GDT: Offseason GDT II

[Raccoon Jesus]

candid takes from jon rosen in his blog.

"There are no trades on the table because no teams want to take on Brown's contract. So Brown will be a King in 2016-17."

"No team will take on Brown's contract. At this time, the idea of any sort of trade, even one in which the Kings retain salary, is farfetched."

"I'm expecting some significant moves, but I wouldn't hold out hope for anything "mindblowing" "

"Lucic isn't too close at the moment. If they don't re-sign him (which would represent poor asset management), they'll still have capital to acquire key players via trade or free agency. One of those two things will happen. Other than that, there may be secondary-type moves to free up space to allow younger players to compete for a spot. Will be difficult to re-sign Trevor Lewis.

Dean tends to be active in late June, though I don't have anything concrete that he's working on something really big."

I hope they can move some of the plugs for picks.

That's really blunt as far as Rosen goes.

 

[YP44]

Why is the cap based on the Canadian dollar anyways?

it's not it's based on league revenues in USD.
There are currently 7 CDN teams or 24% of teams that earn revenue in CDN. However those 24% bring in a much larger % of total league revenue. So when the CDN dollar is lower the league revenue is lower.

So it is not based on the loonie but the loonie has a large impact on it.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

That's really blunt as far as Rosen goes.

Ehh he also said there was zero chance the Kings would be interested in Scuderi when he was waived. I guess that was based on the fact that the Kings didn't want to be stuck with the full $2.25 million cap hit for 2 years though.

 

[YP44]

Godamnit Canada, get your **** together so the Cap can go up. Ditch that oil sands BS or something, start making Avro Arrows.

or I coudl say Godamnit USA get your **** together so the cap goes up. The fact that 24% of teams produce much more than 24% of league revenues is embarrassing.

It's not Canada that is hindering the cap..on average the canadian teams contribute much more revenue than American teams. So if the American teams could bring up their revenues to = the Canadian clubs that would increase the cap and make the league less reliant on the canadian dollar.

It's why Carolina, Florida and what not should be moved.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

it's not it's based on league revenues in USD.
There are currently 7 CDN teams or 24% of teams that earn revenue in CDN. However those 24% bring in a much larger % of total league revenue. So when the CDN dollar is lower the league revenue is lower.

So it is not based on the loonie but the loonie has a large impact on it.

That makes sense. I saw that article where Bettman said a stronger Canadian dollar would've meant $100-200 more in league revenue.

 

[KingsCourt]

the canadian dollar has been gaining strength for a few months now going from 1.45 in mid jan to 1.31 currently...hitting a low of 1.25 in may...so that should stablize ..i deal with it daily, so the cap implications are always top of mind....lol

 

[YP44]

With Clitsome and Philips retiring why has VL not announced yet?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ehh he also said there was zero chance the Kings would be interested in Scuderi when he was waived. I guess that was based on the fact that the Kings didn't want to be stuck with the full $2.25 million cap hit for 2 years though.

That's true. He rarely speaks in such certainties, though, so I think it's really telling.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

That's true. He rarely speaks in such certainties, though, so I think it's really telling.

The most telling thing for me was when he said the Kings have capital to acquire players through trade if they want. What capital? 2017 picks?

Also how he said some guys might get moved to clear cap space. Sounds in line with some who think King or Clifford might get moved.

 

[BigKing]

That's really blunt as far as Rosen goes.

Backs up my thought from yesterday about the Lucic situation being horrible asset management and a mistake if he is not brought back, although it could be a mistake to bring him back on a long-term deal anyways.

Regardless, there shouldn't be any debate on it being poor asset management.

Lombardi could still come through with a zinger out of nowhere, but Rosen seems to feel like I do: the Lucic money will be used somehow but some powder will be kept dry for the upcoming Toffoli/Pearson extensions and flexibility during the season. Youth will be given every chance to fill the bottom pair and bottom six.

If there were to be a big move, I'd lean towards a Yandle signing just because of DL's fondness for him, at least when it came to picking the 2014 Olympic Team. He'd probably rather give Yandle a six year deal over Lucic at this point.

