GDT: Offseason game thread

[BigKing]

Lombardi has to want Brown gone first of all, and Brown has a NTC. I am not even sure Lombardi wants Brown gone.

Dustin Brown is not Mike Richards bad. Richards is not an NHL player if you ask me.

Dustin Brown can veto any trade put in front of him. If I was Brown, I would do exactly that.

It's not Brown's fault Lombardi gave him that contract. Brown is still an effective bottom six player.

The problem is, Brown is paid like a Top six player.

Yep.

If Gaborik can still put in 20 goals a year, his cap hit of $4.8MM isn't a total nightmare either so moving him would be more of an attempt to get out in front of a guy who could decline sharply. On a team that isn't known for speed however, it is probably wise to hold on to him.

I'm prepared to be surprised but expect no "major" changes and, if they happen, they probably don't help us much next year as the main point would be to free up salary and not necessarily improve the on-ice product immediately.

Development staff going to have to prove its worth.

Back to Brown...he's at least 40% of the reason they even won a playoff game this year. He's not absolute trash.

 

[damacles1156]

Yep.

If Gaborik can still put in 20 goals a year, his cap hit of $4.8MM isn't a total nightmare either so moving him would be more of an attempt to get out in front of a guy who could decline sharply. On a team that isn't known for speed however, it is probably wise to hold on to him.

I'm prepared to be surprised but expect no "major" changes and, if they happen, they probably don't help us much next year as the main point would be to free up salary and not necessarily improve the on-ice product immediately.

Development staff going to have to prove its worth.

Back to Brown...he's at least 40% of the reason they even won a playoff game this year. He's not absolute trash.

The Kings would have got swept(if you ask me) had Brown not made a really good play.

I also agree with that, getting rid of some salary may not even improve the team next season.

The UFA landscape is barren, and right now teams are not willing to trade young, promising, cost controlled, players.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Lombardi has to want Brown gone first of all, and Brown has a NTC. I am not even sure Lombardi wants Brown gone.

Dustin Brown is not Mike Richards bad. Richards is not an NHL player if you ask me.

Dustin Brown can veto any trade put in front of him. If I was Brown, I would do exactly that.

It's not Brown's fault Lombardi gave him that contract. Brown is still an effective bottom six player.

The problem is, Brown is paid like a Top six player.

Um i thought it was a limited no trade clause and they would work together if it come to it. Thats not exactly a veto any trade as your trying to suggest

 

[Omni Owl]

We're completely ****ed for next year and after if you ask me. There's really nothing much DL can do. I hope we don't re-sign Lucic and acquire a top-4 Dman somehow. Sounds like DL is just about sick of being GM, can't really blame him because that's a lot of stress. Hopefully Sutter is gone as well.

 

[damacles1156]

Um i thought it was a limited no trade clause and they would work together if it come to it. Thats not exactly a veto any trade as your trying to suggest

It's really simple,

Brown gives the Kings a list of teams, that all have the cap space to fit him.

A lot of teams are up against the Cap due to it being stagnant. Teams like PHX/NJ/ARIZ etc would be on my list, I bet they would be on Browns as well.

That's a Veto pretty much.

 

[BigKing]

Um i thought it was a limited no trade clause and they would work together if it come to it. Thats not exactly a veto any trade as your trying to suggest

He can list seven teams he will not accept a trade to.

As long as DL can find a partner that is not on his list, he's good to go.

Regardless, would not be an easy transaction to make due to Brown's status as an all-time King and current captain, never mind finding someone to take him on a deal that isn't heavily tilted against LA.

 

[damacles1156]

Lombardi has to want Brown traded as well. People are just assuming he does.

I would argue he doesn't want Brown in a different uniform. Brown is not a useless player, He is simply overpaid for his role.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We're completely ****ed for next year and after if you ask me. There's really nothing much DL can do. I hope we don't re-sign Lucic and acquire a top-4 Dman somehow. Sounds like DL is just about sick of being GM, can't really blame him because that's a lot of stress. Hopefully Sutter is gone as well.

I don't think it's really that bad and plenty of users here have come up with plausible and realistic scenarios.

And anyway I trust DL to do something from out of left field because that's how it goes.

That's why he gets paid the big bucks. I'm excited rather than worried.

 

[damacles1156]

I would argue that Brown/Vinny were the Kings best bottom six players this year.

King was out half the year, Lewis had a down season if you ask me, Clifford was inconsistent, Nolan was gone.

