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Mikkel Boedkker is hot garbage imo.

Averages 58 games a season, 28 points a season (though to be fair its usually a 40-50 point pace). He's soft and not good defensively, and has had terrible possession metrics even relative to terrible teams (probably a function of top-six icetime and matchups, but still--others around him don't suffer that much).

Someone is going to give him 5 million and be pissed they have Sam Gagner. Every version of the Coyotes and Avs he has been on since his first two years has fared several percentage points better in goals for and against and possession and high danger scoring chances for and against with him off the ice.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Mikkel Boedkker is hot garbage imo.

Averages 58 games a season, 28 points a season (though to be fair its usually a 40-50 point pace). He's soft and not good defensively, and has had terrible possession metrics even relative to terrible teams (probably a function of top-six icetime and matchups, but still--others around him don't suffer that much).

Someone is going to give him 5 million and be pissed they have Sam Gagner. Every version of the Coyotes and Avs he has been on since his first two years has fared several percentage points better in goals for and against and possession and high danger scoring chances for and against with him off the ice.
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To which I would have to ask - why does EVERY forward HAVE to be some defensive whiz to get a shot on our team?

Is it not possible that some players might actually improve some aspect of their game under our coaching and in our system? Or at least benefit from playing with a team that has such a defined system?

I do think that advanced stats are important, but I bet there are a LOT of guys whose numbers could easily improve just by playing in a system where the rest of the team is already so effective at implementing that system.

For example, I'd bet we were one of maybe 3 or 4 teams that could've gotten ANYTHING positive out of Lecavalier and Schenn. But the reason we were able to do so was our system and how dedicated to playing that system the rest of the team is.

We've already got a team full of Corsi studs and it's gotten us 5 playoff games in the last two years with a whopping one win (and even that took OT to get).
 
jimmy1100 said:
To which I would have to ask - why does EVERY forward HAVE to be some defensive whiz to get a shot on our team?

Is it not possible that some players might actually improve some aspect of their game under our coaching and in our system? Or at least benefit from playing with a team that has such a defined system?

I do think that advanced stats are important, but I bet there are a LOT of guys whose numbers could easily improve just by playing in a system where the rest of the team is already so effective at implementing that system.

For example, I'd bet we were one of maybe 3 or 4 teams that could've gotten ANYTHING positive out of Lecavalier and Schenn. But the reason we were able to do so was our system and how dedicated to playing that system the rest of the team is.

We've already got a team full of Corsi studs and it's gotten us 5 playoff games in the last two years with a whopping one win (and even that took OT to get).
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It's not even the advanced stats, it's that he brings half a point per game, but he somehow brings a sexy name that will get overpaid when guys like Stempniak have similar production but bounce team to team.

If you want to break an 'offensive whiz' to offset some of the corsi padders I'm all for it. I'm saying Boedker is far from that and he's going to piss off the team that tries it.

If you're saying he'll improve those offensive numbers here, well, I have entire rosters of Kings who will prove that wrong. His career high is 50 points elsewhere, how will that manifest in LA?

I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, I just see him as probably the worst cost-to-production risk ratio of the whole bunch.

And aside from all that, the Avs are going to try their damndest to re-sign him after trading for him anyway.
 
YP44 said:
please explain why?
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I'm not saying Boedker is the best option or even a better option than others on that list - I'm only saying that he'd be MY first choice right now. (And remember - just a hockey fan here - not claiming to be some superior judge of talent or 'in-the-know' expert at professional scouting)

My reason why is that I think it's time to try something different. We've got plenty of big bodies. We need more speed and skill. Boedker offers both of those, doesn't turn 27 til midway through next season and would (likely) be a couple million cheaper than Lucic.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
It's not even the advanced stats, it's that he brings half a point per game, but he somehow brings a sexy name that will get overpaid when guys like Stempniak have similar production but bounce team to team.

If you want to break an 'offensive whiz' to offset some of the corsi padders I'm all for it. I'm saying Boedker is far from that and he's going to piss off the team that tries it.

If you're saying he'll improve those offensive numbers here, well, I have entire rosters of Kings who will prove that wrong.

I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, I just see him as probably the worst cost-to-production risk ratio of the whole bunch.
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Definitely not saying his offensive numbers would improve here. NOBODY is going to have their offensive numbers improve by joining the Kings.
 
jimmy1100 said:
Definitely not saying his offensive numbers would improve here. NOBODY is going to have their offensive numbers improve by joining the Kings.
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I see where you're going though and I like the idea. I'd love a Grabner style breakaway speed threat on this team, but I also think the current system almost disallows it, unfortunately.
 
If they aren't offering Lucic anything beyond 4 years (which the mayor is reporting), then I doubt they go after any of the top free agent forwards. Why offer Ladd/Okposo/Eriksson/Boedker 5-6 years but not Lucic? Makes no sense.
 
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Yeah, with the contracts of Gaborik and Brown, and the needed contracts of Toffoli and Pearson, there's only so much you can keep paying wingers. Sure, expansion, cap going up, these are things that could help, but they're not set in stone. You can't assume either one, because if you do and you're wrong, you end up scrambling up against the wall to get under the cap, which other teams will take advantage of.

With the last 2 years being what they've been, I could see a 2007 summer again. A warm body or two, but on a better overall team. No need to force things anymore. They have their own 1st round picks after this year. They've already been disappointing, so we might be getting close, maybe a year or two away, to where winning a single playoff series means something again.
 
jimmy1100 said:
To which I would have to ask - why does EVERY forward HAVE to be some defensive whiz to get a shot on our team?