 

[tsanuri]

or I coudl say Godamnit USA get your **** together so the cap goes up. The fact that 24% of teams produce much more than 24% of league revenues is embarrassing.

It's not Canada that is hindering the cap..on average the canadian teams contribute much more revenue than American teams. So if the American teams could bring up their revenues to = the Canadian clubs that would increase the cap and make the league less reliant on the canadian dollar.

It's why Carolina, Florida and what not should be moved.

If you want to be shortsighted you relocate those teams. But in the long run those teams will help.
You move them now when the next TV contract comes up you have less markets that are larger. Which lowers the money offered.
And there is plenty of blame to go around as to why there is such a discrepancy between the Canadian and US markets. And right at the top of that list is how short sighted the O6 were. And the good ole boys club that ruled at the time. Teams in Canada make more overall just because that is the founding place of the game and the game itself is almost like a religion. But until 1967 they never even moved the game west of the Mississippi. And our team being one of those teams coming up on their 50th anniversary is really just starting to be a team that is making money.
It takes years for a team to get to a stable point and winning helps that as well. I'm one that advocates it takes 2 generations or right around the 50 year mark in a non traditional market. Simply because it takes that long for those that grew up with the sport in their home city to be at a place they can spend the money to really support the team.

We are a unique league where these are some many teams in different countries. The NBA has one team in Canada the other 29 are in the US. MLB is the same. The NFL has o teams in Canada. MLS appears to be going down a path much closer to the NHL in having 3 teams in Canada and 17 in the US. But they have a very different structure right now.
But because of this uniqueness the NHL faces some interesting hurdles. Let's not go down the path of calling each other out over it. Let's just explain it and help everyone try to understand it. Because in the end that is what is best for the sport we all love. If we didn't we wouldn't be here.

 

[Omni Owl]

or I coudl say Godamnit USA get your **** together so the cap goes up. The fact that 24% of teams produce much more than 24% of league revenues is embarrassing.

It's not Canada that is hindering the cap..on average the canadian teams contribute much more revenue than American teams. So if the American teams could bring up their revenues to = the Canadian clubs that would increase the cap and make the league less reliant on the canadian dollar.

It's why Carolina, Florida and what not should be moved.

I was only kidding, of course Canadians are more passionate about hockey. Down here, its nothing but football, baseball, basketball, NASCAR, etc... Basically filler bull ****, to me at least. Hockey is really the only sport I follow.

Anyways, I'm relieved to hear we might let Lucic walk. It frees up some cash for a defenseman, now we just have to wait and see which one we get.

 

[theMajor]

candid takes from jon rosen in his blog.

"There are no trades on the table because no teams want to take on Brown's contract. So Brown will be a King in 2016-17."

"No team will take on Brown's contract. At this time, the idea of any sort of trade, even one in which the Kings retain salary, is farfetched."

"I'm expecting some significant moves, but I wouldn't hold out hope for anything "mindblowing" "

"Lucic isn't too close at the moment. If they don't re-sign him (which would represent poor asset management), they'll still have capital to acquire key players via trade or free agency. One of those two things will happen. Other than that, there may be secondary-type moves to free up space to allow younger players to compete for a spot. Will be difficult to re-sign Trevor Lewis.

Dean tends to be active in late June, though I don't have anything concrete that he's working on something really big."

I hope they can move some of the plugs for picks.

welp. blow the team up! trade everyone! we are destined for another 10 year slump if we dont do something fast!!1!!

 

[tsanuri]

I was only kidding, of course Canadians are more passionate about hockey. Down here, its nothing but football, baseball, basketball, NASCAR, etc... Basically filler bull ****, to me at least. Hockey is really the only sport I follow.

Anyways, I'm relieved to hear we might let Lucic walk. It frees up some cash for a defenseman, now we just have to wait and see which one we get.

I don't see adding a D man as a good thing with the impending expansion draft. Since rumors are starting to float it seems like it will happen. Of course the committee will first vote on Tues with their recommendation. Which Bettman expects the vote results will get leaked. And then the BoG will vote on that recommendation a few weeks later in Vegas.

