Pass. Would not mind picking up Pysyk, but not for a regular in Pearson.
For prospect like Mersch, sure
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For prospect like Mersch, sure
Any upgrade on Schenn at this point. This has got to be the longest offseason ever!
Quattro
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TheBannermen
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Also, apparently the majority of our current players have become completely expendable. Losing and winning are funny things. After the 2nd cup, most here wouldn't package Toffoli and/or Pearson for anything outside of a bonafide star player. Now, they could be had for the likes of Ryan Pulock, Mark Pysyk and Erik Gudbranson. Can't make this stuff up, folks.
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KopitarFAN
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Tarasenko got $7.5M coming off his only 30-goal season (37) at the time, and the Blues were buying more RFA years than Dean and Co. will be with Toffoli.
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The Tikkanen
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I think on HF once you get older than 21 you're a washed up old man. Trade him!
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Once you're on the back end of the prime production curve, you're a terrible player not worth your contract.
It really is mind boggling how all these teams with elite players from 21-26 aren't winning cups repeatedly since they're so much smarter with their contracts and have players in their production primes.
KingCanadain1976
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I wonder if dean would have any interest in signing ufa Sam Gagner for our 3c spot? If we could get him cheap enough ( around 1- 2million) I think he would be a upgrade on dowd and shore Just a thought we were rumoured to be interested in him once.
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I was an advocate for acquiring Gagner, but Vinny was actually the better move in hindsight. He was the ideal 3C, its a shame he's retiring. With the way the cap is, I doubt DL will have the space to address the 3C spot after he deals with the defense and Lucic situation. He's probably hoping one of Dowd or Shore can fill that spot. The team actually played well with Lewis as the 3C last year, but he'll most likely be gone.
The Tikkanen
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26 years old, I thought he was much older than that. That aside Gagner has averaged :01 second of PK ice time the last 2 seasons. Not exactly the type of player you want as the 3C in a Sutter system. Gagner would be better off signing with a bad team and trying to get those PP minutes a 1-2 would see and with an injury to the 1 C he could become the man and flourish points wise. I'm not sure he would even be interested in signing with the Kings if it was available, not enough money, not enough PP ice time.
You guys are missing the point about bringing guys up in the trade discussion.
Do you think Lombardi will take a shot at Yandle in free agency? That doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility. If that were to happen Kings would have to move someone off the left side that currently looks like, Scuderi/Muzzin/Martinez/McNabb/Gravel/Forbort. Depending on cap space it may have to be one of Muzzin/Martinez. Does that mean I hate Martinez, think he's garbage or have shiny new toy syndrome? Just seems like a possible scenario.
Also Lombardi is in a new place. He's no longer trying to hold things together with duct tape. This is the first time he's actually had some control over his cap since the last cup. Last year at this time Lombardi was being forced to hold open cap space pending the result of Voynov's BS. He wasn't able to bring in a replacement because of this. Now that things have settled Lombardi can formulate a new plan. I expect there to be players on the current roster that are displaced by moves that Lombardi will make.
Do you think Lombardi will take a shot at Yandle in free agency? That doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility. If that were to happen Kings would have to move someone off the left side that currently looks like, Scuderi/Muzzin/Martinez/McNabb/Gravel/Forbort. Depending on cap space it may have to be one of Muzzin/Martinez. Does that mean I hate Martinez, think he's garbage or have shiny new toy syndrome? Just seems like a possible scenario.
Also Lombardi is in a new place. He's no longer trying to hold things together with duct tape. This is the first time he's actually had some control over his cap since the last cup. Last year at this time Lombardi was being forced to hold open cap space pending the result of Voynov's BS. He wasn't able to bring in a replacement because of this. Now that things have settled Lombardi can formulate a new plan. I expect there to be players on the current roster that are displaced by moves that Lombardi will make.
It's sad to see Vinny go.
Don't think the Kings need a Gagner type. I'm down for improving the position, but Gagner may not be worth the extra money over Shore/Dowd.
How much does Lombardi want that Logan Brown kid? Not that it's happening. That would fix the 3C and cheap! Maybe not next year though.
KingCanadain1976
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why would he not want to play on a cup contender makes no sense to me. Its more do the kings see him as a fit imo Kings make a offer he would sign no doubts in my mind.
Martyros
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1. tax
2. no cap space
Contention isn't the first thing that comes to a player in his mid-20's.
KingCanadain1976
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He really hasn't played on any winning teams thou. I think that would interest him greatly
KopitarFAN
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I think he could, but as the roster is constructed, they have so many LH D. Obviously, you mention moving one of those aforementioned left shots, only way that makes sense is if they move say Martinez and get back a comparable right shot in terms of ability and money.
The Tikkanen
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Sitting on the bench for 48 minutes a night might not appeal to Gagner. Playing in a Sutter system might not appeal to Gagner. Playing for less money may not appeal to Gagner, his agent or the NHLPA who are striving for bigger free agent deals every summer. I see him signing for a team on the cusp of the playoffs with lack of depth down the middle.
KingCanadain1976
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he doesn't play much more than that now. You would be surprised on how much being on a winner would a boost to him i'm sure. I don't see any team signing him for a better then hes making now contract. If he signs a one year prove i can play on a winner type contract would easily help him get a better contract next year
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Who said that? We have a lot of players that need top-six minutes who are locked up long-term. Here are some basic facts:
1. Losing Lucic would be terrible asset management. Lucic fit in extremely well with the Kings' system and style of play. We need to keep Lucic.
2. It should go without saying, but Kopitar and Carter are untouchable. They comprise arguably the second-best one-two punch in the league. Kopitar is our new captain and Carter has close to the best contract in the league. Both players are locked up until at least 2022.
