Offseason GDT III

[tsanuri]

If I am Lucic I want the guarantee of of expansion protection. 4 years with NMC at 5.5 would be a huge win for LA IMO

I just don't see that. With the rumors being LA offering 4 year at 5.5. And him wanting 6 years at 6. The middle is 5 years at 5.75. So 5 years at 5.5 might get him with the NMC.
Question then becomes do we give him the NMC and is 5 years too much?

 

[YP44]

I wonder if Murphy can be plucked out of Carolina.

They need to make room for Fleury and McKeown (not sure if he is ready), LA and Carolina have a fair bit of history making deals, and Murphy is a young RHD.

Not sure on his contract demands (he is an RFA) or what Carolina's asking price would be

 

[YP44]

I just don't see that. With the rumors being LA offering 4 year at 5.5. And him wanting 6 years at 6. The middle is 5 years at 5.75. So 5 years at 5.5 might get him with the NMC.
Question then becomes do we give him the NMC and is 5 years too much?

Will be interesting to see what kind of middle ground they do find if they find it. Also would be interested to see if a deal does not happen what each sides issue was that they had to have.

 

[YP44]

http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/6/14/because-it-s-the-cap-los-angeles-kings

been reading all of these...I like em.

Edit: After reading the kings one I want to punch the author and regret posting the link on here haha

 

[BigKing]

It wasn't HF Boards smoke. It was widely reported by legitimate sources.

There is a big difference between "trade talks progressing" and "having a trade lined up".

As for Brown, GMs are looking at a cap that isn't moving up much, if at all. That's probably the biggest reason why trade talks with Brown didn't "progress".

Can you do NBA-type deals in the NHL? Like, Lombardi sends the Kings 2020 1st round pick (Top 3 protected) and the 2021 1st round pick (Top 5 protected) and Brown to whoever would accept that, assuming Brown waives the NMC?

I'm not even proposing that, just an example of an NBA trade. Can you trade draft picks that are five seasons down the road?

 

[Trolfoli]

1) Sign Lucic. Watch everyone freak out.
2) Sign Yandle. Run Muzzin/Yandle....
3) If Yandle doesn't work out, trade Carter for Shattenkirk. Watch everyone freak out again.
4) Sign Backes (if trading Carter): He had good chemistry with Brown in the Olympics. If you can't move Brown bring in guys to help him succeed.

-Get Brown a ****ing skating coach. He'd probably be better if he didn't fall down every 5 seconds.

-Make Brown shoot the puck at the net for 30 mins after every practice. If he's going to be one of the team leaders in shots, he needs to work on his shot.

Edit: Trade Martinez if bringing in one of Yandle/Shattenkirk. Try and find a team that wants a LHD next season and doesn't want to wait for a draft pick to become NHL ready. AZ/MTL/Buf come to mind for possibilities. Probably a stretch for Martinez.

 

[YP44]

There is a big difference between "trade talks progressing" and "having a trade lined up".

As for Brown, GMs are looking at a cap that isn't moving up much, if at all. That's probably the biggest reason why trade talks with Brown didn't "progress".

Can you do NBA-type deals in the NHL? Like, Lombardi sends the Kings 2020 1st round pick (Top 3 protected) and the 2021 1st round pick (Top 5 protected) and Brown to whoever would accept that, assuming Brown waives the NMC?

I'm not even proposing that, just an example of an NBA trade. Can you trade draft picks that are five seasons down the road?

Yes you can Lombardi did this with the Sekera trade. he traded Sekera and a first with the first being push a year if LA did not make the playoffs.

As to the ideal of packaging Brown with 2 firsts...**** NO!

 

[tsanuri]

There is a big difference between "trade talks progressing" and "having a trade lined up".

As for Brown, GMs are looking at a cap that isn't moving up much, if at all. That's probably the biggest reason why trade talks with Brown didn't "progress".

Can you do NBA-type deals in the NHL? Like, Lombardi sends the Kings 2020 1st round pick (Top 3 protected) and the 2021 1st round pick (Top 5 protected) and Brown to whoever would accept that, assuming Brown waives the NMC?

I'm not even proposing that, just an example of an NBA trade. Can you trade draft picks that are five seasons down the road?

It doesn't happen in the NHL very often but I know of no rule preventing it. But just take offer sheets by the fact you could lose up to 4 1st you can make a deal there that goes 4 years down the road.

Because of the way the draft lottery was setup before we didn't see deals that protected picks like the NBA. Those should start showing up now.

 

[LAKings88]

http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/6/14/because-it-s-the-cap-los-angeles-kings

been reading all of these...I like em.

Quick overrated?

The term on contracts was due to the cap. The term lowers the hit, hence signing your core pieces that just won multiple cups, to these contracts. Hindsight is 20/20.

Richards non buyout has been Lombardi's biggest mistake.

I don't agree with stripping Brown of the captaincy. LA needs him to have a monster year to maybe entice Las Vegas.

Kings have made there bed. Hoping they don't keep trading 1st overalls unless the player has some term.

 

[YP44]

wonder what Gilbert has left in the tank and if he would take a 1 year low cpa hit type deal.

