Speculation: Offseason Thread XVII: Trade a spade for a jade

[Doctor King Schultz]

nm, i see he replied to someone...i dont usually look at that stuff.

I had the same problem at first. I hope if we trade players out west they don't end up being traded back to our division like with Hagelin.

 

[Thirty One]

If a team really wanted to find a loophole for the expansion draft, they could have all their big contract players in their 30's waive their NMC's, and put themselves into the expansion draft. Girardi, Staal, even Hank. Yeah, he's really good, but what team wants his contract in two or three seasons? No one. What incentive would Las Vegas have to pick him over younger goalies who could be better in two or three seasons when they will be stuck with his contract?

It's just a matter of how creative Gorton can get. I don't see why any of them wouldn't waive their NMC's to head into the expansion draft if they were guaranteed to remain a Ranger, unless its a pride thing. They'd be helping out the team by letting the team protect other players with lesser contracts that teams are more likely to covet. The problem becomes can Gorton guarantee them that they will stay a Ranger. Can he reach an agreement with McPhee that none of these players will be picked? Will that agreement cost a draft pick or two? Will it be free? How well can he read the market on what McPhee plans to do for the expansion draft?

1. I think Lundqvist absolutely would get claimed. Las Vegas would need to dress a team, hit the salary floor, sell tickets.
2. It seems like this plan involves sitting down with these players and convincing them they're worthless. Not sure that's wise.

It seems to me that most are more concerned about potentially losing a 32 year old Kevin Klein than I am.

 

[Thirty One]

excuse my ignorance, but when has Pirri every been a 20-20 player...?

He accidentally slipped a zero in there

 

[TheGuarantee]

Okay, so answer me this.

Pirri has a 20-20 season with 40 points. Nash had a 25-25 season with 50 points. Pirri is a RFA at age 26, Nash has one more year left on his deal at age 33 before he hits free agency. Why are you keeping Nash?

Again pass the dutchie. Pirri's best year he went 22-2-24

Pirri is good at one thing and that's shooting the puck. Rick Nash is much better at that than Pirri but can also play the game of hockey.

You keep Nash because you want to field the best possible team.

Also added to the fact Nash with 1 year left still has trade value regardless of his season.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Nash out west. Dman involved. Trouba? Fowler? Lindholm?

Someone younger than those guys, maybe? Like Montour, Dougherty, etc.

Dumba is another possibility. And, obviously, Shattenkirk is also in the Western Conference.

 

[Levitate]

Again pass the dutchie. Pirri's best year he went 22-2-24

Pirri is good at one thing and that's shooting the puck. Rick Nash is much better at that than Pirri but can also play the game of hockey.

You keep Nash because you want to field the best possible team.

Also added to the fact Nash with 1 year left still has trade value regardless of his season.

He's saying IF Pirri had a 20-20 year

Pirri's best year was also last year when he went 14-15 in 61 games, so he's within spitting distance of a 20-20 year

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Nash out west. Dman involved. Trouba? Fowler? Lindholm?

Someone younger than those guys, maybe? Like Montour, Dougherty, etc.

Lmao dream big I guess.

 

[Thirty One]

Eh, but can you waive your NMC and then rescind that after the draft? I don't think so...so the players would have given away their NMC and exposed themselves to being moved otherwise.

Which is a benefit to the team but unlikely players would do that

I think, if the team agrees, you can write a NMC in at any point in time, as long as you're UFA age.

 

[smoneil]

Risto is a fascinating player. A guy beloved as a future elite #1 D-man, yet his advanced stats say otherwise.

I'm looking forward to tracking his career.

I live in Rochester, so I was able to see Risto with the Amerks a few times. I remember being really excited to see him play and leaving with a "meh" sort of reaction. He didn't get burned or anything, but he didn't stand out at all either.

 

[Kovalev27]

Considering JT Miller Jim Vesey are prob the only guys on our team that are actually good shooters and one of them hasn't played an NHL game yet I'm we can find the room for a guy that is a legit goal scorer like Pirri who can also man a point on the PP

 

[TheTakedown]

One thing I'm really stoked about with all this depth is that having redundant bottom-6 players within the organization for the upcoming expansion.

We'll have all of Jooris, Lindberg, Fast, Pirri, Grabner, Gerbe, Jensen, Hrivik, and a few others that are able to be claimed.

Losing ONE of those guys is going to be VERY easy when there are 3 more that can step in and take that measly bottom 6 role.

