Choralone
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This likely is not the right thread but how does everyone feel about these
They look like pajamas. No.
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They look like pajamas. No.
cyclones22
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And it's banner night, I'm sure
. Gotta hoist that WCF Champs banner up into the rafters while our guys watch in jealousy.
WHOneedsSOX
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It'll be the same old Kings BS we all buy into. The Kings will talk about how hungry they are and how they're going to come out on fire this season and etc, etc, etc and then they'll go out and get demolished 5-1 with the only goal coming off Brown's head.
tsanuri
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This likely is not the right thread but how does everyone feel about these
No thanks.
But then again I want to go back to Forum blue and gold only.
Anyone got a good scouting report on Nakladal? Could be a cheaper RHD option. But I don't think he is top 4 ready. So I don't think I would take him as he we have enough D-men battling for bottom pairing minutes.
KingsKnight
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Anyone else think we're going to have a good season this year? The pressure is off. We don't have the Cup-every-other-year pressure, we don't have to prove we can make the playoffs like last season, and we're a little more removed from our last Cup and all the player controversies. We have a good team, even with our current holes. I mean, we made the playoffs easily even with those deficiencies. If DL can make the adjustments, we should still be a strong contender. I see us having a season like San Jose had this year, quietly staying in the race and then doing some damage in the playoffs (hopefully if we make it as far as them we'll be able to close the deal though).
Who knows? I'd almost welcome a slow start if it meant the Kings played a better second half this go around.
Yes i think the team as is will have another good season next year. I define a good season as making the playoffs, a great season as advancing in the playoffs, and an amazing season equal to a cup.
I don't know think teams are going to underestimate the kings based one LA not winning the cup every 2nd year, and don't buy that that takes the load of the players. I do agree this is a good team as is, and I am pumped to see what DL can do without distractions.
teams that play their best hockey in the 2nd half seem to do the most damage in the playoffs that's for sure.
Brown @ 3.875M
Carter @ 7.2M
Malkin @ 9.5M
At 4 Brown is a productive player. Cater at a cap hit of 7.2 is not unreasonable. The amount Brown is over paid is about equal to the amount Carter is under paid.
Chris Kunitz is making 3.85M and is 36. Pens could throw him in the deal if they want. Also similar to Brown's cap hit if you take off about what Carter is underpaid.
I don't see the issue. Of course everyone will overreact and scream Brown is over paid, then discount how good Carter is and probably say he's not worth 5M.
Then factor in Malkin is going to have a short list of teams he wants to go to. All of them will be contenders and probably tight against the cap.
-Rangers are in the same division and are probably out of the running.
-Det: Could use him, but do they have a center to send back?
Min: Koivu is 33, only signed for 2 more years, do they have a center to send back?
-FLD: could make a splash if they're on his list of teams. Bjugstad going back maybe?
-NSH: Would have interest, but are they on Malkin's list?
-Blues: I'm sure would have interest, Lehtera is signed for 3 years and is the only center the Blues have that isn't a UFA in 2 years or less.
-Ducks: Internal budget and are already losing guys on D this year. Maybe Getz/Kesler. Getz makes about the same $ wise as Malkin. Getz for Malkin could work. Does either team do it? (Mt. Baldy should really endorse Getz, sorry random thought)
Just like the Kessel trade, the market might be so small that the trade gets forced a little. Hypotheticly if there are only 5 teams on Malkin's list, and only 1 or 2 of them can make the cap work, and want to make the sacrifices necessary, if they want to move him, they may have to make the best deal possible. Carter is right up there at the top of the returns due to what's available. I'd say Getz would be better, Kesler worse.
KingsKnight
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Agreed. We kind of did it backwards this season. Pittsburgh got hot at the right time and look what happened. Hopefully we can focus our progress leading up to the playoffs, if/when we make it.
RHD? Is he better then Greene/McBain/Schenn? Sign him right ****ing now!
Ask me again in July. Lots of crazy things swirling around right now. Probably have to see where it shakes out. I'm optomistic as long as trade or injuries don't result in something like
Forbort/Doughty
Muzzin/Gravel
McNabb/Ebert
deeshamrock
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OK, I've warmed up to the Malkin/Stamkos idea.
Malkin has a 9.5M cap hit. Anyone see a way that works without Brown going back? So Carter + Brown for Malkin + Schultz (ok maybe not Schultz). Brown is over paid, Carter is under paid. It's also said that Crosby does well with grinders (Brown).
Insuring Stamkos' next contract is going to be tricky. The insurance company won't likely want to cover the blood clots or related issues, which would leave a team in a tough spot. Then Stamkos does have a lot of talent. Could work out great, could end up costing Kempe to dump a Horton style contract on the Leafs.
Looking a couple of years out, moving Cater back to wing and bringing in 2 centers might be a good idea. Carter's play will start to drop at some point. Moving him back to wing gets the Kings depth at C in case of injury. Kings have Kempe (Might be a wing)/Amadio that might pan out, but it would make sense to bring in a couple additional candidates. It is after all a numbers game. You don't know who will pan out so throw multiple guys at the problem and see who works out.
