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KingCanadain1976 said:
Hate to break to most of you but dwight king played top six mins most of his playing time last year and we had one of our best regular seasons ever.
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Averaged 14:26 of ES ice time, :26 of PP time and 1:24 of PK time, bottom 6 forward, PKer, if King is in your top 6 you're in serious trouble. 47 games played, 48 shots on goal which is amazing and has yet to score a PP goal in his CAREER. The fact that he was handed :26 seconds a game of PP time is ludicrous-ZERO PP points on the season.
 
Had Gaborik not gotten hurt and if Brown became a useful option in the top six, King wouldn't be playing as much with Kopitar or Carter. Unfortunately, Brown has no business being a top six option anymore and Gaborik will always wind up missing games somehow, and that's why guys like King and even Lewis will see some games playing a top six role.
 
The Tikkanen said:
Averaged 14:26 of ES ice time, :26 of PP time and 1:24 of PK time, bottom 6 forward, PKer, if King is in your top 6 you're in serious trouble. 47 games played, 48 shots on goal which is amazing and has yet to score a PP goal in his CAREER. The fact that he was handed :26 seconds a game of PP time is ludicrous-ZERO PP points on the season.
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Pretty sure the Dwight King PP time consists of Sutter being disgusted with the PP and just putting the 3rd line out with 10-15 seconds to go in the penalty for purposes of normal shift.

Don't really remember King on the PP in an actual PP role.
 
BigKing said:
Pretty sure the Dwight King PP time consists of Sutter being disgusted with the PP and just putting the 3rd line out with 10-15 seconds to go in the penalty for purposes of normal shift.

Don't really remember King on the PP in an actual PP role.
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Then Lombardi needs to recognize a severe weakness the head coach has for rewarding players with ice time who can't and don't produce offensively. Maybe move a guy like King who is not a capable player offensively for a 3rd liner who can produce if given more ice time. The problem with Sutter is he has been giving players like Stoll, Richards, Brown and King ice time in situations they aren't deserving of and they do not produce. So you take it away from guys who aren't producing to punish them or send a message, give it to guys who cannot produce and what do you accomplish?
 
The Tikkanen said:
Then Lombardi needs to recognize a severe weakness the head coach has for rewarding players with ice time who can't and don't produce offensively. Maybe move a guy like King who is not a capable player offensively for a 3rd liner who can produce if given more ice time. The problem with Sutter is he has been giving players like Stoll, Richards, Brown and King ice time in situations they aren't deserving of and they do not produce. So you take it away from guys who aren't producing to punish them or send a message, give it to guys who cannot produce and what do you accomplish?
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When the coach runs out of options to play in situations, or has a lack of top six skill on a roster, that is the GM's fault.
 
Like to point out how Pearson was used as a spark plug. Sutter played him LW/RW, top six, bottom six, PP,PK, Pearson was the J-Dub(spark plug) this last season.

Good season for Pearson.
 
damacles1156 said:
Like to point out how Pearson was used as a spark plug. Sutter played him LW/RW, top six, bottom six, PP,PK, Pearson was the J-Dub(spark plug) this last season.

Good season for Pearson.
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And he was LA's best forward in the playoffs. He's the reason they were able to win a game in the playoffs.

Can't believe some people (like that fool Bernstein) view Pearson as trade bait. Young, affordable and still improving. Yeah, great idea to move something the Kings need more of.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
And he was LA's best forward in the playoffs. He's the reason they were able to win a game in the playoffs.

Can't believe some people (like that fool Bernstein) view Pearson as trade bait. Young, affordable and still improving. Yeah, great idea to move something the Kings need more of.
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Yeah that's just stupid. You'd get way more for some young guy that just put up 30 goals! :naughty: (Joking)

Stamkos: I don't see the Kings being overly competitive next season, so locking up talent for the long term in the UFA market might be a good idea. Hopefully the cap will go up and the contract won't be as expensive in the next few years. Stamkos is only 26, Feb birthday. Giving him a 7 year deal takes him to 33. Kings could run Stamkos/Carter/Kopitar down the middle or move Carter to wing. It would make the cap tight next year, but Stamkos is one hell of a piece to pick up for cap space.

Not that this will happen. Just isn't completely insane. As for not paying someone that kind of UFA cash to play the 2nd line. The Hawks use Kane all over the line up to exploit other teams weaker pairing, because they can, not because Kane is a 3rd liner. Also Pens are paying Malkin 9.5 to play on the 2nd line and Kessel is playing on the 3rd line.

The traditional idea of 1st/2nd/3rd line don't matter. It's about exploiting weakness on other teams depth players. Besides with Kopitar/Carter/Stamkos, Kopitar would be the traditional 3rd line center because he is the best on the defensive side of the puck. It's not good/bad, just the way it would work out.
 
The Tikkanen said:
Somebody wrote an article with the top 10 possible destinations for Stamkos and LA was listed at #1. Not gonna happen but if it did I would have to believe he would be shifted to LW. You're not paying a guy 10 mil to play on the 2nd line.
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Stamkos only wants to play center. But the Kings won't go after him.

