GDT: Offseason GDT II

[Raccoon Jesus]

Gotta be honest, after seeing that World Cup team DL put together, I'm petrified he's lost his ****.

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Gotta be honest, after seeing that World Cup team DL put together, I'm petrified he's lost his ****.

Our team is sure gonna be missing Kessel when they can't buy a goal.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Gotta be honest, after seeing that World Cup team DL put together, I'm petrified he's lost his ****.

Their just aren't that many top-end Americans once you take away the U23s, (Jones, Larkin, Eichel, Gaudreau and Saad) any number of those guys, especially upfront, could/would have been on the big team if eligible.

But the Kessel omission is inexplicable.

 

[Trolfoli]

Their just aren't that many top-end Americans once you take away the U23s, (Jones, Larkin, Eichel, Gaudreau and Saad) any number of those guys, especially upfront, could/would have been on the big team if eligible.

But the Kessel omission is inexplicable.

Who is the coach?

The answer may lie there.

 

[The Tikkanen]

There are still scouts, coaches and GMs who think Jack Johnson is a quality defensemen? He's minus 126 for his career, he's dreadful.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I feel like Dean Lombardi and the selection committee have spent the past few months watching video of the 1996 US team that won the World Cup.



https://www.hhof.com/htmlTimeCapsule/TeamRosterWCUP1996USA.shtml

Tkachuk-Weight-Hull
Smolinski-Modano-Amonte
LeClair-LaFontaine-Young
Deadmarsh-Otto-Guerin

Suter-Chelios
Leetch-K.Hatcher
D.Hatcher-Schneider

Richter-Hebert

Scratches:
McEachern-Konowalchuk-Rolston
Housley-Chambers
Carey


I'm going to take a stab at what the US lineup will look like:

Pacioretty-Pavelski-Kane
Parise-Stepan-Wheeler
van Riemsdyk-Kesler-Oshie
Dubinsky-Backes-Callahan
Abdelkader

McDonagh-Byfuglien
Suter-Carlson
J. Johnson-E.Johnson
Niskanen

Quick-Schneider
Bishop

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Who is the coach?

The answer may lie there.

Isn't it Torts?

 

[kingsfan28]

Their just aren't that many top-end Americans once you take away the U23s, (Jones, Larkin, Eichel, Gaudreau and Saad) any number of those guys, especially upfront, could/would have been on the big team if eligible.

But the Kessel omission is inexplicable.

Torts wants guys who can bloc shots, not score.

The USA vs North America game will be 11- 2 NA.

 

[kingsfan28]

Gotta be honest, after seeing that World Cup team DL put together, I'm petrified he's lost his ****.

Even if Eichel, Johnny Hockey and Mathews were available, they'd be passed over.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Torts wants guys who can bloc shots, not score.

The USA vs North America game will be 11- 2 NA.

I'd be surprised if USA finished above 4th.

 

[Trolfoli]

It just hit me. If they let Schenn walk, and VL retired, the Kings just lost Weal for nothing.



Weally sorry. Couldn't help myself.

 

[Butch 19]

I think the Teubert pick was way worse than Hickey.

Hickey just finished his 4th straight season as an NHL player, he isn't anything amazing but he is a solid #5 d-man.

Tuebert just finished his 3rd straight season in the German league after not even being tendered by the Edmonton Oilers.

Hickey was a swing for the fences that turned into a solid single.

Tuebert was a bunt attempt that that rode up the bat and hit us in the face.

No way you're serious about Hickey. Yeah, a solid #5 d-man is fine as a 4th pick... in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

At #4 overall???? terrible, terrible pick.

Most pundits had Hickey no where near the top 5 - or even in the first round. For good reason too.

You don't gamble in the top 5.

 

[Butch 19]

Gotta be honest, after seeing that World Cup team DL put together, I'm petrified he's lost his ****.

"mojo" gets you ****?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Rosen also said on the Kings podcast this morning that he's not optimistic that Lucic will return.

On Brown, he said he does not expect a trade. Said there just aren't any teams interested. He said the Kings think Brown can be better and want him to get back to the front of the net. I'm guessing they're going to let Lucic walk and hope Brown can fill that role.

 

[Trolfoli]

Rosen also said on the Kings podcast this morning that he's not optimistic that Lucic will return.

On Brown, he said he does not expect a trade. Said there just aren't any teams interested. He said the Kings think Brown can be better and want him to get back to the front of the net. I'm guessing they're going to let Lucic walk and hope Brown can fill that role.

I don't think Rosen has any clue what he's talking about here. He said that the 2 sides were apart on term. Lombardi doesn't seem like the type that would shy away from a long contract.

