GDT: Offseason game thread

[sinister6000]

When do you think they'll let Voynov back in the country?

 

[AlphaBravo]

McDonagh might be on the trade block? Man, what could the Kings possibly give up to get the guy without including Toffoli? Pearson + Kempe + the next 10 first round picks?

Is this an actual rumor? If the Rangers move McDonagh then they are in a full blown rebuild. That means Lundquist will get moved also.

 

[tsanuri]

Buying out Brown isn't the worst option.

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/959

Better to have six additional seasons of a cap hit of $1,805,555 through 2028 than to have $5,875,000 of cap space wasting away at such a useless player.

There's 2 years in there of almost 3.7M dead space on the cap to buy him out. I would think it's a much better option to trade him with 2-2.5M retained if it came to that. If it could happen on the low end of that at 2M that would be close enough or half of the buyout cap number in 10 of the 12 years but only paying it for 6.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Is this an actual rumor? If the Rangers move McDonagh then they are in a full blown rebuild. That means Lundquist will get moved also.

I don't think so. More of a Larry Brooks' article.

 

[tsanuri]

When do you think they'll let Voynov back in the country?

First off he signed in the KHL until 2018.
Then if he could get reentry, which I think he could, with a contract being signed.
He would then have to face whatever the league throws at him. And with the current state of PR I would think he'd be facing a year long suspension.
And I don't think at this point he'd every play for the Kings again. They would trade him. And he might get something back but that long out of the NHL the return would likely be small.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Those were some really shady deals that allowed teams to bury cap hits. They were also made when the cap was in a different space.

I don't know. I want to think that Brown is moveable, too, but it's going to be a miracle of a trade if we're not saddled with something in return, or trading Brown plus assets (which we don't have) for virtually nothing.

 

[Fishhead]

Those were some really shady deals that allowed teams to bury cap hits. They were also made when the cap was in a different space.

I don't know. I want to think that Brown is moveable, too, but it's going to be a miracle of a trade if we're not saddled with something in return, or trading Brown plus assets (which we don't have) for virtually nothing.

Well, Philly had been trying to dump Vinny for quite a while, looked how that turned out. That's probably what we are looking at, but what players out there fit that description? I'd probably take a waiver on Staal in NY at this point.

 

[AlphaBravo]

This may be my own bias, but Brown has a lot more upside and more to give even if he can't score than most other cap dumps. Unlike Vinny and Richards and other cap dumps, Brown's energy level and physical play are not gone. This isn't a situation where injuries or old age took a toll on a player. I could see us making a deal with assets and prospects going the other way and us retaining maybe $1.5 million.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

First off he signed in the KHL until 2018.
Then if he could get reentry, which I think he could, with a contract being signed.
He would then have to face whatever the league throws at him. And with the current state of PR I would think he'd be facing a year long suspension.
And I don't think at this point he'd every play for the Kings again. They would trade him. And he might get something back but that long out of the NHL the return would likely be small.

A year suspension on top of the three seasons he would have already missed? What's the point of that?

 

[DocWest]

Let Voynov go, he will never be a King again. He's a garbage human being anyway.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Let Voynov go, he will never be a King again. He's a garbage human being anyway.

Right, cause you know him personally....and have probably never made a mistake in your life. If you had, you might be garbage too, huh?

 

[tsanuri]

A year suspension on top of the three seasons he would have already missed? What's the point of that?

He's been playing the game and getting paid in the KHL. The NHL never issued any real punishment. He was paid all the time he was suspended. It punished the team more than him.
And yes I think that would happen. Because if the NHL didn't do something like that it would be a PR nightmare for them.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The only value Voynov has to the Kings upon return is as a trade asset. I can't imagine they'd have him back after all they've done to distance themselves from off-ice issues.

He's been struggling in the KHL too, for all we know he's toast as a player.

Let's not get back into the morals of the case please, only the business standpoint.

 

[AlphaBravo]

The only value Voynov has to the Kings upon return is as a trade asset. I can't imagine they'd have him back after all they've done to distance themselves from off-ice issues.

He's been struggling in the KHL too, for all we know he's toast as a player.

Let's not get back into the morals of the case please, only the business standpoint.

Assuming there was a way to bring him back, I think DL could find a way to make it work. He would basically have to turn the Voynov situation into a teachable moment. Voynov could take a domestic abuse class, and volunteer time to helping fight domestic abuse. A good PR rep could rehabilitate his image.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Well, Philly had been trying to dump Vinny for quite a while, looked how that turned out. That's probably what we are looking at, but what players out there fit that description? I'd probably take a waiver on Staal in NY at this point.

