Official Trade Speculation/Proposal Thread III

[doublechili]

If the Rags take Girardi off the market, I'm assuming there will be a ton of interest in MacDonald. The Bruins, Kings, Wings, Ducks, and Avs have already been reported as showing interest. I expect there to be even more teams involved, and I'm sure even more will inquire as the deadline approaches.

I know everyone thinks we would be lucky to get a 3rd, but I'm sure most teams don't see him the way we do. Minute eating D who can block shots, PK and hold down a 2PP sot in an emegency. Has been bad in a top pairing role, but any team looking to acquire him would have no intention of using him in that capacity. Makes peanuts so literally any team can fit him under the cap at this point. Playoff experience, however brief, is a plus.

I know the idea of getting Subban for him appears to be a pipe dream, but all it takes is for 2 teams to get serious. One team offers a 1st - another counters with a 1st and a C prospect - the other counters with a 2nd and a B prospect - the other counters with a 1st and B prospect - the other counters with B+/A- prospect(Subban).

Again, maybe not likely, but certainly not impossible.

I agree with the bolded. If AMac is the best d-man on the market, someone will be willing to pay for him to strengthen their team for the stretch and playoffs.

 

[SI90]

If with Girardi on the market AMAC holds value be ause he's a top 4 defenseman and most important his cap hit is minuscule. A cap strapped payoff team could add him and another piece for a run because his cap hit is so abysmal.

 

[N Ireland Nets Fan]

I'm aware of this. His reported value has been a 2nd and a 5th. I think everyone here would be ecstatic if he went for a 1st, because we all know he isn't worth it.

That "reported value" was an GM from a team who plays in the East and do you honestly not think GM's use the media to their advantage.

Let's say Boston want AMAc, ring Snow and ask what the Isles want for AMac, Snow says a 1st and Boston say we'll get back to you. Boston GM talks to TSN off the record saying AMac is only worth a 2nd & 5th. It's like a negotiation where teams are trying to down play value and gain an advantage.

Even if one GM believes AMac's true value is a 2nd & 5th, all it takes is competition and rival offers and it doesn't take a wild stretch for an offer to become a 1st round pick.

 

[N Ireland Nets Fan]

I have a pretty good knack for judging talent, i'm not always right of course. I can't help but to agree on Strome. I think it's gonna make a lot of people cry because he's already reached MVP status on these boards for really no proven reason at all.

My Dad and i used to debate and he's pretty much right, the main difference between the average nhl player and the average ahl player is not so much skill set, but being able to do things at speed. Quick with no hesitation. Same in soccer. Nelson has succeeded on every level, not because he got more talented or more skilled, but because he was able to adjust to the game quickly increasing the speed he makes his decisions and then using his body as an advantage. I just don't see it clicking quickly with Strome and when it does I don't think he's going to be that big of a factor as people are hoping. Just my two cents.

I don't like E. Kane, but i'm lacking in any definitive ways to express it. I would not be heart broken if we traded Strome for an impact player, but if they do hold on to him i hope my prognostications turn out to be completely without merit.

Why are people being so down on Strome?

Your comparing Strome to Nelson saying Nelson has succeeded at every level yet Strome has clearly out performed Nelson at each stage of his development from minors/NCAA to international play and then the AHL.

I just don't get it at all. In his first season as a professional, Strome is absolutely ripping up the AHL. Any chance he has got with the Islanders has been with the 3rd line and when he has been giving a really high % of defensive zone starts which indicates to me that the Isles are trying to develop his defensive side of his game because it still needs work. Yet people rarely talk about his usage during games in the NHL which is clearly not putting him in the best position to succeed in regards points but it is developing his all around game which I bet we don't start to see the full benefit of until next season. It's part of the reason Strome is playing on the 3rd line again and not further up the roster in my opinion with Bailey centering the 2nd line, it's challenging him to improve his weak points in his game which would then let him move up to a top 6 role.

Nelson has been fantastic for the Islanders and yet if you compare Strome and Nelson's first season as pros it's not even close, Strome has completely outperformed Nelson's first season by using their Bridgeport stats as a guide line in which Nelson got his first taste of the NHL in the playoffs at seasons end. It's no coincidence that Bridgeport suddenly start to win games once Strome is playing either. Then when you factor in Nelson is 22 years old and Strome only 20 it should be clear that Strome is going to be a serious player in the NHL long term for the Isles.

