Speculation: Offseason Thread XVII: Trade a spade for a jade

[smoneil]

IF they moved Klein as part of something for another RHD, I think it's more likely things would go like

McD - Acquired player
Staal - McILrath
Skjei - Girardi

Holden

with McILrath having to defend his spot from Holden and possibly being on the bubble with it

I honestly think we are starting to overrate Skjei. He's only got a dozen NHL games under his belt, and he looked shaky in several of them. Right now, I'd guess the pairings are more like:

McD Klein
Staal McI/Girardi
Holden McI/Girardi

Skjei could very well start the season in the AHL. People on here have him penciled in on the first pair RHD or bumping out guys with a lot more experience. I just don't see it happening.

 

[smoneil]

Trading for Fowler and then pairing him with McIlrath might at least provide some comedic value

Only if they got burned three times for a Tarasenko hat trick the first game they played together.

 

[Trxjw]

I'm surprised we can't move Staal to Winnipeg that's basically home for him (although I wouldn't blame him for never wanting to go back there)

Basically home in the way that Buffalo was basically home for me growing up on the east end of Long Island.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Given our need for Right D and the apparent fact that RD are harder to obtain than Gold Chocobos...

Why don't we just slot McDonagh in at RD? He's played it before on the world stage and proved to be quite capable. I could tolerate Staal-McD or Skjei-McD as a pairing. It also assumes that Girardi is a healthy scratch every night, with Klein and McIlrath playing 2nd and 3rd pair RD. Worth a shot, right?

 

[Thirty One]

Fowler is Tom Poti 2.0.

Except he's not good.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Given our need for Right D and the apparent fact that RD are harder to obtain than Gold Chocobos...

Why don't we just slot McDonagh in at RD? He's played it before on the world stage and proved to be quite capable. I could tolerate Staal-McD or Skjei-McD as a pairing. It also assumes that Girardi is a healthy scratch every night, with Klein and McIlrath playing 2nd and 3rd pair RD. Worth a shot, right?

Lmao, A+ reference.

I wouldn't move McDonagh to RD based on his history of shoulder injuries alone. I know, he could suffer the same thing playing on the left side but he'll me much more vulnerable on the right side.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Let me answer your question with a question.

If they have those seasons and we are trying to trade them both, which do you think teams would be willing to pay more for? The guy who has size and can play in all situations, or the guy who has bounced around from team to team because he's a one trick pony?

I guarantee you that Nash will return way more than Pirri. If Pirri has a 20/20 season, we might get a 3rd for him.

I don't know that I'd want to trade Pirri. If he plays a full season as a middle six winger, why should we want to trade him? He's only 25 and he has an excellent shot. Besides PMD's, the second biggest need for the Rangers is probably snipers. Thats what Pirri is. A pure goal scorer with a really good shot.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Nash to the west? Nash + Kline to Nashville for Ellis + 1st + Arvidsson

 

[Charlie Conway]

Given our need for Right D and the apparent fact that RD are harder to obtain than Gold Chocobos...

Why don't we just slot McDonagh in at RD? He's played it before on the world stage and proved to be quite capable. I could tolerate Staal-McD or Skjei-McD as a pairing. It also assumes that Girardi is a healthy scratch every night, with Klein and McIlrath playing 2nd and 3rd pair RD. Worth a shot, right?

It's silly to put McD on the right and scratch Girardi...a $5.5 million scratch, and that ruins any potential for him to reclaim some value for the hell of it.

 

[Trxjw]

So with Shattenkirk being a UFA in the summer, what's to stop the Rangers from trading for him, then Shattenkirk wanting to "test the market" only to just re-up with the Rangers after the expansion draft? Ethics aside, is there some sort of rule in place for that?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

1. I think Lundqvist absolutely would get claimed. Las Vegas would need to dress a team, hit the salary floor, sell tickets.
2. It seems like this plan involves sitting down with these players and convincing them they're worthless. Not sure that's wise.

It seems to me that most are more concerned about potentially losing a 32 year old Kevin Klein than I am.

1. Maybe, maybe not about Hank. If for some reason Gorton wants to try to get creative, he should explore the possibility with Hank. Talk to other teams, talk to McPhee, figure out whether or not Hank would get claimed in an expansion draft.

2. This is how the NHL salary cap era works. Older players on big contracts have no value, whether they are good or bad players. I think anyone should be able to realize that. Obviously Staal and Girardi would have to go along with that, but if for some reason Gorton can guarantee they don't get picked in the expansion draft and they agree to it, I don't know what the Rangers or the players have to lose. I'm not that concerned about keeping Klein either, but the Rangers should keep possibilities open. Maybe McIlrath has an excellent season. Maybe Holden does. Maybe the Rangers want to trade for a defenseman that would need to be exposed.

