GDT: Offseason game thread
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Kingsfan1
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Kingsfan1
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Lol. I actually wish we can somehow pull off a 3 way trade that has us recieving Vatanen as i think he will be traded this off season
damacles1156
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I believe Brown can pick Seven teams he will not approve a trade too.
You can bet all the teams with cap space, Brown will have as (No) on his list.
So NJ/PHX/TOR/WPJ/CAR/Buff. I only listed six. The rest of the league would want major compensation to take Brown at even 50%; because the rest of the teams are up against a stagnant cap, with their own RFA/UFA/ELC people to sign.
Brown has a lot of kids, all entering that school age. He is not going to want uproot his family.
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Then he's really going to need to figure out what's wrong and start playing better.
Don't know if I do it. Kings do need an agitator, but that contract on Perry is just horrendous. Not very clutch in the playoffs. It's only going to get worse as he ages.
I actually think he had his best season in several years, but he's just not top six material anymore. He's hitting again so that's a good sign. He can do some pretty good bursts of speed and get the odd breakaway. I still like him on the PK and defensive situations. I he can shed the ref reputation, he might be able to draw calls again like he used to which was an undervalued part of his game.
The Tikkanen
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Brown needs to hire the guy Luc hired to train him one summer during the latter part of his career. That trainer clearly understood what a hockey player needs to train and Luc came into that season with a more explosive burst and his foot speed improved. Watching that video of Brown last off season running in the woods his upper body appeared way too bulky for hockey. Carrying around extra muscle up top makes you slower and requires more oxygen when you play. Lower body=bulky, powerful, explosive. Upper body=lean. It's a pretty simple formula. When you see Carter does he look bulky? No, dude is shredded and you can see how fast he is when he skates. If you watch video of a younger Brown compared to today you will see a much slower hockey player. That speed can be regained, we can re-build him, we have the technology.
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Well he technically is the Six Million Dollar Man. Nice reference and I agree with the logic
Basilisk
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I don't think his energy or speed is the issue. He actually looked great this season in that regard. The problem is that he cannot finish and also, he has deviated from what initially made him successful: standing in front of the net like Lucic and getting those garbage goals. He is trying too hard and overcomplicated his role. On many occasions he comes flying into the blue line with the defender keeping him on the perimeter and just flinging the puck with a weak wrist shot. Also, because he does not have the set up skills like Kopitar, he cannot even use his energy to make a good play or pass.
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Quattro
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This x 1000. I am so damn sick of people slamming Brown as "worthless" or "useless". The guy captained this team through the greatest period in team history, a period that may never be repeated. It may be that because of his contract he eventually will have to move on but that will be a very sad day in my mind.
That may be the only thing that could make me stop being a Kings fan.
I actually think Brown was faster and more athletic this season compared to the last two, but that isnt what was wrong with his game to begin with. he needs to hit more and spend this entire summer blasting pucks at a shooter-tutor. I want to say this was his worst season as far as his shooting percentage goes
KingsFan7824
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Jones was done as a King. He was a RFA that wanted to start. He had little value last year. Same situation as Bernier. There's also still no proven 4th guy on that defense. Two wingers in their mid-30's on the first line, one of which had 3 goals in the last 30 games last year. Two rookies on the 3rd line. Looks like a team with some holes.
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Ziggy Stardust
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If a player on another team was earning close to $6M and producing less than 30 points, he'd be mocked, but to some homers here, he is still revered for things he did 4 years ago.
It's like hanging onto a past his prime Kevin Stevens only because of what he did in the past and not accepting that he's no longer the player he once was. That's Dustin Brown today. Stop burying your head in the sand and ignoring the downward trend in production since 2014.
He's not even good enough anymore to be considered a premier checking line forward.
It's like hanging onto a past his prime Kevin Stevens only because of what he did in the past and not accepting that he's no longer the player he once was. That's Dustin Brown today. Stop burying your head in the sand and ignoring the downward trend in production since 2014.
He's not even good enough anymore to be considered a premier checking line forward.
Raccoon Jesus
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There is literally no one here ignoring Brown's production. No need for the red herring to prove your point.