Nelson has been super but his most impressive attribute has been his ability to move from left wing of the 1st line, to centering the 3rd line to left wing of the 3rd line and then playing wing on the 2nd line. No matter where he has moved he hasn't looked out of place at all which is a fantastic asset to have long term. Now he's going to be our number 1 center for the last 20 odd games, so he is showing fantastic versatility.

Long term, I'm talking Brooklyn away, I believe the Isles ideal situation is for JT to be our franchise 1st line center, Strome to be our number 2 center leading the secondary scoring unit with Nelson the 3rd line center who does it all, from powerplay to penalty kills. Nielsen would then be moved on to bring in further assets to fill holes on the roster down the road.

Don't get me wrong, I could be way off here but all statistics point towards Strome being a great NHL player for the Islanders and I just don't understand why so many Islander fans seem to be writing him off due to his showings in his first stint with the Islanders as a rookie brought in half way through a losing season while playing 3rd line heavy defensive zone minutes. He's 20 years old with a super high ceiling talent wise and someone who is looking to Tavares to learn from through off season training and I can't think of a better guy to mirror.

 

[Paulinho]

That "reported value" was an GM from a team who plays in the East and do you honestly not think GM's use the media to their advantage.

Let's say Boston want AMAc, ring Snow and ask what the Isles want for AMac, Snow says a 1st and Boston say we'll get back to you. Boston GM talks to TSN off the record saying AMac is only worth a 2nd & 5th. It's like a negotiation where teams are trying to down play value and gain an advantage.

Even if one GM believes AMac's true value is a 2nd & 5th, all it takes is competition and rival offers and it doesn't take a wild stretch for an offer to become a 1st round pick.

Thanks for the lesson, still not getting Subban.

 

[N Ireland Nets Fan]

I'm just hoping Snow doesn't try to outsmart himself by waiting until March 4th to make these trades. I don't think there's going to be a big feeding frenzy like Snow seems to be hoping for. First great deal offered for Vanek and MacDonald, take those deals immediately. I'm so worried either guy gets injured.

This is exactly how I don't want Snow to act because the offers will only get better until the deadline as teams jockey for position.

I'd expect Snow to be telling every team inquiring about Vanek and AMac that the Isles will be fielding offers up until the deadline at which point we will select the deal which is best for the franchise moving forward, unless a team offers exactly what Snow is looking for in the likes of Toffoli, pick etc which isn't happening. I wouldn't want to accept a deal a week prior to the deadline because of worry over an injury.

It has already been reported over a week in advance of the deadline that over half a dozen teams have talked to Snow about Vanek already while an even higher number has called about AMac.

Any offer that's given a week before the deadline will be there at the deadline with every opportunity for that offer to be bettered by another franchise or the original offer to be sweetened. Worst case you take the offer that was given and is still on the table at the deadline, that way you have given every opportunity to teams to give you their very best offer.

Let's not forget that Thomas Vanek is by far and away the best player on the market, who is an elite sniper/playmaker and someone who is producing at nearly a point a game on a team who is severely under performing. He is highly valued and a prized asset. Have patience and we will get a nice return for Vanek and AMac.

(Note, I'm realistic, a great return for Vanek imo would be Pearson, Fasching & a 1st from LA)

 

[N Ireland Nets Fan]

Thanks for the lesson, still not getting Subban.

Where did I say in my post about getting Subban?

I was simply stating that your going on what a rival GM is telling a reporter about what value he believes AMac has. I still believe we will get a 1st for AMac or a deal which is worth a 1st rounder in value.

The only way we'd be in with a good shot of getting Subban would be in a bigger deal involving AMac. But people are also overvaluing Subban as well. He's a good goalie prospect who has played 20 odd games in the AHL and is years away from the NHL, while the likes of Bernier didn't return huge value and he had a track record in the NHL to at least be used to evaluate him at the highest level.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Why are people being so down on Strome?

Your comparing Strome to Nelson saying Nelson has succeeded at every level yet Strome has clearly out performed Nelson at each stage of his development from minors/NCAA to international play and then the AHL.

I just don't get it at all. In his first season as a professional, Strome is absolutely ripping up the AHL. Any chance he has got with the Islanders has been with the 3rd line and when he has been giving a really high % of defensive zone starts which indicates to me that the Isles are trying to develop his defensive side of his game because it still needs work. Yet people rarely talk about his usage during games in the NHL which is clearly not putting him in the best position to succeed in regards points but it is developing his all around game which I bet we don't start to see the full benefit of until next season. It's part of the reason Strome is playing on the 3rd line again and not further up the roster in my opinion with Bailey centering the 2nd line, it's challenging him to improve his weak points in his game which would then let him move up to a top 6 role.

