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The Lucic trade was always dumb. Some liked it, some talked themselves into it, but it was always a mistake IMO. I was never a fan because he was a UFA and he was either going to walk, or sign a contract that would have further crippled the Kings cap. It was desperate, "all in", when there were still massive holes on the roster. Trading some of our last few assets we were willing to trade left the Kings with scraps when it came to the trade deadline, and the results being Schenn and Scuderi playing key minutes helped doom the Kings season.
 
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Any threat of McNabb getting offersheeted? What level could we match to?

Could we match 2.5 mill? We'd only get a 2nd rnd pick in compensation. Doesn't seem a bad risk for a rival gm with plenty of picks.
 
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DontgoZiggy said:
Any threat of McNabb getting offersheeted? What level could we match to?

Could we match 2.5 mill? We'd only get a 2nd rnd pick in compensation. Doesn't seem a bad risk for a rival gm with plenty of picks.
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I thought about that a whole lot. I can imagine a world where a GM gives up a couple of picks no question on a 2nd pairing guy with high upside.

I know people want to hate McNabb but he's just miscast. He's not Randy Jones.

Edit: yep 3,755,233 and below would JUST be a 2nd rounder. That's like making a cheap trade honestly. That could be bad, bad news if someone believes in him enough to do that right now. I'd certainly match, I know that's an unpopular opinion. I think someone would have to go over that to get us to say no, and at that point, it starts costing too much:

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Raccoon Jesus said:
I want to, but I really can't argue with any of this.

I think Brown staying and recent activity around him also suggests that Lucic is the one to go because both can't co-exist at high salary.
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They can. Just no one wants to talk about where that salary is going to come from. :)

Lucic trade was great/Is great. He's a productive top 6 forward for one of the best seasons in Kings history. Kings didn't give up a whole lot to get him. Backup goalie who priced himself off the team and was going to be traded, defenseman who didn't get a call up over McBain, and a first round pick. Who cares

Picking up a guy of Lucic's talent without giving up a roster player (backup goalie I guess) is a great move by Lombardi.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I thought about that a whole lot. I can imagine a world where a GM gives up a couple of picks no question on a 2nd pairing guy with high upside.

I know people want to hate McNabb but he's just miscast. He's not Randy Jones.

Edit: yep 3,755,233 and below would JUST be a 2nd rounder. That's like making a cheap trade honestly. That could be bad, bad news if someone believes in him enough to do that right now. I'd certainly match, I know that's an unpopular opinion. I think someone would have to go over that to get us to say no, and at that point, it starts costing too much:

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A rival gm could certainly tighten the thumbscrews on our cap situation. Anything over 3mill gets tough. We're all pining after adding another dman, but we could lose what we already have. It makes you wonder if dl could potentially get forced into buying out brown.
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
The Lucic trade was always dumb. Some liked it, some talked themselves into it, but it was always a mistake IMO. I was never a fan because he was a UFA and he was either going to walk, or sign a contract that would have further crippled the Kings cap. It was desperate, "all in", when there were still massive holes on the roster. Trading some of our last few assets we were willing to trade left the Kings with scraps when it came to the trade deadline, and the results being Schenn and Scuderi playing key minutes helped doom the Kings season.
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I think Lombardi took the chance on Lucic, because he took the chance on Sekera, because 14-15 might've been the last best chance when you factor in the Voynov stuff. Couldn't let Carolina get a lottery pick, on the chance it ends up the top pick.

Now the Kings have their 2017 1st rounder, and my guess is Lombardi isn't taking a chance on this team for the time being. Won't go the extra mile to keep Lucic. Probably going to watch another glue guy in Lewis go. Try and fix the defense somehow. Then if the team proves to be something by the deadline next year, maybe do something. If not, well the team is already 2 years removed from the Cup, with 1 out of the 32 wins needed, so if it becomes a 3rd year, it's not that big of a deal.
 
I don't think the Kings are going to be able to low ball McNabb. I see him getting at least a 2M offer. There are other teams that could slot him better and still pay this.

I'd toss in there that other teams might let him go more offensively. He was a completely different player in the AHL. He has good skills on the offensive blue line, and yes, can effectively run a PP!! The Kings shut down that part of his game.
 
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efhank said:
I don't think the Kings are going to be able to low ball McNabb. I see him getting at least a 2M offer. There are other teams that could slot him better and still pay this.