My guess on the hold up right now, would be the final Cap number and seeing what the Kings can grab in UFA. Have the players voted on the escalator yet? The cap being off a couple million would make a difference on finalizing the Lucic contract. Also if Lombardi is going big game hunting for D in UFA he may need to see what's available and the cost first.

Signing Lucic isn't the number one priority, and maybe it doesn't get done. I have doubts as to whether "term" is the hold up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Rosen also said on the Kings podcast this morning that he's not optimistic that Lucic will return.

On Brown, he said he does not expect a trade. Said there just aren't any teams interested. He said the Kings think Brown can be better and want him to get back to the front of the net. I'm guessing they're going to let Lucic walk and hope Brown can fill that role.

Exactly what my thoughts are.

They realize they're stuck with the contract and are trying to make lemonade, realizing that both can't coexist with similar contracts if we hope to improve the D (or even just to have money for the other suspects).

I kind of thought this might happen when DL seemed to rubberband midyear, but there were so many conflicting things going on. We were rumored to be all in on Big Buff, but then DL says we don't want to give up any more assets. We committed to a big trade before the year in Lucic, signalling 'all-in,' but now (maybe) aren't going to resign him. So we went from being all in to being "well..." and now we've heard a lot about re-commitment to a longer-term vision that seems to be starting with those non-trades and now the Brown captaincy removal...so I wonder what happened and what's planned. Because that's a 180 imo.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think Rosen has any clue what he's talking about here. He said that the 2 sides were apart on term. Lombardi doesn't seem like the type that would shy away from a long contract.

My guess on the hold up right now, would be the final Cap number and seeing what the Kings can grab in UFA. Have the players voted on the escalator yet? The cap being off a couple million would make a difference on finalizing the Lucic contract. Also if Lombardi is going big game hunting for D in UFA he may need to see what's available and the cost first.

Signing Lucic isn't the number one priority, and maybe it doesn't get done. I have doubts as to whether "term" is the hold up.

I kind of agree especially given the Kopitar deal but he's been taking a beating on them lately, that's for sure. I just don't even know what he's thinking anymore and it will be hard to discern those thoughts until we start seeing some moves.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I don't think Rosen has any clue what he's talking about here. He said that the 2 sides were apart on term. Lombardi doesn't seem like the type that would shy away from a long contract.

My guess on the hold up right now, would be the final Cap number and seeing what the Kings can grab in UFA. Have the players voted on the escalator yet? The cap being off a couple million would make a difference on finalizing the Lucic contract. Also if Lombardi is going big game hunting for D in UFA he may need to see what's available and the cost first.

Signing Lucic isn't the number one priority, and maybe it doesn't get done. I have doubts as to whether "term" is the hold up.

I have my doubts as to whether Dean will even be GM in 5 years anyways. Meaning, maybe he signs Lucic to a 6 year deal and just lets the next guy worry about it. Another poor season next year and the Anschutz's might start putting pressure on him cause since 2014, Dean Lombardi without a doubt gets an "F".

 

[KOPITARRULEZ11]

So what's the word on lucic mayor was saying the ship has sailed I'd be shocked if they let him walk

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Kopitar and the Kings weren't in the same ballpark and were far apart in the early stages of contract talks and we see how long that took to take care of.

 

[deeshamrock]

Kopitar and the Kings weren't in the same ballpark and were far apart in the early stages of contract talks and we see how long that took to take care of.

Entirely different situation. Kopitar was going to be signed , he's the face of the franchise. He drew a line in the sand on dollars and term and stuck to it, and having the same agent as Toewes, there was little doubt he'd move. DL caved and the Kings got their man, a top 2 way center in the sport.

Lucic is a career 17 goal (average) forward, with a bad temper who takes ill timed penalties, who isn't the face of the franchise and isn't worth 7 yrs at 6 to 7 M per. He's done nothing to warrant that, RS or playoffs. They don't need another LTC with more years on the wrong side or 30. He too, drew a line in the sand in Boston, the team that drafted him the town he 'loved' , the fans he 'loved' but wouldn't take a discount to stay in. Boston had to trade him because he wouldn't come down on term and dollars. DL knew that risk when he made that deal.
Lucic wasn't going to sign before July 1, his agent knows it's a competitive market. And DL from the last reports, had something more in the lines of 3 to 4 yrs at 5.7 range.

