GDT: Offseason GDT II

[Ziggy Stardust]

I think a guy like Yandle could work when he's in a system that protects him like Arizona did for many years.

Look at Brent Burns in San Jose for example. I think Yandle could have that type of impact offensively from the blueline, especially on the powerplay.

 

[YP44]

One of the articles I read about 10 days or so ago, I think it was NESN, was speaking to how many teams/GM's are pushing to upgrade at D and they mentioned the kings, how DL is still pushing for that and Yandle is on his list. Granted (according to the article) Yandle will get overpaid and could get 6M or more. I'd pass, not a fan but DL loves him...
If he is intent on getting a fit for that top 4 pairing, he'll have to move some salary to fit that and Lucic

I would love Yandle if it works within the cap...that is a big if though

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I would love Yandle if it works within the cap...that is a big if though

$6.5 million for another left hander in Yandle...That's a lot of money. Rather they just spend $4.5 million on Demers and use the $2 million on depth somewhere.

 

[BigKing]

Martinez was fine as a #3/4. Kings would have looked much better against SJ if Martinez wasn't completely healthy. He wasn't though and that is where the lack of depth was exposed.

Everyone would like a 2D better than Muzzin or a 3C that would be a 2C on most teams but how is that attainable without what would most likely be deemed an insane trade? A trade could happen but it is hard to imagine the Kings fleecing anyone since they don't have any attractive assets that are redundant to the current roster.

If SJ loses their 3D in Game 1 of the playoffs, are they in the SCF now? Maybe, but they definitely wouldn't look like world beaters. Hell...I think the Kings are done in 2014 if Martinez goes out Game 1 against Anaheim as opposed to Regher.

You need injury luck to advance. Chicago doesn't win last season if one of the only four defenseman they have go down. That's just the way it is and most teams are not going to be able to ice a D corp like the Kings did in 2012 or even '14. Kings don't have either of those lineups without great drafting and/or development (Doughty/Voynov/Martinez/Muzzin) and the ability to take chances or overpay for veterans because the window wasn't open yet and cap space was plentiful (Scuderi v1.0/Mitchell). Toss in Greene which was a trade where the Kings gave up the best player for future returns and you have completely different situations between then and now.

It's easy to say "overhaul the defense" but who is lining up to help Lombardi out? Fans want a defenseman that is a legit Top 4 but how much do those cost on the open market or via trade?

I'm in the "stay pat" category unless some ridiculous offer comes out of left field. The expansion draft muddies the waters and this team can't afford to blow cap dollars chasing a weak UFA crop. Team has prospects ready for the big lights. I trust in the development program and would rather see what we have before locking in to a six year deal with Keith Yandle at market prices.

Now, we know DL has a soft spot for Yandle so he may go after him. If they were in on Buff somehow, then perhaps DL has a plan to move out bad contracts; however, I think that would of been an "all-in" move for last season and DL would of then looked to give Buff money over Lucic.

As long as the Brown contract is on the books, acquiring a Top 2-4 defenseman is going to be extremely difficult. Perhaps I shouldn't say "stand pat" as somehow getting a guy who would be a great #5 and is undervalued currently would go a long way. Just think the team needs upgrades in some areas and not a roster overhaul while it is imperative to hold on to high draft picks for the foreseeable future. The type of players being talked about in here will either demand the use of those high draft picks or a lot of long-term money for someone who might not even play well here.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Martinez was fine as a #3/4. Kings would have looked much better against SJ if Martinez wasn't completely healthy. He wasn't though and that is where the lack of depth was exposed.

Everyone would like a 2D better than Muzzin or a 3C that would be a 2C on most teams but how is that attainable without what would most likely be deemed an insane trade? A trade could happen but it is hard to imagine the Kings fleecing anyone since they don't have any attractive assets that are redundant to the current roster.

If SJ loses their 3D in Game 1 of the playoffs, are they in the SCF now? Maybe, but they definitely wouldn't look like world beaters. Hell...I think the Kings are done in 2014 if Martinez goes out Game 1 against Anaheim as opposed to Regher.

You need injury luck to advance. Chicago doesn't win last season if one of the only four defenseman they have go down. That's just the way it is and most teams are not going to be able to ice a D corp like the Kings did in 2012 or even '14. Kings don't have either of those lineups without great drafting and/or development (Doughty/Voynov/Martinez/Muzzin) and the ability to take chances or overpay for veterans because the window wasn't open yet and cap space was plentiful (Scuderi v1.0/Mitchell). Toss in Greene which was a trade where the Kings gave up the best player for future returns and you have completely different situations between then and now.