Shore is not panning out, Andy was good for a spurt but not all year.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Shore is garbage

Andreoff was getting better too bad he didn't play much in the playoffs

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Lombardi has to want Brown traded as well. People are just assuming he does.

AGREED

I would argue he doesn't want Brown in a different uniform. Brown is not a useless player, He is simply overpaid for his role.

DOUBLE AGREED

I would argue that Brown/Vinny were the Kings best bottom six players this year.

TRIPLE AGREED

and i never ever agree with Damacles

 

[BigKing]

I would argue that Brown/Vinny were the Kings best bottom six players this year.

King was out half the year, Lewis had a down season if you ask me, Clifford was inconsistent, Nolan was gone.

Shore is not panning out, Andy was good for a spurt but not all year.

Yep. It all just comes down to the fact that he is the "easiest" to part with when looking at performance v. the top tier of Kings cap hits, plus he isn't the Brown we were used to prior to 2014.

Of course, he's been polarizing for years as there has always been a healthy contingent of those that don't like him and think he never should of been captain.

He's definitely not Mike Richards level...he's still a useful Bottom 6 player.

 

[damacles1156]

The way I look at it.

Sutter this year finally put Brown in the role he belongs (Bottom six player) Brown produced like a bottom six player should.

 

[Kingsfan1]

I also don't see our position as bad as everyone else thinks it is. Realistically Brown is movable just a matter of for what. We have decent prospects in the system that can fill holes and perform much better than some of the players who played for us last year. Sutter is a main problem only because of his unwillingness to play rookies over veterans even if it benefits us. Gravel could have played the entire year and gain more experience and confidence to thrive next year. There is no denying the kid has talent. Mersch would be better than King and Clifford because he has more skill, more speed protects the puck as well as King does and always gets in the scoring areas. Dowd should have his name penciled in as well.

I say King or Clifford get traded on draft day for a draft pick or moved along with another pick to pick higher. Lucic needs to be resigned because he brought so much to this team. If we find a taker for Brown and resign Lucic, how does our cap look with King or Clifford gone as well. Does it leave room for a dmen via free agency or do we trade for a Dman

I don't see Dean trading Gaborik because Gaborik still has game breaking speed and can snipe. He is one of our purest snipers along with Toffoli so people asking for either to be traded is laughable, Dean also stated Gaborik can be our Teemu

Let's say Brown is not moved, Lucic is resigned because Richards cap hit gets lower, Lewis caphit is gone and the cap is rising, we are looking at the following roster

Pearson-Kopitar-Gaborik
Lucic-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Dowd-Brown
King/Clifford-Shore-Andreoff
Nolan

Gravel-Doughty- if Mcnabb was given a chance why not someone better suited for it
Muzzin-Martinez
Mcnabb-Greene
Forbort-Scuderi

Quick
Ufa

What's the cap looking like for the above team ? We can also sign some players via free agency if Brown is moved. All in all we don't look as bad as some are saying. If Ladue signs apparently we very high on him. You have to let the youngsters play. Every other team lets rookies play and hey fare very well. We are to slow. I really believe Gravel will make Martinez expendable and Martinez will be moved. One of Cernak and Ladue will be in the top 4 as well within 3 years. Cernak looks promising.

 

[damacles1156]

I also don't see our position as bad as everyone else thinks it is. Realistically Brown is movable just a matter of for what. We have decent prospects in the system that can fill holes and perform much better than some of the players who played for us last year. Sutter is a main problem only because of his unwillingness to play rookies over veterans even if it benefits us. Gravel could have played the entire year and gain more experience and confidence to thrive next year. There is no denying the kid has talent. Mersch would be better than King and Clifford because he has more skill, more speed protects the puck as well as King does and always gets in the scoring areas. Dowd should have his name penciled in as well.

I say King or Clifford get traded on draft day for a draft pick or moved along with another pick to pick higher. Lucic needs to be resigned because he brought so much to this team. If we find a taker for Brown and resign Lucic, how does our cap look with King or Clifford gone as well. Does it leave room for a dmen via free agency or do we trade for a Dman

I don't see Dean trading Gaborik because Gaborik still has game breaking speed and can snipe. He is one of our purest snipers along with Toffoli so people asking for either to be traded is laughable, Dean also stated Gaborik can be our Teemu

Let's say Brown is not moved, Lucic is resigned because Richards cap hit gets lower, Lewis caphit is gone and the cap is rising, we are looking at the following roster

Pearson-Kopitar-Gaborik
Lucic-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Dowd-Brown
King/Clifford-Shore-Andreoff
Nolan

Gravel-Doughty- if Mcnabb was given a chance why not someone better suited for it
Muzzin-Martinez
Mcnabb-Greene
Forbort-Scuderi

Quick
Ufa

What's the cap looking like for the above team ? We can also sign some players via free agency if Brown is moved. All in all we don't look as bad as some are saying. If Ladue signs apparently we very high on him. You have to let the youngsters play. Every other team lets rookies play and hey fare very well. We are to slow. I really believe Gravel will make Martinez expendable and Martinez will be moved. One of Cernak and Ladue will be in the top 4 as well within 3 years. Cernak looks promising.

