Offseason GDT III

[YP44]

Like Jack Johnson?

JMFJ was a 3OA pick and was only available because the hurricanes did not want to wait for him to be done college.

 

[YP44]

Geno on the move, LA bound?

Normally, given the source, this would be just reading fodder, however the rumors of the Pens moving Malkin have been around for a couple of years and in the past few months, since mabye March, I have heard and read it on TSN and Sportsnetca from more reliable sources. That if the Pens won the CUp, they'd most likely move Malkin and his contract. Problem might be the list he has for those teams , the teams that are at the top have CAP issues, but apparently, LA the Hawks and the Wild are the early favorites.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...ry-to-Cgy-e4-Stamkos-Deadline-Buzz--2/1/77514

I guess that would depend on who DL would move and how much of that contract the Pens will eat.

Of course, I still think DL's first priority is defense, and what that would cost. If they wanted Geno as well, that would take moving someone one with some $$.

Honestly do not see how LA would fit his cap hit. Would have to give Carter ++ and at that point is it worth it?

I love blockbusters but I highly doubt LA is on him.

 

[deeshamrock]

Honestly do not see how LA would fit his cap hit. Would have to give Carter ++ and at that point is it worth it?

I love blockbusters but I highly doubt LA is on him.

I think DL's first priority remains getting a top D, but you never know what a GM thinks when a choice is put before him. If the Pens ate part of Geno's contract and the salary/cap was in the range, Malkin being a more talented player and 2 yrs younger, is DL tempted to trade Carter on a separate deal to clear space? Maybe. I wouldn't because Malkin has injury issues that have plagued him for last what, 6 of 7 years? I don't think he's played a full season since the first Cup in 2009? But you never know...

 

[YP44]

From Freidman's 30 thoughs: "current clubs will also have to offer a goaltender who’s under contract for 2017-18 "

LA needs to sign Budai to an extension to expose him. Currently only Quick would fit the above criteria.

 

[YP44]

I think DL's first priority remains getting a top D, but you never know what a GM thinks when a choice is put before him. If the Pens ate part of Geno's contract and the salary/cap was in the range, Malkin being a more talented player and 2 yrs younger, is DL tempted to trade Carter on a separate deal to clear space? Maybe. I wouldn't because Malkin has injury issues that have plagued him for last what, 6 of 7 years? I don't think he's played a full season since the first Cup in 2009? But you never know...

Carter had injury issues before coming to LA too. I wouldn't due it just do to effect on depth elsewhere from lack of space

 

[deeshamrock]

Carter had injury issues before coming to LA too. I wouldn't due it just do to effect on depth elsewhere from lack of space

Not really, he played 80 or more games in 4 of his 6 yrs in Philly. The only significant time was once, he missed 14 games in his 2nd year. Malkin has missed significant time almost every year since 2009.

Depth is a concern as well as $$, with Toffoli's 6.5 to 7 M looming , Pearson's money among others and Doughty's contract expiring in 2019.

 

[KopitarFAN]

From Freidman's 30 thoughs: "current clubs will also have to offer a goaltender who’s under contract for 2017-18 "

LA needs to sign Budai to an extension to expose him. Currently only Quick would fit the above criteria.

Here is the Quote:

23. Now that the NHL is starting to disseminate information about an expansion draft, details are seeping out. One of the biggest changes from where things started to where they finished is players with a no-move clause will have the option of waiving it. Another is that players with NMCs expiring by July 1, 2017 do not have to be protected. This will be a huge relief to a team like Arizona, which won’t have to waste a spot on Chris Pronger.

Other rules we are learning (and credit to Francois Gagnon of RDS, who was the first to get many of these details): Teams must offer at least one defenceman and two forwards who are under contract for 2017-18. Those players must have played a minimum of 40 games in the NHL in 2016-17 or at least 70 games in the NHL from 2015-16 through 2016-17. Current clubs will also have to offer a goaltender who’s under contract for 2017-18 or an RFA-to-be in 2018. Of the 30 players selected, at least 20 must be under contract for 2017-18. There is a minimum per position. For example, the new entry/entries must pick at least three goalies.

The NHL also tried to pre-empt various shenanigans. While the new team(s) can trade anyone taken, none of the players can go back to their previous club until January 1. There will also be no buyouts of anyone selected until after the first expansion season. Finally, there will be a guaranteed spot in the draft lottery for four years.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-remembering-greatness/

 

[YP44]

This likely is not the right thread but how does everyone feel about these

 

[theMajor]

I kinda like those actually

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

This likely is not the right thread but how does everyone feel about these

What colors would they be? Black/white and silver still?

 

[Trolfoli]

Was Doughty a big physical veteran d-man when Sutter started coaching the Kings? What about Voynov & Martinez? This delusion about who Sutter can coach is a little far fetched.

Were Mitchell/Greene/Regehr/Scuderi? Although I don't think you'd call Scuderi physical though.

Doughty is doughty. Sutter did make comments about getting Regehr or Mitchell back to carry that second pair with Voynov.