I'd toss in there that other teams might let him go more offensively. He was a completely different player in the AHL. He has good skills on the offensive blue line, and yes, can effectively run a PP!! The Kings shut down that part of his game.
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As bad as some here might have perceived McNabb's season to have been, the truth is that he looked a lot better than Muzzin in his first NHL season and will only get better. His offensive numbers will improve as he gains more trust from Sutter and likely get PP time with DD while A-Mart gets paired with JM to give us to real defensive and PP units...

As for the $2-$2.5 million contract he's likely to get remember that not signing Lucic and Vinny retiring puts us a little over $10 million in cap space....Now before people say we can add stars or a defensive stud to our team remember the Sharks added grit with Joel Ward that gave them depth and they brought up youngsters that have stepped up....Which is why i always mention MERSCH, KEMPE, DOWD, FORBORT, and GRAVEL as the kids that could help us next season while also maybe resigning Lewis, and Versteeg ...
 
kings11 said:
As bad as some here might have perceived McNabb's season to have been, the truth is that he looked a lot better than Muzzin in his first NHL season and will only get better. His offensive numbers will improve as he gains more trust from Sutter and likely get PP time with DD while A-Mart gets paired with JM to give us to real defensive and PP units...

As for the $2-$2.5 million contract he's likely to get remember that not signing Lucic and Vinny retiring puts us a little over $10 million in cap space....Now before people say we can add stars or a defensive stud to our team remember the Sharks added grit with Joel Ward that gave them depth and they brought up youngsters that have stepped up....Which is why i always mention MERSCH, KEMPE, DOWD, FORBORT, and GRAVEL as the kids that could help us next season while also maybe resigning Lewis, and Versteeg ...
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McNabb is awful and he hasn't improved at all. In no way shape or form or at any time has he looked better than Muzzin and he has no where near the upside. An offer sheet would be a gift to the Kings. Marginal bottom pairing guys that can't skate are a dime a dozen.
 
lumbergh said:
Somebody explain to me why people on this board keep crapping on McNabb. Please. Are there instances where he's made mistakes? Yes. Name one defenseman who hasn't.
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well he isn't to blame directly

it's management and possibly Voynov's fault if anything

however management is trying to convince me that McNabb is a #2 D (1st pairing D)

i say **** YOU!

if McNabb is a #6-7D then yeah he's great

get it?

but i guess from this perspective it's never the Ds fault

it's not Russell's fault that he plays top minutes either.... etc
 
KingPuckChoo said:
well he isn't to blame directly

it's management and possibly Voynov's fault if anything

however management is trying to convince me that McNabb is a #2 D (1st pairing D)

i say **** YOU!

if McNabb is a #6-7D then yeah he's great

get it?

but i guess from this perspective it's never the Ds fault

it's not Russell's fault that he plays top minutes either.... etc
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Hmm pretty much the same logic i use when it comes to King yet i get grief over it :laugh:
 
KingPuckChoo said:
well he isn't to blame directly

it's management and possibly Voynov's fault if anything

however management is trying to convince me that McNabb is a #2 D (1st pairing D)

i say **** YOU!

if McNabb is a #6-7D then yeah he's great

get it?

but i guess from this perspective it's never the Ds fault

it's not Russell's fault that he plays top minutes either.... etc
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I'll be interested to see mcnabbs game next year, He should have learned a lot this year after the big minutes he was given. To my untrained eye he looked pretty effective in the first half of the year, against teams top guys. His game definitely tailed off towards the end, he probably ran out of gas.

I preferred his game at the beginning of the season to scuds' at the end of the season. At least mcnabb flattens guys at the blueline occasionally.
 
McNabb is a solid option at 5/6 Defender, the guy is simply not playing that role though, forced into a different role.
 
damacles1156 said:
McNabb is a solid option at 5/6 Defender, the guy is simply not playing that role though, forced into a different role.
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Agreed and the stats back that up. His ice time went up an insane almost 3 full minutes from the year before and he scored 10 less points. So the more you play him the less he produces which is not a good sign. He averaged 24 seconds of PP time and put up a whopping one assist, why is he ever on the PP? This goes back to Richards and Stoll being given PP ice time the season prior, just ridiculous the guys Sutter chooses to be out there. And McNabb averaged 1:04 of PP ice time in 2014-2015, why? McNabb's PK ice time went from :44 seconds in 2014-2015 to 1:46 in 2015-2016, which is where he belongs. On April 16th in a playoff game against SJ McNabb was given an astounding 3:42 of PP ice time where he managed a single shot on goal for the entire game and was a minus one. Then if you look at other game logs McNabb is regularly given zero PP ice time, I guess it's just throwing poop at the wall and seeing what sticks.
 