How do you even know guys in the AHL can be better than current NHL players ?

Better than actual development and scouting people, paid a salary, and it's their life's work to make those decisions.

You do realize how hard it is to make even the NHL bottom six spots on a roster right ?

 

[KingPuckChoo]

one thing people seem to neglect

of course our roster isn't bad; we would massacre both NYI and TB right now and ten times over

the problem is

we will most likely play ANA & SJ in the 1st rd for the next decade

and our roster compared to theirs won't produce many wins

 

[damacles1156]

The roster changes every year, this team is not going to play the same in 2016.

Could be a worse team with different players or better with the same bodies. Who thought that 2014 team was going to beat anyone in the playoffs ?

I didn't think for one second they would beat the Sharks in 2014.

 

[damacles1156]

Also an AHL player is not better than anyone in the NHL till they actually prove it.

AHL players are simply, AHL players.

 

[Omni Owl]

Also an AHL player is not better than anyone in the NHL till they actually prove it.

AHL players are simply, AHL players.

I'm absolutely positive Gravel would have been better than Scuderi in the post season, McBain as well. I think he could've been better than McBad and Schenn if they hadn't of ****ed up and sent him down after a decent stint.

 

[Trolfoli]

Brown is worthless. He can be replaced by King/Lewis/Clifford/Andy.../Nolan. Forgot Mersch.

Lombardi may not want Brown gone. Lombardi 100% wants that contract gone so he can have depth on defense. Can't afford depth, no cup. It's that easy.

Brown no longer being a top6 is why the Lucic trade was made. It is why Lucic will be resigned. It is why there isn't cap space for another defender and you're going to get some combination of Gravel/McNabb/Scuderi in the top 4.

If Brown vetoes a trade he can be sent to the Reign until he decides he wants to play in the NHL somewhere else.

I am looking forward to Brown/Carter/Toffoli next year though.

Oh yeah and the Kings would win way more playoff games without Brown and his salary spent on a defender.

 

[Trolfoli]

I'm absolutely positive Gravel would have been better than Scuderi in the post season, McBain as well. I think he could've been better than McBad and Schenn if they hadn't of ****ed up and sent him down after a decent stint.

It would have been hard to be worse.

The Kings still weren't going to win that serries with Gravel in the top 4.

 

[Trolfoli]

What about Pearson + Brown for Fayne + Yak?

Pearson would be a great compliment to McDavid, Yak's on his way out, Fayne's a RHD at 3.6M might be enough for the Oilers to take Brown. Brown could replace what ever wing they end up moving for defense. He'd be a solid vet obtainable for very little in the way of assets. Could come in handy after the Oilers go all out for some D.

Just have to have Sutter get Brown sold on Alberta.

 

[Omni Owl]

It would have been hard to be worse.

The Kings still weren't going to win that serries with Gravel in the top 4.

We'll never know thanks to Sutter's incompetent decision making during that series.

 

[Kingsfan1]

How do you even know guys in the AHL can be better than current NHL players ?

Better than actual development and scouting people, paid a salary, and it's their life's work to make those decisions.

You do realize how hard it is to make even the NHL bottom six spots on a roster right ?

Just a hunch ? Hunger and determination to prove themselves.

One scenario i see Dean contemplating is if he wants to get rid of Browns contract i think Toronto would gladly take Brown off our hands along with Kempe so Kempe can be reunited with Nylander. This is only if Lucic is resigned since Lucic and Pearson will be our top 6 left wingers for next several years while we draft and develop others.

Kempe
Brown

For

Bozak

 

[kingsholygrail]

Just a hunch ? Hunger and determination to prove themselves.

One scenario i see Dean contemplating is if he wants to get rid of Browns contract i think Toronto would gladly take Brown off our hands along with Kempe so Kempe can be reunited with Nylander. This is only if Lucic is resigned since Lucic and Pearson will be our top 6 left wingers for next several years while we draft and develop others.

Kempe
Brown

For

Bozak

Brown sees Toronto and says "no."