Is it not possible that some players might actually improve some aspect of their game under our coaching and in our system? Or at least benefit from playing with a team that has such a defined system?

I do think that advanced stats are important, but I bet there are a LOT of guys whose numbers could easily improve just by playing in a system where the rest of the team is already so effective at implementing that system.

For example, I'd bet we were one of maybe 3 or 4 teams that could've gotten ANYTHING positive out of Lecavalier and Schenn. But the reason we were able to do so was our system and how dedicated to playing that system the rest of the team is.

We've already got a team full of Corsi studs and it's gotten us 5 playoff games in the last two years with a whopping one win (and even that took OT to get).
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players fit into systems and roles. I think Boadker here would turn out like Semin in Montreal
 
jimmy1100 said:
I'm not saying Boedker is the best option or even a better option than others on that list - I'm only saying that he'd be MY first choice right now. (And remember - just a hockey fan here - not claiming to be some superior judge of talent or 'in-the-know' expert at professional scouting)

My reason why is that I think it's time to try something different. We've got plenty of big bodies. We need more speed and skill. Boedker offers both of those, doesn't turn 27 til midway through next season and would (likely) be a couple million cheaper than Lucic.
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I would give him a shot on a 1 yr low risk low reward deal but not sure why he would take that. he will get $$ and term from somewhere
 
The Kings could possibly look at some RW options alongside Kopitar if they do plan on having Gaborik play LW.

Kempe seems capable of playing duel positions as well and I'd think some time down the road they are looking at him as a potential top six winger who can play alongside Kopitar.
 
If next year is a development year, just run the following. Brown gets a shot to rebound enough to get taken in the expansion. One can hope, anyways.

Brown/Kopitar/Gaborik
Pearson/Carter/Toffoli

With possibly King/Lewis/Versteeg (If re-signed) as subs when Sutter gets tired or Brown.

Give guys like Kempe, Mersch, Gravel, Forbort a year to develop.
 
Trolfoli said:
If next year is a development year, just run the following. Brown gets a shot to rebound enough to get taken in the expansion. One can hope, anyways.

Brown/Kopitar/Gaborik
Pearson/Carter/Toffoli

With possibly King/Lewis/Versteeg (If re-signed) as subs when Sutter gets tired or Brown.

Give guys like Kempe, Mersch, Gravel, Forbort a year to develop.
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Versteeg.....Re-sign him so Sutter can put him on the 4th line while Lewis plays on the 3rd line.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I see where you're going though and I like the idea. I'd love a Grabner style breakaway speed threat on this team, but I also think the current system almost disallows it, unfortunately.
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I agree. No taking off early, and then getting a stretch pass.
 
efhank said:
I agree. No taking off early, and then getting a stretch pass.
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Yeah, holding back possession and executing controlled breakouts doesn't lead to many breakaways, heh.

Only time we get them is when we start jumping, and we know Sutter despises that brand of hockey, even though that's how 3 of the 4 conference finalists make their living.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah, holding back possession and executing controlled breakouts doesn't lead to many breakaways, heh.

Only time we get them is when we start jumping, and we know Sutter despises that brand of hockey, even though that's how 3 of the 4 conference finalists make their living.
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And the 4th one gave a green light to jump the zone to a player or two.
 
Given what we know of Darryl Sutter I would think Ladd would be his first choice. Big Canadian, 30 years old, averaged 2:49 of PP ice time and 2:00 of PK ice time last season. In his best statistical season when he scored 62 points he averaged 3:21 of PP time, so the more you play him the more he produces. And his salary last season was 4.5 million, which is affordable for the Kings.
 
The Tikkanen said:
Given what we know of Darryl Sutter I would think Ladd would be his first choice. Big Canadian, 30 years old, averaged 2:49 of PP ice time and 2:00 of PK ice time last season. In his best statistical season when he scored 62 points he averaged 3:21 of PP time, so the more you play him the more he produces. And his salary last season was 4.5 million, which is affordable for the Kings.
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Playoffs:
64GP, 9G, 9A, 18Pts

In the playoffs when he's been a main cog:
11GP, 1G, 2A, 3Pts

For 1 year? Sure. Many years at what Lucic wants, while being a few years older? I'd rather see Lucic stay for the same money.
 
It's a shame that theres not a bit more ufa center depth. If there was a legit 2c available for a reasonable cost, we could roll Carter on the wing or go with 3 strong centers down the middle. It would give us a bit of insurance against injury. Instead of pushing someone like Shore up to cover 2c.
 
The system is what needs to be changed the most. If the system is changed then maybe Sutter wont play Versteeg on the 4th line or King on the 1st and maybe we will see a youth movement . I dont remember the last time i saw a King breakaway. Im pretty damn sure that if there were any stats of this sorta thing the Kings would be dead last.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
The system is what needs to be changed the most. If the system is changed then maybe Sutter wont play Versteeg on the 4th line or King on the 1st and maybe we will see a youth movement . I dont remember the last time i saw a King breakaway. Im pretty damn sure that if there were any stats of this sorta thing the Kings would be dead last.
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There's no magic to it. Any way of playing hockey can work, but you have to execute whatever it is that you're doing.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
The system is what needs to be changed the most. If the system is changed then maybe Sutter wont play Versteeg on the 4th line or King on the 1st and maybe we will see a youth movement . I dont remember the last time i saw a King breakaway. Im pretty damn sure that if there were any stats of this sorta thing the Kings would be dead last.
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I am pretty sire it would have been lewis
 
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