It's not Sutters Fault he has no options though, That's Lombardi's/Futa for no one in the AHL stepping up and taking a spot, or not providing a Legit NHL defender to push McNabb down the roster.

The Kings still have not replaced Mitchell/Slava in my eyes, Or even what RR brought in 2014. That's not Sutter's fault.

Also say what you want about Matt Greene, but the Kings missed his PK, and Net clearing presence this last season. The Kings did not replace what Matt Greene is good at.

How many times was SJ allowed to just bang away in front of Quick, and the PK was not very good this last year.
 
I'm thinking DL thought Schenn was going to be a replacement for Greene. McNabb has been miscast from day one, the guy does not belong on the top pairing at all, not really his fault.
 
lumbergh said:
Somebody explain to me why people on this board keep crapping on McNabb. Please. Are there instances where he's made mistakes? Yes. Name one defenseman who hasn't.
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It's the nature of this board. 3rd pair D and 4th liners are the key to everything. ;)
 
The Tikkanen said:
Agreed and the stats back that up. His ice time went up an insane almost 3 full minutes from the year before and he scored 10 less points. So the more you play him the less he produces which is not a good sign. He averaged 24 seconds of PP time and put up a whopping one assist, why is he ever on the PP? This goes back to Richards and Stoll being given PP ice time the season prior, just ridiculous the guys Sutter chooses to be out there. And McNabb averaged 1:04 of PP ice time in 2014-2015, why? McNabb's PK ice time went from :44 seconds in 2014-2015 to 1:46 in 2015-2016, which is where he belongs. On April 16th in a playoff game against SJ McNabb was given an astounding 3:42 of PP ice time where he managed a single shot on goal for the entire game and was a minus one. Then if you look at other game logs McNabb is regularly given zero PP ice time, I guess it's just throwing poop at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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I agree he needs to be on the PP or not, but to be fair, in the playoffs, Marty was out. No options.
 
Omni Owl said:
I'm thinking DL thought Schenn was going to be a replacement for Greene. McNabb has been miscast from day one, the guy does not belong on the top pairing at all, not really his fault.
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was miscassed in Buffalo too. he played north of 20 minutes there too
 
damacles1156 said:
It's not Sutters Fault he has no options though, That's Lombardi's/Futa for no one in the AHL stepping up and taking a spot, or not providing a Legit NHL defender to push McNabb down the roster.

The Kings still have not replaced Mitchell/Slava in my eyes, Or even what RR brought in 2014. That's not Sutter's fault.

Also say what you want about Matt Greene, but the Kings missed his PK, and Net clearing presence this last season. The Kings did not replace what Matt Greene is good at.

How many times was SJ allowed to just bang away in front of Quick, and the PK was not very good this last year.
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13-14: Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez, Regehr, Mitchell, Greene
14-15: Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez, Regehr, Greene, McNabb
15-16: Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene, McNabb, Ehrhoff, McBain

Martinez and Muzzin had to be signed in 2014, which pushed Mitchell out. Only so many guys you can pay. It's like Lucic this summer.

That 14-15 defense is fine. McNabb would've been eased into the lineup, in theory taking over for Regehr the following season, instead of rushed in after Voynov got suspended. Mitchell leaves, Regehr retires, Voynov gets suspended, Greene gets hurt this year, Schenn then gets brought in, and all the while Muzzin and Martinez aren't as cheap as they used to be, which means veterans like Mitchell or Regehr can't be brought in as easily. Plus they get Sekera to try and replace Voynov in what may have been their last best chance at another Cup, and that cost a 1st round pick.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
13-14: Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez, Regehr, Mitchell, Greene
14-15: Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez, Regehr, Greene, McNabb
15-16: Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene, McNabb, Ehrhoff, McBain

Martinez and Muzzin had to be signed in 2014, which pushed Mitchell out. Only so many guys you can pay. It's like Lucic this summer.

That 14-15 defense is fine. McNabb would've been eased into the lineup, in theory taking over for Regehr the following season, instead of rushed in after Voynov got suspended. Mitchell leaves, Regehr retires, Voynov gets suspended, Greene gets hurt this year, Schenn then gets brought in, and all the while Muzzin and Martinez aren't as cheap as they used to be, which means veterans like Mitchell or Regehr can't be brought in as easily. Plus they get Sekera to try and replace Voynov in what may have been their last best chance at another Cup, and that cost a 1st round pick.
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Greene in the top 4 to start last year...yuck.
 
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