Lecavalier also seems to be giving up the last 2 years of his contract. If Brown was going to retire after next season, I'm sure it would be much easier to trade him.

 

[Martyros]

We're still talking about Voynov? Should we continue to wait for Allison and Deadmarsh too, while we're at it?

 

[go4hockey]

Let Voynov go, he will never be a King again. He's a garbage human being anyway.

Cause everyone else is perfect right. He made a bad mistake and has paid his dues but your spitting BS as you don't even know the guy.

 

[HarrisonFord]

Trading Toffoli would be insane. However if we do trade him, it can only be in a package deal along with Kempe and a few draft picks for a return of a single meh player on the Leafs' current roster.

I ask because I really don't know, how far off would a Toffoli for Gardiner trade be in terms of value? Gardiner is an extremely underrated defenseman in a Muzzin type mold and is signed for $4.05M per for the next 3 seasons

 

[kingskring]

It's Monday morning quarterbacking for sure, but had Lombardi eschewed from acquiring Sekera at the 2015 trade deadline, he would have entered this past off-season with Jones, prospects Roland McKeown and Colin Miler and their 2015 and 2016 first round draft picks available in some combination for a top-four defenseman and (possibly even a top-pair defenseman) with term instead of renting a player that plays the position with arguably the organization's greatest depth.

The Lucic extension may be Lombardi's last big deal if he decides to do like Pierre Lacroix did in Colorado a while ago, step away from the GM role while holding on the President's title to continue to be an influencer without the heavy lifting of the day-to-day grind. The Lucic deal is an important one because it will commence the likely jettisoning of at least one of the stars that were responsible for at least one Cup for the boss with Marian Gaborik and Dustin Brown front and center.

There is chatter that Lucic's goal production in his last two seasons (18 and 20G and not on the board in the post-season) and his strong public statements could keep his price down to $5 million per year on a long-term deal. We spoke with one NHL team manager, requesting anonymity, who thinks that's wishful thinking, but understands Lombardi's logic around this player and the mentality of the marketplace.

When people suggest that Lucic is willing to take a hometown discount, the discount is $6 million a season," the rival team executive told TFP. "Remember that while his cap hit was $6 million this season, his cash salary was $6.5 million. There's only one of him in the NHL and this is a League where Jeff Petry got $5.5 million a year for six years.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/columnists/bernstein/db160427.html

 

[kings11]

I ask because I really don't know, how far off would a Toffoli for Gardiner trade be in terms of value? Gardiner is an extremely underrated defenseman in a Muzzin type mold and is signed for $4.05M per for the next 3 seasons

I think its pretty equal value, talent wise in that we get a top 4 dman and Toronto gets a 30+ goal sniper..
I think a full season of Versteeg and maybe Mersch help offset Toffoli's offense but the boon of having Gardiner on defense could put us back in contention...also maybe add D.King to that trade to clear a bit more cap space....

Doughty-Gardiner
Martinez-Muzzin
McNabb/Gravel/Forbort/Scuderi/Greene

 

[SFKingshomer]

How much did Brown play with Kopi or Carter? Would Lucic produce playing with Shore/Andreoff/Lewis or Richards/Stoll? Brown is at his best when he keeps it simple and drives the net. He tries to do too much when he's with a offensively challenged center. I don't believe his game has fallen off as much as his numbers indicate. He's certainly not in Richards or Stoll territory. I think another team takes a chance on him and with better linemates and less pressure then he will produce.

 

[kingskring]

so 6MM AAV

 

[tsanuri]

A warning was already given about staying off the moral stuff.
Let this be the last warning.

 

[damacles1156]

Lombardi has to want Brown gone first of all, and Brown has a NTC. I am not even sure Lombardi wants Brown gone.

Dustin Brown is not Mike Richards bad. Richards is not an NHL player if you ask me.

Dustin Brown can veto any trade put in front of him. If I was Brown, I would do exactly that.

It's not Brown's fault Lombardi gave him that contract. Brown is still an effective bottom six player.

The problem is, Brown is paid like a Top six player.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Lombardi has to want Brown gone first of all, and Brown has a NTC. I am not even sure Lombardi wants Brown gone.

Dustin Brown is not Mike Richards bad. Richards is not an NHL player if you ask me.

Dustin Brown can veto any trade put in front of him. If I was Brown, I would do exactly that.

It's not Brown's fault Lombardi gave him that contract. Brown is still an effective bottom six player.

The problem is, Brown is paid like a Top six player.

Brown's even less likely to uproot his family as well if he has a choice in the matter(and I don't blame him).

I actually sorta wish teams had the option to restructure contracts, but I know that will never happen.