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Ziggy Stardust said:
Looking at the numbers, assuming Scuderi is sent to the minors and Dowd is retained at $600K, the Kings will have roughly $64.4M committed to...

12 forwards: Kopitar, Carter, Gaborik, Brown, Toffoli, Pearson, King, Clifford, Nolan, Shore, Andreoff, Dowd

7 defensemen: Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene, McNabb, Gravel, Scuderi (assigned to minors)

1 goaltender: Quick

1 buyout: Mike Richards ($1.57M cap penalty including his buyout)


Assuming the salary cap is at an even $73M, that leaves the Kings with roughly $8.5M in cap space.

Clearly that's not a complete roster, so there will be some guys who will be graduating from the minors who will cut into that figure. The Kings will have some room to make an addition or two (or three if you count a backup goalie), but it will be tight.
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Can add Mersch and his $786,666 to the attempt at a strictly in-house 23-man roster to sort of use as a starting point.

Likely Forbort as well, if you were to have Scuderi stashed in the minors.
 
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I've been thinking about the whole Stamkos situation. Don't think it's really that far fetched for the Kings.

-Salary: Hawks/Pens showing it can work with 2 players making 10M, so there's no reason the Kings shouldn't be able to make that cap structure work as well.

-Stamkos has been playing in an easy going non traditional, warm weathered market. The weather isn't all that important, but Stamkos' life will be much different going anywhere in Canada or the NE compared to TB. Lombardi might be able to sell LA on him because he could live a more normal life off the ice. There's less pressure in LA.

-Lombardi: He has no doubt fully scouted Stamkos from the 2008 Draft. Lombardi goes after guys he knows, is familiar with.

-Doughty: Could help recruit Stamkos.

Everyone writes off Stamkos to the Kings because, "The Kings are in cap hell". It doesn't actually seem out of this world.

-Also Stamkos would be about 33 coming off a 7 year deal. He could be great in LA for a really long time.
 
Trolfoli said:
I've been thinking about the whole Stamkos situation. Don't think it's really that far fetched for the Kings.

-Salary: Hawks/Pens showing it can work with 2 players making 10M, so there's no reason the Kings shouldn't be able to make that cap structure work as well.

-Stamkos has been playing in an easy going non traditional, warm weathered market. The weather isn't all that important, but Stamkos' life will be much different going anywhere in Canada or the NE compared to TB. Lombardi might be able to sell LA on him because he could live a more normal life off the ice. There's less pressure in LA.

-Lombardi: He has no doubt fully scouted Stamkos from the 2008 Draft. Lombardi goes after guys he knows, is familiar with.

-Doughty: Could help recruit Stamkos.

Everyone writes off Stamkos to the Kings because, "The Kings are in cap hell". It doesn't actually seem out of this world.

-Also Stamkos would be about 33 coming off a 7 year deal. He could be great in LA for a really long time.
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The problems aren't for next season, they are long-term.

1) Toffoli will be due a long-term deal next summer, probably in the $7.5 to 8M range.

2) In the summer of 2019, Dewey will be a free agent (hopefully it gets done the prior summer), he'll probably be looking at north of $10M.
 
KopitarFAN said:
The problems aren't for next season, they are long-term.

1) Toffoli will be due a long-term deal next summer, probably in the $7.5 to 8M range.

2) In the summer of 2019, Dewey will be a free agent (hopefully it gets done the prior summer), he'll probably be looking at north of $10M.
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Cap will probably be heading up. Economy can't suck forever, and there is the expansion.

Toffoli is going to have a raise. This is true. Hopefully closer to 6M, then 7.5-8M. Picking up Stamkos to run at center would push Carter back to the RW. Then you'd have Toffoli/Carter occupying the same spot. One could be moved for cheaper assets.

Gaborik: I'm expecting him to retire at some point and come off the books, freeing up cap space.

Doughty will need a raise, but that's still a few years out. Lots will happen with the roster before then.

On a side note, if Toffoli is looking at 7.5-8M I'd deal him this year. Really hoping he comes in lower then that. Didn't get him signed long term because Voynov was still on the books. Awesome. :shakehead Guess old man (ok he's not there yet) Carter on RW at 5.2 wouldn't be the end of the world.
 
Stamkos is a pipe dream. Maybe if we didn't have Brown's contract, but a lot of maybes exist in which we don't have Brown's contract.
 
Kings can easily free up the space to make it happen, and it would go a long way to recouping the assets Lombardi has spent over the last few years.

Playing in the high pressure Canadian market would be a shock after taking it relatively easy in TB since the draft.

Detroit needs a new 1C, but they're a sinking ship at this point.

One of the New York teams could be a fit.

Stamkos to LA is a bit of a long shot, but it isn't that crazy. Plus it would make the Kings a lot better 2-3 years down the road vs next year and tailing off after. Would fit Lombardi's retool plan.
 