It's easy to say "overhaul the defense" but who is lining up to help Lombardi out? Fans want a defenseman that is a legit Top 4 but how much do those cost on the open market or via trade?

I'm in the "stay pat" category unless some ridiculous offer comes out of left field. The expansion draft muddies the waters and this team can't afford to blow cap dollars chasing a weak UFA crop. Team has prospects ready for the big lights. I trust in the development program and would rather see what we have before locking in to a six year deal with Keith Yandle at market prices.

Now, we know DL has a soft spot for Yandle so he may go after him. If they were in on Buff somehow, then perhaps DL has a plan to move out bad contracts; however, I think that would of been an "all-in" move for last season and DL would of then looked to give Buff money over Lucic.

As long as the Brown contract is on the books, acquiring a Top 2-4 defenseman is going to be extremely difficult. Perhaps I shouldn't say "stand pat" as somehow getting a guy who would be a great #5 and is undervalued currently would go a long way. Just think the team needs upgrades in some areas and not a roster overhaul while it is imperative to hold on to high draft picks for the foreseeable future. The type of players being talked about in here will either demand the use of those high draft picks or a lot of long-term money for someone who might not even play well here.

Was Buff just a rental though? That's the way I saw it.

 

[YP44]

$6.5 million for another left hander in Yandle...That's a lot of money. Rather they just spend $4.5 million on Demers and use the $2 million on depth somewhere.

if that would be the cost than I concur..Like I said if it woudl fit into the cap I would good with Yandle.

I think this offseason you will see some UFA's sign for less in order to get a NMC so they have to be protected in the expansion

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

if that would be the cost than I concur..Like I said if it woudl fit into the cap I would good with Yandle.

I think this offseason you will see some UFA's sign for less in order to get a NMC so they have to be protected in the expansion

I thought NMC's would have to be protected? Or at least that's the way I read it. Wording was confusing but the way I read it, they would have to be protected.

 

[YP44]

I thought NMC's would have to be protected? Or at least that's the way I read it. Wording was confusing but the way I read it, they would have to be protected.

yes they would...that's why I think players will be asking for them this year, and even willing to take less to get them.

In no way am I advocating LA to go sign a bunch of NMC UFA's but just a predication

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

yes they would...that's why I think players will be asking for them this year, and even willing to take less to get them.

In no way am I advocating LA to go sign a bunch of NMC UFA's but just a predication

https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/726075759274516480

It sounds like NMC's would have to be protected but NTC's would be automatically protected. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Omni Owl]

Props to the Sharks for not just nuking the whole thing after 2014, they finally showed some resilience. If they can come back from something like that, then surely we can as well. Signing the right guys over the offseason helped them out (Ward, Martin, and Donskoi in particular). If we stand pat on D, we'll most likely get a repeat of last year. Forbort/Gravel should come in, but they won't be relied on to be top 4 guys. There needs to be a stop gap there that isn't Schenn/McNabb/McBain/Scuderi.

 

[YP44]

https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/726075759274516480

It sounds like NMC's would have to be protected but NTC's would be automatically protected. Doesn't make sense to me.

What doesn't make sense?

If I am a player I want to be protected by whatever team I sign with, so I would ask for a NMC.

 

[YP44]

Props to the Sharks for not just nuking the whole thing after 2014, they finally showed some resilience. If they can come back from something like that, then surely we can as well. Signing the right guys over the offseason helped them out (Ward, Martin, and Donskoi in particular). If we stand pat on D, we'll most likely get a repeat of last year. Forbort/Gravel should come in, but they won't be relied on to be top 4 guys. There needs to be a stop gap there that isn't Schenn/McNabb/McBain/Scuderi.

Probs to them for bringing in the D...but I think Marleau was asked to waive his no move and he said no...some believe Joe was asked too.

So they wanted to blow it up.

 

[Omni Owl]

Probs to them for bringing in the D...but I think Marleau was asked to waive his no move and he said no...some believe Joe was asked too.

So they wanted to blow it up.

Makes sense, who wouldn't want to blow things up after that meltdown? I don't really mind them getting this far, its better than seeing the Ducks in the finals. I've always liked the franchise ever since they gave that classy send off to Robitaille.

 

[Omni Owl]

Speaking of blowing things up, sounds like the Rangers are about to do just that. No one really pops out at me, but apparently McDonagh might be available, at a hefty cost I'm sure. I also wonder if Klein would fit well with our system? No ****ing thanks to Girardi or Staal, Rags fans were constantly bickering about them all year.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

What doesn't make sense?