Ziggy Stardust
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I see some comments in other discussions (one was brought up in here) and also other sites like lakingsinsider where people defend Brown and make excuses for him.
If he was good at his role, most of us wouldn't be making such a big deal about his contract, but like I said, he's not even that good of a checking line forward because he hardly ever pressures opposing dmen. He's actually one of the easiest Kings players to defend because of how easily the puck is stripped away from him.
It's not just his offensive numbers that have tailed off. That's why I can't stand seeing that waste of salary cap space starting with the team next season. He is dead weight. If he was still valued, some team or teams out there would be interested in his services.
I don't hate Brown, but at this point he is the reason Scuderi/Schenn are in the top 4. Kings don't have anyone on the farm ready to come in at 1M in the top4, probably won't for some time. The other way is to spend money to fill that hole. That money is being spent on a guy who's blending right in on the 3rd line with guys like Lewis/King/Shore.
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+1...pretty much...he's good for the opportunistic hit, but he has just turned into Frolov... total enigma
kingscups
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Ya, and if not Vatanen, any one of the other promising young defenders will do, a la the silent trading partner in the O'Sullivan deal.
SettlementRichie10
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Brown has been a nonfactor for years now. Opposing teams don't have to account for him. He's not scouted. He doesn't draw top defensive pairings. He is a nonfactor, another faceless, low threat depth winger. For all of Gaborik's struggles this past year, he still needs to accounted for on the ice, and will draw coverage.
Brown was never a smart hockey player. He possessed freakish physical tools that allowed him to outwork opposing players. Now with his knee shot, and these tools slowly rusting away, his low hockey IQ has been exposed. He will never again crack 20 goals. He's done as a top six player.
With that said, it's obvious that Brown can be effective in a bottom six role. Unfortunately, he's being paid top six money. That's simply unacceptable. If you go down the list of players on this team, how much they're making, and what kind of impact they leave on any given game, Brown is the most glaring problem. He needs to be dealt with.
We'll see what Dean can pull out of his hat this offseason. But it should be clear to him, as it's clear to all of us, that he doesn't have a place on this team anymore with that cap hit. It's sad. It sucks. We all love the guy. If he was producing even 20-30-50, this would be a nonissue. But it's clear this guy just doesn't have it in the offensive zone anymore.
Brown was never a smart hockey player. He possessed freakish physical tools that allowed him to outwork opposing players. Now with his knee shot, and these tools slowly rusting away, his low hockey IQ has been exposed. He will never again crack 20 goals. He's done as a top six player.
With that said, it's obvious that Brown can be effective in a bottom six role. Unfortunately, he's being paid top six money. That's simply unacceptable. If you go down the list of players on this team, how much they're making, and what kind of impact they leave on any given game, Brown is the most glaring problem. He needs to be dealt with.
We'll see what Dean can pull out of his hat this offseason. But it should be clear to him, as it's clear to all of us, that he doesn't have a place on this team anymore with that cap hit. It's sad. It sucks. We all love the guy. If he was producing even 20-30-50, this would be a nonissue. But it's clear this guy just doesn't have it in the offensive zone anymore.
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Brown is done here in LA. Getting in shape or not isn't the issue, he is just not the skilled checking power forward he once was. Similar to Richards', his decline happened fast. He also just doesn't seem to fit into the Kings mix of forwards. The top 2 lines are set, and Brown has found himself on 3rd line occasionally rotating on the 1st or 2nd when other guys struggle, but, even then he doesn't seem to produce. There are tons of other 3rd liners that can be had for less than 2 million.
He needs a change of scenery and I think he may get it.
Brown is done here in LA. Getting in shape or not isn't the issue, he is just not the skilled checking power forward he once was. Similar to Richards', his decline happened fast. He also just doesn't seem to fit into the Kings mix of forwards. The top 2 lines are set, and Brown has found himself on 3rd line occasionally rotating on the 1st or 2nd when other guys struggle, but, even then he doesn't seem to produce. There are tons of other 3rd liners that can be had for less than 2 million.
He needs a change of scenery and I think he may get it.
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