Sutter's whole plan relies on leaning on the defense. If he doesn't have a defense he can lean on, I have seen nothing that makes me believe he can adapt to win games. The Kings current defense isn't one that can be leaned on and it isn't likely to be one next year either.

Also Sutter has shown difficulty with working certain types of players into the lineup. This has been well documented. So yes I'd say he struggles coaching certain types of players. While Voynov was getting ice time, I seem to remember Martinez being benched so Sutter could roll out the Mitchell/Greene pairing.

Not sure who is delusional here.

 

[YP44]

I kinda like those actually

I like them but they look like the team North America to me

 

[Trolfoli]

Geno on the move, LA bound?

Normally, given the source, this would be just reading fodder, however the rumors of the Pens moving Malkin have been around for a couple of years and in the past few months, since mabye March, I have heard and read it on TSN and Sportsnetca from more reliable sources. That if the Pens won the CUp, they'd most likely move Malkin and his contract. Problem might be the list he has for those teams , the teams that are at the top have CAP issues, but apparently, LA the Hawks and the Wild are the early favorites.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...ry-to-Cgy-e4-Stamkos-Deadline-Buzz--2/1/77514

I guess that would depend on who DL would move and how much of that contract the Pens will eat.

Of course, I still think DL's first priority is defense, and what that would cost. If they wanted Geno as well, that would take moving someone one with some $$.

I can't really see it happening. The Pens would have to really want to move him because the Kings couldn't really afford to give up much for him asset wise. I'd look at a return similar to what Kessel got. About the only way this happens is if the Pens GM is sick of dealing with the cap.

Also I wouldn't want to give up Carter in the trade. No doubt that would be the ask, but I'd much rather shift him back to the RW. Kings would lose 4M in cap space between Carter and Malkin if the 2 were swapped. (not suggesting 1 for 1)

Defense may also be the first priority, but if you can pick up someone like Malkin maybe you can put that off a year. It may come down to what's currently available and what works for the long run.

I would like to see either the Hawks or Pens offer something for the Kings to buyout Scuderi. It would save them both 600k against the cap this year, cost 250k next year and the ice time could go to Fobort or Gravel.

Edit: Why trade for Malkin when Stamkos is free and would cost about the same cap wise?

 

[theMajor]

Edit: Why trade for Malkin when Stamkos is free and would cost about the same cap wise?

Malkin is on an entirely different level

 

[YP44]

I can't really see it happening. The Pens would have to really want to move him because the Kings couldn't really afford to give up much for him asset wise. I'd look at a return similar to what Kessel got. About the only way this happens is if the Pens GM is sick of dealing with the cap.

Also I wouldn't want to give up Carter in the trade. No doubt that would be the ask, but I'd much rather shift him back to the RW. Kings would lose 4M in cap space between Carter and Malkin if the 2 were swapped. (not suggesting 1 for 1)

Defense may also be the first priority, but if you can pick up someone like Malkin maybe you can put that off a year. It may come down to what's currently available and what works for the long run.

I would like to see either the Hawks or Pens offer something for the Kings to buyout Scuderi. It would save them both 600k against the cap this year, cost 250k next year and the ice time could go to Fobort or Gravel.

Edit: Why trade for Malkin when Stamkos is free and would cost about the same cap wise?

because in order to bring in stamkos LA would have to move people out anyway. Plus Stamkos will likely get a bigger cap hit, and who knows if Stamkos's contract will be insurable.

 

[Butch 19]

This likely is not the right thread but how does everyone feel about these

seriously? they're terrible.

Adding color won't even help.

 

[lumbergh]

Geno on the move, LA bound?

Normally, given the source, this would be just reading fodder, however the rumors of the Pens moving Malkin have been around for a couple of years and in the past few months, since mabye March, I have heard and read it on TSN and Sportsnetca from more reliable sources. That if the Pens won the CUp, they'd most likely move Malkin and his contract. Problem might be the list he has for those teams , the teams that are at the top have CAP issues, but apparently, LA the Hawks and the Wild are the early favorites.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...ry-to-Cgy-e4-Stamkos-Deadline-Buzz--2/1/77514

I guess that would depend on who DL would move and how much of that contract the Pens will eat.

Of course, I still think DL's first priority is defense, and what that would cost. If they wanted Geno as well, that would take moving someone one with some $$.

Sounds impossible. Do the Kings even have assets to trade that the Penguins would want? What a dream if Lombardi could pull it off.

 

[cyclones22]

In commemoration of the season officially being over and in celebration of both Cup anniversaries, I watched the Kingsvision DVD and the Miller/Fox calls from the booth of Game 6 in 2012. Still makes me get emotional. Especially when Fox can barely hold it together and starts wiping his eyes. People can get on him for being too celebratory on calls now since the titles, but I don't give a ****. That dude's alright with me.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Confirmed by Jon Rosen, Kings open the season October 12 (Wednesday) in San Jose. Home opener October 14.

 

[redcard]

From Freidman's 30 thoughs: "current clubs will also have to offer a goaltender who’s under contract for 2017-18 "

LA needs to sign Budai to an extension to expose him. Currently only Quick would fit the above criteria.