 

[YP44]

If you want to be shortsighted you relocate those teams. But in the long run those teams will help.
You move them now when the next TV contract comes up you have less markets that are larger. Which lowers the money offered.
And there is plenty of blame to go around as to why there is such a discrepancy between the Canadian and US markets. And right at the top of that list is how short sighted the O6 were. And the good ole boys club that ruled at the time. Teams in Canada make more overall just because that is the founding place of the game and the game itself is almost like a religion. But until 1967 they never even moved the game west of the Mississippi. And our team being one of those teams coming up on their 50th anniversary is really just starting to be a team that is making money.
It takes years for a team to get to a stable point and winning helps that as well. I'm one that advocates it takes 2 generations or right around the 50 year mark in a non traditional market. Simply because it takes that long for those that grew up with the sport in their home city to be at a place they can spend the money to really support the team.

We are a unique league where these are some many teams in different countries. The NBA has one team in Canada the other 29 are in the US. MLB is the same. The NFL has o teams in Canada. MLS appears to be going down a path much closer to the NHL in having 3 teams in Canada and 17 in the US. But they have a very different structure right now.
But because of this uniqueness the NHL faces some interesting hurdles. Let's not go down the path of calling each other out over it. Let's just explain it and help everyone try to understand it. Because in the end that is what is best for the sport we all love. If we didn't we wouldn't be here.

I agree to an extent. Where I do think teams should be relocated is if there is a rabid fan base that will make money that is currently undeserved, than it makes sense to move a team from a market that does not have that fanbase.

The best place to me the NHL should go is southern Ontario. Two teams in the GTA or a team in Hamilton makes sense from a revenue standpoint. The fact there are kids whose parents cannot afford to take them to a game in Toronto is a shame.

However the "old boys club" still exists and the league will never go for it as that area is Maple leaf (and to a lesser extent Sabre) property.

Why spend the time and effort growing a market when there is already undeserved demand elsewhere? That maybe a contradictory statement coming from a kings fan whose club wouldn't exist if 50 years ago that was thinking, but times have changed. What is best for the kings is a growing cap which means as many profitable teams as possible.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Kiss Trevor Lewis goodbye.

The Isles signed Casey Cizikas to a 5-year deal worth $3.35M per season.

Cizikas had 29 points this past season, centering the Isles' checking line between Matt Martin (who is also a UFA) and Cal Clutterbuck.

In his previous two seasons Cizikas had 18 points and 16 points.

 

[Omni Owl]

I don't see adding a D man as a good thing with the impending expansion draft. Since rumors are starting to float it seems like it will happen. Of course the committee will first vote on Tues with their recommendation. Which Bettman expects the vote results will get leaked. And then the BoG will vote on that recommendation a few weeks later in Vegas.

Well I definitely wouldn't want to go in to next season with the D we have now, its ****ing pitiful.

Bye bye Lewis, despite your stone hands, you'll actually be missed.

 

[YP44]

Kiss Trevor Lewis goodbye.

The Isles signed Casey Cizikas to a 5-year deal worth $3.35M per season.

Cizikas had 29 points this past season, centering the Isles' checking line between Matt Martin (who is also a UFA) and Cal Clutterbuck.

In his previous two seasons Cizikas had 18 points and 16 points.

I don't know many who expected him back but yup this sealed it.
I still think he will sign in Buffalo or Carolina

 

[Telos]

Kiss Trevor Lewis goodbye.

The Isles signed Casey Cizikas to a 5-year deal worth $3.35M per season.

Cizikas had 29 points this past season, centering the Isles' checking line between Matt Martin (who is also a UFA) and Cal Clutterbuck.

In his previous two seasons Cizikas had 18 points and 16 points.

Kinda sucks. I think Trevor Lewis is a player we should definitely make a large effort to keep, but obviously we can't come close to anything that crazy. I would give him a Kyle Clifford like deal at $2-2.25 million a season though.

 

[BigKing]

If DL adds a good defenseman, look for him to strike a deal with the expansion teams so they agree not to take one of them.

Hopefully it won't be like when DT sent Timmonen to Nashville so the Kings could keep Fiset and Storr. Left O'Donnell exposed as well. Kings left that expansion draft holding a pile of **** in net while allowing two guys go that wound up playing in to this current decade haha.