 

[YP44]

Quick overrated?

The term on contracts was due to the cap. The term lowers the hit, hence signing your core pieces that just won multiple cups, to these contracts. Hindsight is 20/20.

Richards non buyout has been Lombardi's biggest mistake.

I don't agree with stripping Brown of the captaincy. LA needs him to have a monster year to maybe entice Las Vegas.

Kings have made there bed. Hoping they don't keep trading 1st overalls unless the player has some term.

If you just look at save percentage than yes Quick is over rated. However he is a big game goalie who more often than not makes the key save at the key time. I like Quick's cap hit, and term, but there is no doubting he had an average regular season and a below average playoffs. How he is a vezna nominee for this year is beyond me. For past year absolutely.

I will likely get crucified for posting this, but please know I defend Quick to other fan bases a lot. It's kinda like I can say something bad about my sister but if my buddy does that he is an *******.

 

[Kingsfan1]

1) Sign Lucic. Watch everyone freak out.
2) Sign Yandle. Run Muzzin/Yandle....
3) If Yandle doesn't work out, trade Carter for Shattenkirk. Watch everyone freak out again.
4) Sign Backes (if trading Carter): He had good chemistry with Brown in the Olympics. If you can't move Brown bring in guys to help him succeed.

-Get Brown a ****ing skating coach. He'd probably be better if he didn't fall down every 5 seconds.

-Make Brown shoot the puck at the net for 30 mins after every practice. If he's going to be one of the team leaders in shots, he needs to work on his shot.

Edit: Trade Martinez if bringing in one of Yandle/Shattenkirk. Try and find a team that wants a LHD next season and doesn't want to wait for a draft pick to become NHL ready. AZ/MTL/Buf come to mind for possibilities. Probably a stretch for Martinez.

You dont trade arguably your 2nd most talented forward superstar when your biggest challenge is scoring goals not really much defense. Carter makes our team more dynamic as he is a threat on another line. His speed is explosive and has a wicked shot oh and i think he is signed to one of the sweetest deals for the cap era. He is untouchable in my eyes. And will continue being a top goal scorer for us. Toffolis success is in large part due to Carter being on his line as well.

 

[BigKing]

Yes you can Lombardi did this with the Sekera trade. he traded Sekera and a first with the first being push a year if LA did not make the playoffs.

As to the ideal of packaging Brown with 2 firsts...**** NO!

I mean something where the pick is five years down the road, like how the Celtics wound up owning the Nets 1st round picks through the rest of this decade. I'm exaggerating, but not by much if you are a Nets fan.

If I could free up $6MM in cap space at the cost of hurting the team four and five years down the road...I'd do it.

All hypothetical though.

 

[Trolfoli]

You dont trade arguably your 2nd most talented forward superstar when your biggest challenge is scoring goals not really much defense. Carter makes our team more dynamic as he is a threat on another line. His speed is explosive and has a wicked shot oh and i think he is signed to one of the sweetest deals for the cap era. He is untouchable in my eyes. And will continue being a top goal scorer for us. Toffolis success is in large part due to Carter being on his line as well.

Toffoli did just fine with Kopitar.

If the Kings aren't going to be in a position to really take a shot the next 2 years, the question becomes when will Carter slow down?

Kopitar/Carter/VL... last playoffs Kopitar was forced into a shutdown role because Carter/VL couldn't play that. If the Kings get a center capable of playing that role, it means Kopitar can be used in an offensive role and not paired with King. That would leave Carter's position as a 3rd center behind 2 good centers. You could run a young offensive guy there that needs to be sheltered. Carter wouldn't be needed in the role. This would open possibilities. Trading Carter, moving Carter back to the wing, which could displace a winger.

I like Carter, but the Kings don't need him playing a role that they can put a sheltered player in.

I mean something where the pick is five years down the road, like how the Celtics wound up owning the Nets 1st round picks through the rest of this decade. I'm exaggerating, but not by much if you are a Nets fan.

If I could free up $6MM in cap space at the cost of hurting the team four and five years down the road...I'd do it.

All hypothetical though.

I'd rather just do the buyout, keep the first round picks and offset the dead cap space with the young guys that are drafted on cheap contracts.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Why would anyone want a choker like Backes?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

"Because it's the Cap" is a great title

If you just look at save percentage than yes Quick is over rated. However he is a big game goalie who more often than not makes the key save at the key time. I like Quick's cap hit, and term, but there is no doubting he had an average regular season and a below average playoffs. How he is a vezna nominee for this year is beyond me. For past year absolutely.

I will likely get crucified for posting this, but please know I defend Quick to other fan bases a lot. It's kinda like I can say something bad about my sister but if my buddy does that he is an *******.

He's got an artificially lowered save percentage, is the thing.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1999335&highlight=quick

I understand why he's a Vezina nominee this year, though. Made a few pieces of history and 3 thru like 8 are practically indistinguishable otherwise. It's a two-horse race with Holtby and Bishop. But I know what you mean, it's not like it was his best year. But visually, it was easily his 2nd best, he had very few dips in play and was an absolute beast at times when the whole team was struggling and played an IMMENSE workload (games and wins don't get overlooked, for better or worse).