Don't think that'll be an issue, there's got to be dozens of guys out there with at least 2 years pro that would have no problem signing a 1 year NHL deal even if they knew it was because the team needed someone to expose, and they would be in Ontario for the year when they don't get drafted i.e. Budaj.

Worst case scenario, we sign Billy Ranford to a 1 year deal and he re-retires the day after the draft.

 

[Trolfoli]

OK, I've warmed up to the Malkin/Stamkos idea.

Malkin has a 9.5M cap hit. Anyone see a way that works without Brown going back? So Carter + Brown for Malkin + Schultz (ok maybe not Schultz). Brown is over paid, Carter is under paid. It's also said that Crosby does well with grinders (Brown).

Insuring Stamkos' next contract is going to be tricky. The insurance company won't likely want to cover the blood clots or related issues, which would leave a team in a tough spot. Then Stamkos does have a lot of talent. Could work out great, could end up costing Kempe to dump a Horton style contract on the Leafs. Stamkos is also 26 to Malkin's 29.

Looking a couple of years out, moving Cater back to wing and bringing in 2 centers might be a good idea. Carter's play will start to drop at some point. Moving him back to wing gets the Kings depth at C in case of injury. Kings have Kempe (Might be a wing)/Amadio that might pan out, but it would make sense to bring in a couple additional candidates. It is after all a numbers game. You don't know who will pan out so throw multiple guys at the problem and see who works out.

The problem with moving Carter back to right wing is Toffoli. Not that they have to play the same place, but the cap is going to be the issue. They are both going to making 5-6M in the near future. Carter is more versatile (C/W), but older.

So yeah... if it takes the Kings 2 years to get back to cup contention and the next window is 3-5 years out, Carter may not fit that as a 2C.


Carter + Brown as a package. Due to age you're looking at a contending team that has a 10M dollar hole to fill. Pens with Malkin. Detroit with Datsyuk + cap dump. Maybe Rangers with dumping whatever they're going to dump this offseason. Maybe there's hope to move Brown using Carter and then sign Stamkos!!!!

 

[Trolfoli]

Confirmed by Jon Rosen, Kings open the season October 12 (Wednesday) in San Jose. Home opener October 14.

Anyone else really tired of watching the Kings get demolished the first game of the season against the Sharks? Schedule Arizona as the season opener!!! That way we can see King or Brown get a hat trick and still lose because Doan put up 4 or something stupid.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Confirmed by Jon Rosen, Kings open the season October 12 (Wednesday) in San Jose. Home opener October 14.

Been a combined 9-1 for the Sharks in the 2014 and 2015 openers. Those were in LA though. Would be nice to return the favor once. Especially after that 1st round.

 

[BigKing]

Anyone else really tired of watching the Kings get demolished the first game of the season against the Sharks? Schedule Arizona as the season opener!!! That way we can see King or Brown get a hat trick and still lose because Doan put up 4 or something stupid.

Getting smoked by them at home on my birthday in Game 2 of last season was good enough.

Not sure that opening in SJ is confirmed as the Kings were to be the opponent if they were hanging a SC banner, much like how the league trolled SJ for the Kings 2015 home opener. Now that SJ lost and is still just SJ, it might not be the Kings now.

 

[kilowatt]

OK, I've warmed up to the Malkin/Stamkos idea.

Malkin has a 9.5M cap hit. Anyone see a way that works without Brown going back? So Carter + Brown for Malkin + Schultz (ok maybe not Schultz). Brown is over paid, Carter is under paid. It's also said that Crosby does well with grinders (Brown).

Insuring Stamkos' next contract is going to be tricky. The insurance company won't likely want to cover the blood clots or related issues, which would leave a team in a tough spot. Then Stamkos does have a lot of talent. Could work out great, could end up costing Kempe to dump a Horton style contract on the Leafs. Stamkos is also 26 to Malkin's 29.

Looking a couple of years out, moving Cater back to wing and bringing in 2 centers might be a good idea. Carter's play will start to drop at some point. Moving him back to wing gets the Kings depth at C in case of injury. Kings have Kempe (Might be a wing)/Amadio that might pan out, but it would make sense to bring in a couple additional candidates. It is after all a numbers game. You don't know who will pan out so throw multiple guys at the problem and see who works out.

The problem with moving Carter back to right wing is Toffoli. Not that they have to play the same place, but the cap is going to be the issue. They are both going to making 5-6M in the near future. Carter is more versatile (C/W), but older.

So yeah... if it takes the Kings 2 years to get back to cup contention and the next window is 3-5 years out, Carter may not fit that as a 2C.


Carter + Brown as a package. Due to age you're looking at a contending team that has a 10M dollar hole to fill. Pens with Malkin. Detroit with Datsyuk + cap dump. Maybe Rangers with dumping whatever they're going to dump this offseason. Maybe there's hope to move Brown using Carter and then sign Stamkos!!!!

There's no way the Penguins are taking Brown in a package for Malkin, come on.