Stamkos should sign a short term 1 year deal as the cap will likely go up after next season. Plus can get easy max money from the Vegas team.
 
i don't see why stamkos would walk away from an extra year and not having to pay income taxes. don't buy it.
 
Trolfoli said:
Kings can easily free up the space to make it happen, and it would go a long way to recouping the assets Lombardi has spent over the last few years.

Playing in the high pressure Canadian market would be a shock after taking it relatively easy in TB since the draft.

Detroit needs a new 1C, but they're a sinking ship at this point.

One of the New York teams could be a fit.

Stamkos to LA is a bit of a long shot, but it isn't that crazy. Plus it would make the Kings a lot better 2-3 years down the road vs next year and tailing off after. Would fit Lombardi's retool plan.
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It is crazy because the Kings would have three players making over $10 million in a few years.
 
i know he's staying

but just wondering would you guys do a Moulson for Brown straight swap with Buffalo?

Moulson's buyout would look like this:

$2,888,889
$2,888,889
$3,888,889
$888,889
$888,889
$888,889

which isn't bad

and perhaps Brown can be an important leader for Buffalo replacing Gionta in that role
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
It is crazy because the Kings would have three players making over $10 million in a few years.
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I don't see this as that big of an issue. As the cap goes up I think we're going to see the top players get more money, while the mid-range filler guys may see slight increases. Leading for more money for the superstars.

Guys like King for example aren't going to make 4M when the cap goes up, because you can find a guy like Mersch to replace them cheaper. Top end players on the other hand will see their money go up because they're hard to replace.

The RHD market: Hamonic/Barrie both look like they're off the market. Trouba is a long shot. Is it time to go bargain hunting for guys like J.Schultz, Wisniewski, R.Murphy? Resign Schenn?
 
KingPuckChoo said:
i know he's staying

but just wondering would you guys do a Moulson for Brown straight swap with Buffalo?

Moulson's buyout would look like this:

$2,888,889
$2,888,889
$3,888,889
$888,889
$888,889
$888,889

which isn't bad

and perhaps Brown can be an important leader for Buffalo replacing Gionta in that role
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I'd do it. The problem is Brown's contract runs 2X as long as Moulson's. Does Buffalo do it?
 
Trolfoli said:
I don't see this as that big of an issue. As the cap goes up I think we're going to see the top players get more money, while the mid-range filler guys may see slight increases. Leading for more money for the superstars.

Guys like King for example aren't going to make 4M when the cap goes up, because you can find a guy like Mersch to replace them cheaper. Top end players on the other hand will see their money go up because they're hard to replace.

The RHD market: Hamonic/Barrie both look like they're off the market. Trouba is a long shot. Is it time to go bargain hunting for guys like J.Schultz, Wisniewski, R.Murphy? Resign Schenn?
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All are weak options. I'd like to see us make a run for Demers, but now that Goligoski has from departed Dallas, they might hang on to him. Lovejoy had a strong post-season, but I'm not sure if that was a once in a lifetime performance. Same thing for J. Schultz.
 
Trolfoli said:
I don't see this as that big of an issue. As the cap goes up I think we're going to see the top players get more money, while the mid-range filler guys may see slight increases. Leading for more money for the superstars.

Guys like King for example aren't going to make 4M when the cap goes up, because you can find a guy like Mersch to replace them cheaper. Top end players on the other hand will see their money go up because they're hard to replace.

The RHD market: Hamonic/Barrie both look like they're off the market. Trouba is a long shot. Is it time to go bargain hunting for guys like J.Schultz, Wisniewski, R.Murphy? Resign Schenn?
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Is the cap going to go up? Wasn't it supposed to be $85 million by now after that Canadian tv deal? It's not even close to that.
 
kings11 said:
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Absolutely no way Lombardi starts the season with that defense. Awful. Somehow some way a 2/3 in the mold of Voynov (on the ice) is coming to LA.
 
Rumor of Pearson for Pysyk. It would be tough to lose Pearson for sure, unless Dean thinks Kempe/Mersch could take his place, but that's doubtful.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Pysyk isn't a top 4 D.
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44 shots on goal in 55 games, that's Norstrom/Aaron Miller territory. Then tack on 37 hits in 55 games and you have an enigma wrapped in a question mark. What exactly is this guy and why would the Kings trade somebody like Tanner Pearson for him?
 
The Tikkanen said:
44 shots on goal in 55 games, that's Norstrom/Aaron Miller territory. Then tack on 37 hits in 55 games and you have an enigma wrapped in a question mark. What exactly is this guy and why would the Kings trade somebody like Tanner Pearson for him?
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Some people are enamored by having a shiny new toy to play with, and apparently the thought of adding an average player has some fans excited.
 
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