I think when Sutter didn't take an immediate plunge in the pool, when his contract was up, whatever conversation he and DL had about what this team needs to do moving forward, was and will be a part of DL's actions to get Sutter to sign.
And I think that starts with getting a top 4 D, and might mean overpaying to get Yandle who he's high on. And giving Kopi the C in hopes that the added responsibility will bring a more consistent effort and Kopi, unlike brown is a sutter guy.

And they need to upgrade the bottom 6 , or they're playing golf again next April.
Not easy when he's lost draft picks the last couple years but I'm sure he's out there shopping

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

So what's the word on lucic mayor was saying the ship has sailed I'd be shocked if they let him walk

Mayor said very doubtful unless someone caves in the "11th hour."

Rosen this morning said not very optimistic and would guess 50-50 chance he stays.

Personally, I think he's only back if Brown is moved. That isn't happening so I think Lucic is gone. If you sign him and keep Brown then it's essentially the exact same roster as last season. Defense and forward depth is still incredibly thin and your hopes all rest on McNabb being able to handle top pair duties.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Entirely different situation. Kopitar was going to be signed , he's the face of the franchise. He drew a line in the sand on dollars and term and stuck to it, and having the same agent as Toewes, there was little doubt he'd move. DL caved and the Kings got their man, a top 2 way center in the sport.

Lucic is a career 17 goal (average) forward, with a bad temper who takes ill timed penalties, who isn't the face of the franchise and isn't worth 7 yrs at 6 to 7 M per. He's done nothing to warrant that, RS or playoffs. They don't need another LTC with more years on the wrong side or 30. He too, drew a line in the sand in Boston, the team that drafted him the town he 'loved' , the fans he 'loved' but wouldn't take a discount to stay in. Boston had to trade him because he wouldn't come down on term and dollars. DL knew that risk when he made that deal.
Lucic wasn't going to sign before July 1, his agent knows it's a competitive market. And DL from the last reports, had something more in the lines of 3 to 4 yrs at 5.7 range.

I think when Sutter didn't take an immediate plunge in the pool, when his contract was up, whatever conversation he and DL had about what this team needs to do moving forward, was and will be a part of DL's actions to get Sutter to sign.
And I think that starts with getting a top 4 D, and might mean overpaying to get Yandle who he's high on. And giving Kopi the C in hopes that the added responsibility will bring a more consistent effort and Kopi, unlike brown is a sutter guy.

And they need to upgrade the bottom 6 , or they're playing golf again next April.
Not easy when he's lost draft picks the last couple years but I'm sure he's out there shopping

I want to, but I really can't argue with any of this.

I think Brown staying and recent activity around him also suggests that Lucic is the one to go because both can't co-exist at high salary.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Mayor said very doubtful unless someone caves in the "11th hour."

Rosen this morning said not very optimistic and would guess 50-50 chance he stays.

Personally, I think he's only back if Brown is moved. That isn't happening so I think Lucic is gone. If you sign him and keep Brown then it's essentially the exact same roster as last season. Defense and forward depth is still incredibly thin and your hopes all rest on McNabb being able to handle top pair duties.

Yeah, supposedly they could probably come to some agreement money-wise, but the sticking issue is term.

 

[Omni Owl]

Entirely different situation. Kopitar was going to be signed , he's the face of the franchise. He drew a line in the sand on dollars and term and stuck to it, and having the same agent as Toewes, there was little doubt he'd move. DL caved and the Kings got their man, a top 2 way center in the sport.

Lucic is a career 17 goal (average) forward, with a bad temper who takes ill timed penalties, who isn't the face of the franchise and isn't worth 7 yrs at 6 to 7 M per. He's done nothing to warrant that, RS or playoffs. They don't need another LTC with more years on the wrong side or 30. He too, drew a line in the sand in Boston, the team that drafted him the town he 'loved' , the fans he 'loved' but wouldn't take a discount to stay in. Boston had to trade him because he wouldn't come down on term and dollars. DL knew that risk when he made that deal.
Lucic wasn't going to sign before July 1, his agent knows it's a competitive market. And DL from the last reports, had something more in the lines of 3 to 4 yrs at 5.7 range.

I think when Sutter didn't take an immediate plunge in the pool, when his contract was up, whatever conversation he and DL had about what this team needs to do moving forward, was and will be a part of DL's actions to get Sutter to sign.
And I think that starts with getting a top 4 D, and might mean overpaying to get Yandle who he's high on. And giving Kopi the C in hopes that the added responsibility will bring a more consistent effort and Kopi, unlike brown is a sutter guy.

And they need to upgrade the bottom 6 , or they're playing golf again next April.
Not easy when he's lost draft picks the last couple years but I'm sure he's out there shopping

Exactly. This pretty much sums up the whole Lucic situation nicely.