 

[YP44]

I don't see adding a D man as a good thing with the impending expansion draft. Since rumors are starting to float it seems like it will happen. Of course the committee will first vote on Tues with their recommendation. Which Bettman expects the vote results will get leaked. And then the BoG will vote on that recommendation a few weeks later in Vegas.

Is signing Yandle for 1 yr $5M out of the question? Yandle could take the one year so that it is guaranteed he does not have to play in Vegas. LA could pay more for one year so that they do not have to protect ,and then after the expansion draft LA could re-sing yandle.

Just using yandle as an example.

 

[KingsCourt]

Kiss Trevor Lewis goodbye.

The Isles signed Casey Cizikas to a 5-year deal worth $3.35M per season.

Cizikas had 29 points this past season, centering the Isles' checking line between Matt Martin (who is also a UFA) and Cal Clutterbuck.

In his previous two seasons Cizikas had 18 points and 16 points.

I really like that line, but CC making that kind money is insane. Going to have to produce at that level.

 

[tsanuri]

I agree to an extent. Where I do think teams should be relocated is if there is a rabid fan base that will make money that is currently undeserved, than it makes sense to move a team from a market that does not have that fanbase.

The best place to me the NHL should go is southern Ontario. Two teams in the GTA or a team in Hamilton makes sense from a revenue standpoint. The fact there are kids whose parents cannot afford to take them to a game in Toronto is a shame.

However the "old boys club" still exists and the league will never go for it as that area is Maple leaf (and to a lesser extent Sabre) property.

Why spend the time and effort growing a market when there is already undeserved demand elsewhere? That maybe a contradictory statement coming from a kings fan whose club wouldn't exist if 50 years ago that was thinking, but times have changed. What is best for the kings is a growing cap which means as many profitable teams as possible.

It also a case there has to be an owner willing to go there.
I couldn't believe there wasn't a big for a second team in the GTA.
We know there would have been a fight but they could have placed the bid.
Being from the market not just a fan of the Kings I am ok with letting markets grow. Otherwise not only would we have not gotten a team that team would have been ripped away. Hockey didn't even come onto the map for me really until the 1980 Olympics and the Miracle on Ice. I was 10 at the time. I knew there was a hockey team in LA but had never watched or gone to a game. Nobody in my family was a hockey fan. And it didn't help there was no live TV games of the Kings. Games were rebroadcast late at night. Even once I became a fan the games were rebroadcast, edited, after the Lakers games. And just a few years later I was watching one of those games and it turned out to be the Miracle on Manchester. I was then hooked.
But I didn't get to go to my first game for 4 more years. After I had gotten a job and I had to sneak down to the Forum. I lived in the burbs and that wasn't a good place.

I'm all for GTA 2, but where do you think in the US is underserved?
And adding Canadian teams won't help the problem of the two currencies. It would actually make it worse. I can't think of a single US market that could add a team and be an instant hit. There are some maybes there. Seattle, Portland, Hartford and Huston. But once again we have the problem of needing an owner, arena, or both. But all those places had a chance but failed to apply as well. Which means at the cost there were no owners avail.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Is signing Yandle for 1 yr $5M out of the question? Yandle could take the one year so that it is guaranteed he does not have to play in Vegas. LA could pay more for one year so that they do not have to protect ,and then after the expansion draft LA could re-sing yandle.

Just using yandle as an example.

A player like Yandle though, that's a lot of guaranteed money they're giving up. The top paid guys (Yandle, Ladd, Okposo, etc) would be giving up $35-45 million guaranteed by signing a 1 year deal.

 

[tsanuri]

Is signing Yandle for 1 yr $5M out of the question? Yandle could take the one year so that it is guaranteed he does not have to play in Vegas. LA could pay more for one year so that they do not have to protect ,and then after the expansion draft LA could re-sing yandle.

Just using yandle as an example.

If and man is that a big IF we could do that it would be great.
But what incentive does a 29 year old UFA have in signing a 1 year deal? He's considered in his prime for a D man in a big way. And that means multi year deal.