Nelson has been fantastic for the Islanders and yet if you compare Strome and Nelson's first season as pros it's not even close, Strome has completely outperformed Nelson's first season by using their Bridgeport stats as a guide line in which Nelson got his first taste of the NHL in the playoffs at seasons end. It's no coincidence that Bridgeport suddenly start to win games once Strome is playing either. Then when you factor in Nelson is 22 years old and Strome only 20 it should be clear that Strome is going to be a serious player in the NHL long term for the Isles.

Nelson has been super but his most impressive attribute has been his ability to move from left wing of the 1st line, to centering the 3rd line to left wing of the 3rd line and then playing wing on the 2nd line. No matter where he has moved he hasn't looked out of place at all which is a fantastic asset to have long term. Now he's going to be our number 1 center for the last 20 odd games, so he is showing fantastic versatility.

Long term, I'm talking Brooklyn away, I believe the Isles ideal situation is for JT to be our franchise 1st line center, Strome to be our number 2 center leading the secondary scoring unit with Nelson the 3rd line center who does it all, from powerplay to penalty kills. Nielsen would then be moved on to bring in further assets to fill holes on the roster down the road.

Don't get me wrong, I could be way off here but all statistics point towards Strome being a great NHL player for the Islanders and I just don't understand why so many Islander fans seem to be writing him off due to his showings in his first stint with the Islanders as a rookie brought in half way through a losing season while playing 3rd line heavy defensive zone minutes. He's 20 years old with a super high ceiling talent wise and someone who is looking to Tavares to learn from through off season training and I can't think of a better guy to mirror.

I'm not down on Strome, i'm just not treating him as the elite generational prospect that other fans on trying to force feed. I was just agreeing with the other guy that I just don't see an impact forward in Strome. I see just a second line fringe or third line guy. I'm also not writing him off...and not basing my opinion on his play in just the NHL. Like I said, it's just what I see and for the most parts my instincts have been pretty solid.

 

[fnfelon]

Like I said, it's just what I see and for the most parts my instincts have been pretty solid.

No one's seen anything yet; too small of a sample. I haven't heard anyone say Strome is this "generational" talent, but I believe he's going to be top six. His growing pains, if that's what your "instincts" see so far, may have much to do with how this Coaching staff has no *** clue how to work with these kids. Look how Nelson's been dicked around by Capuano. Have some patience, the kids going to be just fine.

 

[IslesNation1995]

any odds johnny pitched PK into demanding a trade to LI... hey i can dream right?

 

[bluechipbonzo]

Garf is going to do better than expected...the trade market definitely favours the Isles here, with the top forward and arguably the top AVAILABLE d-man in A-Mac...

Six teams have called on Vanek (LA,ANA,Pit, Min, Ott, Col?) and seven on Amac (Bos, Pit, Tor, ? ? ? ?) , with one concrete offer already turned down for Vanek...per Bob Mackenzie no less...

Oh yeah.

 

[Strome18]

Garf is going to do better than expected...the trade market definitely favours the Isles here, with the top forward and arguably the top AVAILABLE d-man in A-Mac...

Six teams have called on Vanek (LA,ANA,Pit, Min, Ott, Col?) and seven on Amac (Bos, Pit, Tor, ? ? ? ?) , with one concrete offer already turned down for Vanek...per Bob Mackenzie no less...

Oh yeah.

Optimistic as well.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

Garf is going to do better than expected...the trade market definitely favours the Isles here, with the top forward and arguably the top AVAILABLE d-man in A-Mac...

Six teams have called on Vanek (LA,ANA,Pit, Min, Ott, Col?) and seven on Amac (Bos, Pit, Tor, ? ? ? ?) , with one concrete offer already turned down for Vanek...per Bob Mackenzie no less...

Oh yeah.

We need Snow to turn this into a win in the worst way

 

[blitzkriegs]

Can Amac land Reimer?

 

[stranger34]

I don't have high expectations for this deadline. I am thinking a 2nd for AMac and a late 1st and a 2nd for Vanek.