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KingsOfCali25 said:
Stamkos only wants to play center. But the Kings won't go after him.

Edit: link for article?
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Sign stamkos
Then either trade carter for larsson and maybe next years 1st (not sure wat devils need to add)
Or package carter with brown for larsson straight up
 
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The Tikkanen said:
Then Lombardi needs to recognize a severe weakness the head coach has for rewarding players with ice time who can't and don't produce offensively. Maybe move a guy like King who is not a capable player offensively for a 3rd liner who can produce if given more ice time. The problem with Sutter is he has been giving players like Stoll, Richards, Brown and King ice time in situations they aren't deserving of and they do not produce. So you take it away from guys who aren't producing to punish them or send a message, give it to guys who cannot produce and what do you accomplish?
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This is like complaining about refs. I'm not sure if there is a coach anywhere on this planet that doesn't play some guy simply because he works hard and does what the coach tells him, who fans don't like. It's almost part of the deal as a fan.

Do you really think Sutter has blindly given guys like Stoll, Richards, Brown, and King ice time? Didn't he talk about Stoll and/or Richards not producing enough for the box they were in or whatever? He's criticized Brown to some extent in the past. There are only so many players on a team though. Should Pearson be on the PP more often, or at all? Sure.

Of course King isn't great, but he's a solid enough player for what he is. If things are going right, he's never with Kopitar or Carter. It's only because of injury, or lack of production from someone else, that he ends up there sometimes. If he's there next year, it'll be because of the cap. It won't be because of him. King is not a problem on this team. He's not a solution, but he's not a problem.

Trade his contract and let Mersch have his spot, I wouldn't argue against it. Save $1m on the cap, and there's at least the hope of more potential with Mersch.
 
LA has no cap to sign Lucic. Why are we talking about Stamkos? The blood clot thing alone scares me from giving him a huge contract.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Hate to break to most of you but dwight king played top six mins most of his playing time last year and we had one of our best regular seasons ever.
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I hate to break it to you but the Kings won 63% of the 35 games they played without Dwight King and 55% of the 47 games they played with Dwight King. Yeah they would have still made the playoffs if they win 55% of their games, but that's pretty much only because the rest of the Pacific Division sucked.

7 goals, 6 assists, 13 points, -5 in 47 games. That's tuuuurible. How a player who goes goalless for the last 19 games (and 1 measly assist in those 19 games) ends up on Kopitar's wing for the playoffs is beyond me.

If the Kings can get a 3rd round draft choice for Dwight King at the draft, that's a win.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
LA has no cap to sign Lucic. Why are we talking about Stamkos? The blood clot thing alone scares me from giving him a huge contract.
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According to Elliott Friedman's 30 thoughts column, Bill Daly stated that "the salary cap figure would be 'relatively flat' for next season." The NHLPA has not decided whether to use the escalator. No way Lucic gets signed before that is resolved. If the NHLPA doesn't move to raise the cap, then the Kings are pretty much gonna have to stick with cheap guys to fill out the roster.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
LA has no cap to sign Lucic. Why are we talking about Stamkos? The blood clot thing alone scares me from giving him a huge contract.
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Seriously. Even if they could clear the cap space I'd pass on Stamkos. Kopitar-Stamkos-Doughty making over $30 million combined in a few years sounds like a disaster.
 
Godamnit Canada, get your **** together so the Cap can go up. Ditch that oil sands BS or something, start making Avro Arrows.
 
candid takes from jon rosen in his blog.

"There are no trades on the table because no teams want to take on Brown's contract. So Brown will be a King in 2016-17."

"No team will take on Brown's contract. At this time, the idea of any sort of trade, even one in which the Kings retain salary, is farfetched."

"I'm expecting some significant moves, but I wouldn't hold out hope for anything "mindblowing" "

"Lucic isn't too close at the moment. If they don't re-sign him (which would represent poor asset management), they'll still have capital to acquire key players via trade or free agency. One of those two things will happen. Other than that, there may be secondary-type moves to free up space to allow younger players to compete for a spot. Will be difficult to re-sign Trevor Lewis.

Dean tends to be active in late June, though I don't have anything concrete that he's working on something really big."

I hope they can move some of the plugs for picks.
 
damacles1156 said:
Like to point out how Pearson was used as a spark plug. Sutter played him LW/RW, top six, bottom six, PP,PK, Pearson was the J-Dub(spark plug) this last season.

Good season for Pearson.
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Agreed. Pearson had the potential to be a really valuable winger at his peak--good in the corners, the walls, the greasy areas.

Williams at his best could always keep the puck alive, which was vital to our puck possession in the offensive zone. Pearson may not have as much upside, but there's a possibility he can get close.

This is a controversial opinion, but if we're going to keep Lucic and try to rehab Brown, maybe you look at trading Toffoli for a stud young defender. But maybe that's a bad idea.
 
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