 

[Thirty One]

So with Shattenkirk being a UFA in the summer, what's to stop the Rangers from trading for him, then Shattenkirk wanting to "test the market" only to just re-up with the Rangers after the expansion draft? Ethics aside, is there some sort of rule in place for that?

I don't even think it's ethically questionable.

 

[Charlie Conway]

So with Shattenkirk being a UFA in the summer, what's to stop the Rangers from trading for him, then Shattenkirk wanting to "test the market" only to just re-up with the Rangers after the expansion draft? Ethics aside, is there some sort of rule in place for that?

I would imagine they'd try to have something in place, but there's going to be UFAs no way you slice it.

The teams are going to need to have enough players to meet the requirements, so they're going to lose something either way.

 

[Thirty One]

1. Maybe, maybe not about Hank. If for some reason Gorton wants to try to get creative, he should explore the possibility with Hank. Talk to other teams, talk to McPhee, figure out whether or not Hank would get claimed in an expansion draft.

Seems like a lot of work and risk to make sure you can protect ... who?

 

[Mac n Gs]

Fowler is Tom Poti 2.0. Wouldn't take him for Nash unless they added a #1.

We're getting Keith Yandle back!?!?

Edit: The teams with the most cap space at the moment (via generalfanager) are Carolina, New Jersey, Buffalo, Anaheim, Florida, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Boston.

I still think a fair value trade can be made with Carolina for one of their young dmen, but I'm not sure if Gorton would want to deal within the conference again. Is Calgary a dark horse here? They wouldn't move Dougie after one year, would they?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fowler is Tom Poti 2.0. Wouldn't take him for Nash unless they added a #1.

Lol Fowler wishes.

He's Marc Staal levels of bad.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't know that I'd want to trade Pirri. If he plays a full season as a middle six winger, why should we want to trade him? He's only 25 and he has an excellent shot. Besides PMD's, the second biggest need for the Rangers is probably snipers. Thats what Pirri is. A pure goal scorer with a really good shot.

That wasn't the point. The point was, who would have more value in that situation. Besides that, the entire argument is based on a projection that Pirri has never achieved and is unlikely to achieve this year. For all we know, he'll end up in Hartford.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Seems like a lot of work and risk to make sure you can protect ... who?

It would make less sense with Hank, the defenseman it could make more sense with.

I don't know how much work it is, but its Gorton's job to conduct business with other GM's and do his best to be as creative with constructing the roster as possible. If it works, it could benefit the Rangers.

How much risk is involved depends on the conversations Gorton has with McPhee and other GM's. Its at least worth exploring.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Fowler isn't god like the Ducks fan claim he is..but damn some of you are underrating him in here. He is a decent #3 dman who puts up points.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Fowler isn't god like the Ducks fan claim he is..but damn some of you are underrating him in here. He is a decent #3 dman who puts up points.

Thats what I think, and while he's a left shot, he can play the right side. He'd be a really good addition to the Rangers. Pair him with Staal.

The problem with trying to acquire him is that Anaheim fans seem to want to value him as a 1D or pretty close to it. If Murray is valuing him the same way, we can't give up what a 1D costs.

 

[Thirty One]

It would make less sense with Hank, the defenseman it could make more sense with.

I don't know how much work it is, but its Gorton's job to conduct business with other GM's and do his best to be as creative with constructing the roster as possible. If it works, it could benefit the Rangers.

How much risk is involved depends on the conversations Gorton has with McPhee and other GM's. Its at least worth exploring.

Yeah, I have no problem exploring every avenue for not having to protect Staal and Girardi in the expansion draft. It might be as simple as saying "you're going to be on the team next year, do you want Klein to be too?"

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fowler isn't god like the Ducks fan claim he is..but damn some of you are underrating him in here. He is a decent #3 dman who puts up points.

He's a gong show in his own end and most of his production has come off of playing on the PP with great players.

He had like 9 points at ES last season and has never been a good point producer at ES.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Yeah, I have no problem exploring every avenue for not having to protect Staal and Girardi in the expansion draft. It might be as simple as saying "you're going to be on the team next year, do you want Klein to be too?"

Hopefully Girardi is bought out or traded and we wont have to worry about him waiving

 

[Mr Clutch]

Are there any rhd that are completely off the radar that we could land? Yandle was a surprise to nearly everyone. Maybe we do something like that again? Thought on potential players?

 

[TheGuarantee]

He's saying IF Pirri had a 20-20 year

Pirri's best year was also last year when he went 14-15 in 61 games, so he's within spitting distance of a 20-20 year

If you're basing it off of that; Rick Nash is a season removed of 50 goals. But yeah you're both right lets keep the guy who sucks at every facet of hockey besides shooting the puck

And yeah agree with the guy who wants to keep Lundqvist unprotected as well. Do better.