If I am a player I want to be protected by whatever team I sign with, so I would ask for a NMC.

The "must be protected" part is confusing me. Does that mean they're automatically protected or they must be protected?

Edit: Nevermind, just figured it out.

 

[YP44]

Makes sense, who wouldn't want to blow things up after that meltdown? I don't really mind them getting this far, its better than seeing the Ducks in the finals. I've always liked the franchise ever since they gave that classy send off to Robitaille.

The sharks building has always been known for being one of the loudest and I am big jumbo joe fan. I am pissed that they knocked out the blues as I would have come into some $$ had the blues won, however I will not be pissed if they when the cup.

has the Sharks going this far changed the narrative that the pacific is weak yet? I would think it has to of right? Sharks, Ducks and Kings are all good clubs. The Oilers always look to be better on paper, and the Flames have some skill.

Granted Arizona is **** and the canucks look like a goat show

 

[tsanuri]

if that would be the cost than I concur..Like I said if it woudl fit into the cap I would good with Yandle.

I think this offseason you will see some UFA's sign for less in order to get a NMC so they have to be protected in the expansion

I think you are right but then that puts GM's in the place of having to protect that player vs one that is already on the team.
The only real benefit is I think we are looking at 1 team at most. I just don't see them adding another eastern team. So that is only 1 player lost not 2.
Of course this could all be mute since there has been no announcement and talk that the BOG isn't even ready to vote yet. Clock is ticking. They really need to know by the draft and June 30th at the very latest.

 

[KingsFan7824]

has the Sharks going this far changed the narrative that the pacific is weak yet? I would think it has to of right? Sharks, Ducks and Kings are all good clubs. The Oilers always look to be better on paper, and the Flames have some skill.

Granted Arizona is **** and the canucks look like a goat show

I don't see why. I think the current Pacific would need to get a 4th team into the playoffs in the same season before that happens.

 

[YP44]

I don't see why. I think the current Pacific would need to get a 4th team into the playoffs in the same season before that happens.

as with a lot of trade offers on this board it comes down to Quantity vs Quality.

 

[tsanuri]

I don't see why. I think the current Pacific would need to get a 4th team into the playoffs in the same season before that happens.

Maybe because post season > regular season.
But I think it would be nice to see 4 in the pac make the playoffs. Even though with our luck it will be a case were there is still a cross over and screw teams on travel.

 

[BigKing]

Was Buff just a rental though? That's the way I saw it.

It's all guessing but I think he would of cost an arm and a leg and DL would rather put the "Lucic Money" towards the blue line if that money is going to a Lucic-type guy like Buff.

 

[KingsFan7824]

as with a lot of trade offers on this board it comes down to Quantity vs Quality.

It's like a top heavy team. That 1st line might get you, but there's no depth.

Maybe because post season > regular season.
But I think it would be nice to see 4 in the pac make the playoffs. Even though with our luck it will be a case were there is still a cross over and screw teams on travel.

Well since realignment, it's been Kings/Ducks, Ducks/Flames, and Sharks/Predators in the 2nd round in the Pac bracket. 2014, ok. 2015, that Flames team is considered one of the weaker teams to not only make the playoffs, but win a round, in at least a few years. Then the Ducks, the division winner, lost to Nashville this year. Sort of a mixed bag in terms of playoff results there.

 

[BigKing]

It's like a top heavy team. That 1st line might get you, but there's no depth.



Well since realignment, it's been Kings/Ducks, Ducks/Flames, and Sharks/Predators in the 2nd round in the Pac bracket. 2014, ok. 2015, that Flames team is considered one of the weaker teams to not only make the playoffs, but win a round, in at least a few years. Then the Ducks, the division winner, lost to Nashville this year. Sort of a mixed bag in terms of playoff results there.

Vancouver was more of a joke store in '15 than Calgary was.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

What doesn't make sense?

If I am a player I want to be protected by whatever team I sign with, so I would ask for a NMC.

If I'm a UFA player this year. I'm looking at a 1 year deal so I don't have to deal with anything.

 

[tsanuri]

If I'm a UFA player this year. I'm looking at a 1 year deal so I don't have to deal with anything.

That isn't a very good idea either. You have made UFA which means you get offered more money on longer term. But you risk injury to sign a 1 year deal? Which also will cost you money because you have no place to even hide any of the cap hit. Meaning teams pay even less.