3. Marian Gaborik's and Dustin Brown's contracts would be very difficult to move (and with Brown, likely impossible). These two players are making too much money to be stuck in our bottom six. If they aren't getting (and producing with) top six minutes, we might as well just trade our assets and start a rebuild now. We won't be able to compete with one-third of our bottom-six eating up over $10 million in cap space.
So we now know a few things. Kopitar and Carter are our rocks, Gaborik and Brown need to produce, and we need to re-sign Lucic.
Lucic - Kopitar - Gaborik
Brown - Carter - xxx
Assuming that Lucic does in fact re-sign, and assuming that contract will be a long-term contract similar to Gaborik, that means that our top-six (barring movement) is basically set in stone until at least the 2020-21 season!
That brings us to our next point: Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli are both due for raises at the end of next season. Thankfully, both of them are still RFAs, which gives the Kings a fair amount of leeway for contract negotiations. The downside is that both of them will be getting raises, and for Toffoli, likely a substantial one. I want to emphasize that I do not want to trade Toffoli or Pearson unless the piece coming back is a young, second-pairing defenseman.
But it does bring up another interesting point. Is there room for both of them in the top-six? If so, who? Are we hoping that an expansion team picks up Brown or Gaborik? That doesn't sound like something we should hang our hats on.
So let's assume, for the sake of simplicity, that the Kings can trade Pearson or Toffoli in a one-for-one swap for a defender of equivalent performance, age, and talent. What would be more useful to the team? Having a top-six winger that plays bottom-six minutes, or having a top-four defender that plays top-four minutes?
If we can find the right defenseman to trade one of those two for, we should do it. No one in the system is promising enough to fill a top-four role. Lombardi hoped McNabb would, but he hasn't shown it yet and I don't want to keep hoping. McNabb is an NHL defenseman, just not one I want to rely on to anchor our defense.
The only other option that I can see is signing a defenseman like Yandle or Hamhuis and letting Lucic walk.
Option One:
We trade Pearson for someone like Mark Pysyk (just as an example).
Lucic - Kopitar - Gaborik
Brown - Carter - Toffoli
Muzzin - Doughty
Martinez - Pysyk
Option Two:
We sign Yandle and lose Lucic to free agency.
Brown - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Muzzin - Doughty
Yandle - Martinez
Option Three:
We sign Lucic and trade Toffoli for someone like Travis Hamonic.
Lucic - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Brown
Muzzin - Doughty
Martinez - Hamonic
Thoughts?
Ziggy Stardust
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I'd rather the Kings not trade Toffoli and Pearson and sign a dman. The Pens may not qualify Justin Schultz, and he was someone the Kings were looking at at the trade deadline. I'd rather take my chances at a guy like him than dealing a young top six forward, which the Kings don't have very much of.
Brown hasn't registered over 30 points in how many years now? Expecting him to be a top six forward at this point in his career is a bit too optimistic, though the team may not have much of a choice if Lucic departs.
Brown hasn't registered over 30 points in how many years now? Expecting him to be a top six forward at this point in his career is a bit too optimistic, though the team may not have much of a choice if Lucic departs.
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I am not overly worried about Lucic.
If he doesn't sign is it poor asset management - yes - but that is in the past. Do we sign him and risk losing Toffoli or Pearson - that would be poorer asset management. Lucic is not a superstar, he is a lunch pail guy who has been slowly regressing and may be the next Clowe, Brown, etc. Yes he has a certain skill and I have always wanted him on the team, but at his age, playing style and contract demands......it scares me.
As for defence I still am wanting to sign Yandle. he is a true offensive star d-man that can run a PP. He is a huge upgrade offensively over Martinez( I love Martinez), but for 2 extra mil a season, he brings a lot that we are missing. A top 3 of Doughty- Yandle, with Muzzin anchoring the 2nd pairing is nasty. Martinez can be traded for everyones precious RHD like Pysyk to help with the 2nd or third pairing. Yandle only costs money, no picks, players, prospects, that helps asset management. We can't afford to spend anymore assets on Hamonic's, Trouba's, etc.
We need skill and speed on the back end and the forward corps. Trading guys like Toffoli and Pearson are just wrong. They are 2/3's of our true top 6 and provide skill.
I know there are people against Yandle, but his signing makes Martinez a great trade asset. He plays enough minutes to play with DD, something we have never really had, and allows Doughty to play his game and not be saddled with being the PP leader.
If he doesn't sign is it poor asset management - yes - but that is in the past. Do we sign him and risk losing Toffoli or Pearson - that would be poorer asset management. Lucic is not a superstar, he is a lunch pail guy who has been slowly regressing and may be the next Clowe, Brown, etc. Yes he has a certain skill and I have always wanted him on the team, but at his age, playing style and contract demands......it scares me.
As for defence I still am wanting to sign Yandle. he is a true offensive star d-man that can run a PP. He is a huge upgrade offensively over Martinez( I love Martinez), but for 2 extra mil a season, he brings a lot that we are missing. A top 3 of Doughty- Yandle, with Muzzin anchoring the 2nd pairing is nasty. Martinez can be traded for everyones precious RHD like Pysyk to help with the 2nd or third pairing. Yandle only costs money, no picks, players, prospects, that helps asset management. We can't afford to spend anymore assets on Hamonic's, Trouba's, etc.
We need skill and speed on the back end and the forward corps. Trading guys like Toffoli and Pearson are just wrong. They are 2/3's of our true top 6 and provide skill.
I know there are people against Yandle, but his signing makes Martinez a great trade asset. He plays enough minutes to play with DD, something we have never really had, and allows Doughty to play his game and not be saddled with being the PP leader.
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