

All in all, Trouba would need to be protected either through selection, or his next contract has an NMC. Otherwise, he will be exposed.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers traded a #1 and Duclair for Yandle. They do not re-sign Yandle and then trade more assets for Shattenkirk and give him at minimum the Yandle deal.

 

[Irishguy42]

I thought players without a contract did not have to be protected. I belive I'm wrong actually, with that 40 game rule in place. Disregard my post then. A Staal or Girardi buyout is a must to protect everyone.

In context to signing Trouba to a one year deal (for 2016-2017 season): It wouldn't matter, as the expansion draft would happen within the duration of the contract anyway.

 

[darko]

not sure zucc alone gets you nuke and honka.

if I'm dallas, I'm looking for an add on our part for sure. honka is a really good looking prospect.

Zucca and Klein.

I can see them definitely being interested in Klein.

 

[silverfish]

The Rangers traded a #1 and Duclair for Yandle. They do not re-sign Yandle and then trade more assets for Shattenkirk and give him at minimum the Yandle deal.

If Girardi and Staal are gone, I see no reason why this team shouldn't add Shattenkirk.

 

[darko]

Am i alone in thinking that Yandle was a slightly better player than Shatty?