 

[blinkman360]

I don't have high expectations for this deadline. I am thinking a 2nd for AMac and a late 1st and a 2nd for Vanek.

You are probably in for a treat then.

 

[stranger34]

You are probably in for a treat then.

I hope so! If it's like one of those times I prep myself for getting an 85 on a test and it comes back 95 fantastic...

 

[TeamKidd]

So long as we generally recoup the assets we spent on Vanek and get something higher than a 2nd rounder for amac i'll be satisfied. My hunch is that we will end up with more than that, but i'll be okay so long as we get back what we spent on vanek...

 

[stranger34]

So long as we generally recoup the assets we spent on Vanek and get something higher than a 2nd rounder for amac i'll be satisfied. My hunch is that we will end up with more than that, but i'll be okay so long as we get back what we spent on vanek...

I see that as unlikely.

Presumably any 1st we get back from Vanek will be from a better team than the Islanders (Higher pick) and in a worse draft (Unless Snow gets it for next year)

I also don't see them making up the difference of what Moulson will fetch for Buffalo.

To break even the Vanek haul will have to be equal to Islanders 1st next year, 2nd this year, and whatever Moulson returns. That's a very tall order.

 

[blinkman360]

I see that as unlikely.

Presumably any 1st we get back from Vanek will be from a better team than the Islanders (Higher pick) and in a worse draft (Unless Snow gets it for next year)

I also don't see them making up the difference of what Moulson will fetch for Buffalo.

To break even the Vanek haul will have to be equal to Islanders 1st next year, 2nd this year, and whatever Moulson returns. That's a very tall order.

IMO the only way to not lose the Vanek trade would be if we get a solid prospect and a 1st(regardless of it being this year or next year) - the prospect turns into an important part of the core; we defer the pick to '15 and we somehow manage to make the playoffs next year.

For example, trading Vanek to ANA for their '14 1st and Andersen. Andersen turns into our #1 of the present/future, and we go on a run next year.

It's possible, but we'll have to really make some strides next season. A new coach would probably help more than anything else.

 

[duster19]

IMO the only way to not lose the Vanek trade would be if we get a solid prospect and a 1st(regardless of it being this year or next year) - the prospect turns into an important part of the core; we defer the pick to '15 and we somehow manage to make the playoffs next year.

For example, trading Vanek to ANA for their '14 1st and Andersen. Andersen turns into our #1 of the present/future, and we go on a run next year.

It's possible, but we'll have to really make some strides next season. A new coach would probably help more than anything else.

i think their is a good chance at getting Andersen for Amac. I think their values are similar and sounds like Anh is looking for a dman.

I wonder if they moved Andersen if they would be more inclined to sign Hiller.

 

[blinkman360]

i think their is a good chance at getting Andersen for Amac. I think their values are similar and sounds like Anh is looking for a dman.

I wonder if they moved Andersen if they would be more inclined to sign Hiller.

I could see them going for Miller, who apparently wants to go to the West Coast, and hoping he can put them over the top as well as groom fellow American John Gibson to take over in a few years.

Either way, I'd expect them to be open to moving Andersen for the right player. As far as D goes, I believe they are looking for a RHD, but I could be wrong.

 

[scott99]

Can Amac land Reimer?

I think maybe you include Poulin or Nilsson to get Reimer. AMac + Poulin/Nilsson= Reimer

 

[JonnyGraz]

I don't know about you guys but I would rather get a player then a draft pick. First off we aren't the greatest draft pickers. Secondly this upcoming draft isn't good. What do you guys think?

 

[LeapOnOver]

No one's seen anything yet; too small of a sample. I haven't heard anyone say Strome is this "generational" talent, but I believe he's going to be top six. His growing pains, if that's what your "instincts" see so far, may have much to do with how this Coaching staff has no *** clue how to work with these kids. Look how Nelson's been dicked around by Capuano. Have some patience, the kids going to be just fine.

Jesus, like I said, I'm not "giving up" on the kid or crossing him off the lineup. don't tell me I haven't "seen anything", the kids 19 years old and has been playing hockey long enough that I've seen some of him. I haven't made a definitive decision, but what do you say to a scout who decides if a kids worth drafting? Do you tell him that he hasn't "seen anything" yet, lol. I'm allowed to make judgement calls on what I think a kids ceiling is just like anybody else is and like I said, I haven't been wrong that often, and the times I have usually have had to do with injuries. I'm not feeling it with Strome, that's all. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm being plenty patient...