Assuming Nash is gone, Girardi's clause is waived, and maybe Pirri becomes a bonafide top 9 guy for us and is protected, the best player we could stand to lose is......... Lindberg.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If the Rangers burn any of their more valuable assets (or any assets at all) for Fowler I will be pretty pissed...

Unless Fowler is immediately moved in a package for a better player

 

[Irishguy42]

Lmao dream big I guess.

I mean, that's all we can really do. Dream big, and hope that reality isn't quite so disappointing.

I wonder what D would be moved out. Klein or McIlrath is my guess.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Nash and McI for Theodore! A man can dream!

 

[TheTakedown]

If a team really wanted to find a loophole for the expansion draft, they could have all their big contract players in their 30's waive their NMC's, and put themselves into the expansion draft. Girardi, Staal, even Hank. Yeah, he's really good, but what team wants his contract in two or three seasons? No one. What incentive would Las Vegas have to pick him over younger goalies who could be better in two or three seasons when they will be stuck with his contract?

It's just a matter of how creative Gorton can get. I don't see why any of them wouldn't waive their NMC's to head into the expansion draft if they were guaranteed to remain a Ranger, unless its a pride thing. They'd be helping out the team by letting the team protect other players with lesser contracts that teams are more likely to covet. The problem becomes can Gorton guarantee them that they will stay a Ranger. Can he reach an agreement with McPhee that none of these players will be picked? Will that agreement cost a draft pick or two? Will it be free? How well can he read the market on what McPhee plans to do for the expansion draft?

you could also have these guys waive their clauses, then send a pick to LV for not picking them. Granted, they probably weren't going to pick them, so who knows what the price for this goes, but say you could have Staal and Girardi waive their clauses, and then pay Las Vegas a 2nd rounder to "not pick Girardi or Staal from the rangers".

There are ways around the rules. This has been commonplace for the last 2 expansions

 

[smoneil]

Watch Nash have a bounce back season and the debate will be whether or not to trade Nash at the deadline. The Rangers are a playoff team and they need him to make a "run" at the Cup. The Rangers should trade Nash now that he has reestablished his value and the Rangers are not really a Cup contender.

This is 100% going to happen.

And, if the Rangers are in playoff position at the deadline, they should keep him

What a blunder that would be.

I'm torn. On the one hand, it would be like the Yandle situation all over again. On the other hand, if the team DOES look like it could contend (it did not look like that this past trade deadline), then Nash could be a useful piece in a playoff push (for as much crap that he's gotten about his playoff production--much of it from me--his last two post-seasons have been good. He's on an upward trend the last four years).

I would play it by ear. Put his name in the trade winds. See what offers come back. If he'd bring back multiple good pieces, then pull the trigger. If not, use him for the playoff push.

Decide whether or not to expose him in the expansion draft based on what players are available in FA (ie: if we could use that cap space to chase a more useful player, then let Vegas have him for the last year of his contract).

It's all situational, and we won't know the situation for many months yet.

 

[Kovalev27]

I'm surprised we can't move Staal to Winnipeg that's basically home for him (although I wouldn't blame him for never wanting to go back there)

 

[Levitate]

Trading for Fowler and then pairing him with McIlrath might at least provide some comedic value

 

[Fitzy]

Retaining salary on a Nash trade is a lot less painful long term than retaining it on, say, Marc Staal like some were suggesting.

 

[Kovalev27]

Dumba is another possibility. And, obviously, Shattenkirk is also in the Western Conference.

Those are the only two I think make us a better team by moving either Nash or zucc right now.

 

[BringBackLibertys]

It won't be Ana, they can't afford Nash (budget team), so nash + Dman for fowler is probably not the deal that is out there.

 

[Thirty One]

Trading for Fowler and then pairing him with McIlrath might at least provide some comedic value

Would be a good pairing to shut down Schwarz and Tarasenko in St. Louis, I'd think

 

[Irishguy42]

Trading for Fowler and then pairing him with McIlrath might at least provide some comedic value

I can almost hear Pierre now...

 

[TheTakedown]

Retaining salary on a Nash trade is a lot less painful long term than retaining it on, say, Marc Staal like some were suggesting.

you'd only retain like $1-1.5M on Staal at most. Toronto is doing that with Kessel ($1.2M Retained).

Nash you could do 30-50%, obviously the lower the better

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Fowler is Tom Poti 2.0. Wouldn't take him for Nash unless they added a #1.