 

[Trolfoli]

Why would anyone want a choker like Backes?

Chemistry with Brown!

Oh yeah... Trouba... looked at the offersheet compensation 5.6-7.5 is only a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. I could see someone threatening an offersheet here, which may make him available. WPG may not want to go over $6M.

 

[BigKing]

I'd rather just do the buyout, keep the first round picks and offset the dead cap space with the young guys that are drafted on cheap contracts.

But what does that do for them this year? You don't save as much cap and it is a number that will follow the Kings around for years.

Who are these young guys?

If this core were a whiskey you wanted to buy, you'd have to ask for help from the cashier with the keys to the cabinet because they'll be moving off the shelf and into that locked glass case within five years.

Should we care that much about the Kings 1st round pick in 2021 v. the 2016-17 roster?

 

[Trolfoli]

But what does that do for them this year? You don't save as much cap and it is a number that will follow the Kings around for years.

Who are these young guys?

If this core were a whiskey you wanted to buy, you'd have to ask for help from the cashier with the keys to the cabinet because they'll be moving off the shelf and into that locked glass case within five years.

Should we care that much about the Kings 1st round pick in 2021 v. the 2016-17 roster?

This year? I believe the correct terminology is, They're ****ed!

Who are the young guys? It doesn't matter. King or Lewis or Shore + Brown's buyout < Brown's salary.

Wait a year or 2, see if Brown can turn it around, if Lombardi can terminate the contract somehow, or just buy it out.

 

[Scottkmlps]

I'm pretty sure he said it was 4 yrs/$5.5 per that the Kings were offering just a week or so ago, now he's changing it to 3/$6

 

[tsanuri]

I'm pretty sure he said it was 4 yrs/$5.5 per that the Kings were offering just a week or so ago, now he's changing it to 3/$6

Both those could be the case. They offered the 4 years at 5.5 but at 6 are only willing to go 6.
Not that I think that is the case but it could be.

 

[YP44]

I mean something where the pick is five years down the road, like how the Celtics wound up owning the Nets 1st round picks through the rest of this decade. I'm exaggerating, but not by much if you are a Nets fan.

If I could free up $6MM in cap space at the cost of hurting the team four and five years down the road...I'd do it.

All hypothetical though.

are you crazy? Yes i think you can but in four to five years if our window is closed we will need our first then more then ever.

 

[YP44]

Both those could be the case. They offered the 4 years at 5.5 but at 6 are only willing to go 3.
Not that I think that is the case but it could be.

Fixed the 6 to a 3 for ya, and then wanted to say I agree.

 

[Trolfoli]

So

Lucic 6M + Carter 5.27 = 11.27M

vs

Stamkos 10M + Assets from trading Carter (ELC/draft picks)


-People are concerned about Lucic losing a step and don't want to go much over 3-4 years, despite only being 28. It's the physical game, although his size may help with the wear and tear.
-Carter is 31 now. He may lose a step by the time he's 34-35. In 6 years would a 37 year old Carter or a 32 year old Stamkos be the better option?
-Stamkos is 26 with a February birthday. He had the blood clot, but after reading it appears this was caused by a bone putting pressure on a vein/artery. Bone was removed and should fix the problem. It shouldn't be a reoccurring issue as some other reasons that cause blood clots. Easy to find the information, google Stamkos.

Next year Lucic + Carter would probably be better. 2-3 years down the road I could see Stamkos + assets from a Carter trade being the better option. Especially if the cap goes up.

 

[kings11]

So

Lucic 6M + Carter 5.27 = 11.27M

vs

Stamkos 10M + Assets from trading Carter (ELC/draft picks)


-People are concerned about Lucic losing a step and don't want to go much over 3-4 years, despite only being 28. It's the physical game, although his size may help with the wear and tear.
-Carter is 31 now. He may lose a step by the time he's 34-35. In 6 years would a 37 year old Carter or a 32 year old Stamkos be the better option?
-Stamkos is 26 with a February birthday. He had the blood clot, but after reading it appears this was caused by a bone putting pressure on a vein/artery. Bone was removed and should fix the problem. It shouldn't be a reoccurring issue as some other reasons that cause blood clots. Easy to find the information, google Stamkos.

Next year Lucic + Carter would probably be better. 2-3 years down the road I could see Stamkos + assets from a Carter trade being the better option. Especially if the cap goes up.

I we were to move Jeff Carter i would have to believe we'd be aiming for a top-4 Dman not picks and prospects, well at least not prospects... I've said maybe Carter+King/Clifford to NYI for Harmonic and a pick but I'm not sure how that works out financially if at all within the salary cap and fill out the roster..

Pearson-Kopitar-Toffoli
Kempe-Stamkos-Gaborik
Brown-Shore-Versteeg
Andreoff-Dowd-Nolan

Doughty-McNabb
Hamonic-Muzzin
Martinez-Gravel

Quick

That lineup pushes us to the cap if not a little over so it doesn't seem financially feasible unless we manage to vanish both Scuderi and Greene's contracts.... and even then its minimal relief...