The problem with moving Carter back to right wing is Toffoli. Not that they have to play the same place, but the cap is going to be the issue. They are both going to making 5-6M in the near future. Carter is more versatile (C/W), but older.
So yeah... if it takes the Kings 2 years to get back to cup contention and the next window is 3-5 years out, Carter may not fit that as a 2C.
Carter + Brown as a package. Due to age you're looking at a contending team that has a 10M dollar hole to fill. Pens with Malkin. Detroit with Datsyuk + cap dump. Maybe Rangers with dumping whatever they're going to dump this offseason. Maybe there's hope to move Brown using Carter and then sign Stamkos!!!!
That won't get you Malkin, not even close. And the Pens are at close to 74M for next year, they need to shed $$ taking on 11 M to lose 9.5 ? I think they'd want a package that starts with a young top 6 player, and at least another top young player or grade A prospect and a 1st rounder. Don't forget that the Pens , over the last several years, they've traded away draft picks and prospects like crazy, their pipeline is a bit depleted. That's what they'll be looking for, I think. And as good as Bonino, hagelin and Kessell were, that could be their 2nd line. As suggested in another article I read today on this subject, as aggressive as the Florida panthers have been , and given their are overloaded with talented young forwards and prospects, and in the mode to win in the next few years, they could put a nice package together and have a lt of room under the cap.
I think this will be an interesting month between the predraft moves, draft moves and Free Agency, esp with the CAP probably not moving much if at all.
RHD? Is he better then Greene/McBain/Schenn? Sign him right ****ing now!
Ask me again in July. Lots of crazy things swirling around right now. Probably have to see where it shakes out. I'm optomistic as long as trade or injuries don't result in something like
Forbort/Doughty
Muzzin/Gravel
McNabb/Ebert
Depends on the type of Dman. he is more of a puck mover than Greene and does not have the healt concerns and is younger.
I like him over McBain.
He will be cheaper then Schenn.
Raccoon Jesus
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great, we're going to be there for banner ni....oh!
I still think back to how many games last year a team said "We played our best game of the year" vs. the Kings. People still get up for us. Would be nice if they didn't!
NMC. Florida could put some nice pieces together, but if they aren't on the list, it doesn't matter.
Return: I get they would like nice young/cheap talented guys coming back. Malkin will go to a team that he thinks can be competitive in the playoffs. There are not many of those teams that have the pieces you are talking about. Also most of those teams are against the cap and won't be able to take Malkin's cap hit on without giving back a salary dump. If the Kings had those pieces (good, young, cheap) there's no way on a cap team I would trade them for a 10M player.
Florida is about their best shot right now. If they are in fact an option. Malkin does like fishing so maybe Florida will work. For some reason I have that picture of Malkin holding up the fish burned into my mind and I can't seem to erase it. So the return from Florida would be Bjugstad since I doubt they move Barkov or their other C that just broke out and other pieces. Would Bjugstad be a better 2C then Carter next year behind Crosby?
Brown/Carter/Malkin are all signed until 2022 (or the website just hasn't listed anything beyond that yet.) All 3 may be in the retirement home by the time their contracts are up. I wouldn't say Brown or Carter are more risky then Malkin.
Edit: I also see Carter as the perfect fit for the Pens style of play. He's at the right point in his career if they want to compete now. If they want to take a step back and bring pieces in for the future, then it isn't as good of a fit.
great, we're going to be there for banner ni....oh!
I still think back to how many games last year a team said "We played our best game of the year" vs. the Kings. People still get up for us. Would be nice if they didn't!
agreed
tsanuri
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great, we're going to be there for banner ni....oh!
I still think back to how many games last year a team said "We played our best game of the year" vs. the Kings. People still get up for us. Would be nice if they didn't!
Don't want a target on your back don't win 2 cups in 3 years.
I'll take the cups and that target, thank you!
Raccoon Jesus
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deeshamrock
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Agree and he is aware that the teams on the top of his list are the ones that can't afford him. So a revised list is not out of question (at least according the the TSN media guy on the podcast). And he does want to win and Florida is a team on the rise, should be a team that has a shot going deep for the next several years.
Carter is a talented player , no question, but from what I've read, heard, the Pens want younger players, and maybe there is a good fit for them out there. I don't see Carter at 32 being what they want first choice. Under 25 is what they'd want and I wouldn't give up Trocheck either and although he's not GM anymore, I still think he's got an active voice in their moves, I can't see Tallon moving him either.
Also up to what Rutherford would want, might not be a center...
AlphaBravo
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What? You think the Penguins are going to trade one of the top 5 or 8 best players in the NHL in Malkin to the Kings and get a cap dump of Brown in return in the package? That will never happen in a million years no matter how you spin it. Brown's cap hit is $6 million a year until 2022. Pens will never take that trade even if Carter is coming back at a reasonable cap hit.
If you want to make a serious offer to the Pens for Malkin it looks more like this: Toffoli, Kempe, 2017 1st (and that might not be good enough either). Or its something like Pearson, Carter, 2017 1st. As much as I would like Malkin on this team, I would not be willing to make either trade, which only gets the conversation started.
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