Official Trade Speculation/Proposal Thread III

[blinkman360]

I don't know about you guys but I would rather get a player then a draft pick. First off we aren't the greatest draft pickers. Secondly this upcoming draft isn't good. What do you guys think?

The first round of this draft is fine. It's the overall depth of the draft that is lacking.

I do think that drafting has actually been this team's strong suit. Especially in the 1st round, which is what we would be hoping to get for Vanek and MacDonald.

If we can get a solid prospect for MacDonald, I'd obviously prefer that, but I hope they don't choose a mediocre prospect over a 1st round pick.. or even another C/B defense prospect, which we are overflowing with.

 

[stranger34]

IMO the only way to not lose the Vanek trade would be if we get a solid prospect and a 1st(regardless of it being this year or next year) - the prospect turns into an important part of the core; we defer the pick to '15 and we somehow manage to make the playoffs next year.

For example, trading Vanek to ANA for their '14 1st and Andersen. Andersen turns into our #1 of the present/future, and we go on a run next year.

It's possible, but we'll have to really make some strides next season. A new coach would probably help more than anything else.

Yes, I agree with this. If we can get a blue chip prospect that would have been worth the original package sent for Vanek that would be awesome.

 

[stranger34]

Jesus, like I said, I'm not "giving up" on the kid or crossing him off the lineup. don't tell me I haven't "seen anything", the kids 19 years old and has been playing hockey long enough that I've seen some of him. I haven't made a definitive decision, but what do you say to a scout who decides if a kids worth drafting? Do you tell him that he hasn't "seen anything" yet, lol. I'm allowed to make judgement calls on what I think a kids ceiling is just like anybody else is and like I said, I haven't been wrong that often, and the times I have usually have had to do with injuries. I'm not feeling it with Strome, that's all. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm being plenty patient...

I agree with your assessment of Strome. I think he will prove to be a useful top 6 player, but nothing special. which is totally fine IMO

 

[duster19]

I could see them going for Miller, who apparently wants to go to the West Coast, and hoping he can put them over the top as well as groom fellow American John Gibson to take over in a few years.

Either way, I'd expect them to be open to moving Andersen for the right player. As far as D goes, I believe they are looking for a RHD, but I could be wrong.

I think you are right about the RHD...Ive seen them linked to Girardi

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Surprised that Subban could be had for a rental like MacDonald. This is why I hate the goalie market, it is so hard to predict. Subban's value a year ago was pretty friggin high and you'd think with how he's been playing in the AHL it would stay high but now could be had for a rental? A week ago I figured it would cost us Lee and Mac, something I wouldn't do seeing as I'd rather see what we had in Lee and go after one of those finnish goalies with the Mac pick but straight up I'd do it.

I'd give up Strome and a 1st for Kane in a heartbeat. To me Strome is another weak forward who will be physically pummeled nightly and not live up to expectation in the scoring department. Obviously time will tell, but i'd do this deal right now.

I disagree with that. Strome has done nothing to lower his stock since being drafted.

Evander Kane is more or less the Jets' Tavares. They will not trade him unless it's for an NHL player of equivalence, such as Travis Hamonic who is regarded as our top shutdown defenseman or Kyle Okposo who is by for our best winger.

I can't get with that ideology, he's their second line LW and is on pace for 45 points.

No doubt you are trading for potential with him.

I want Evander Kane as well but people are putting together some crazy offers for him...

Agreed.

Sorry to bring it back up but I didn't get my turn to answer back

 

[Kevin27NYI]

The first round of this draft is fine. It's the overall depth of the draft that is lacking.

I do think that drafting has actually been this team's strong suit. Especially in the 1st round, which is what we would be hoping to get for Vanek and MacDonald.

If we can get a solid prospect for MacDonald, I'd obviously prefer that, but I hope they don't choose a mediocre prospect over a 1st round pick.. or even another C/B defense prospect, which we are overflowing with.

That's what I have read too.

I am hoping we trade MacDonald for a first this year, and Vanek for a first in 2015. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[seabass45]

Can Amac land Reimer?

Doubtful but I'm on board. I assume Toronto would rather have a solid goaltending pair for the stretch run, and Poulin is not a good replacement for Reimer.

 

[JetsMetsIsles]

That's what I have read too.

I am hoping we trade MacDonald for a first this year, and Vanek for a first in 2015. Seems reasonable to me.

With everyones opinion here on MacDonald why do they also think he can get a first rounder? I think a 2nd would be great. A first would be a dream

 

[Kevin27NYI]

With everyones opinion here on MacDonald why do they also think he can get a first rounder? I think a 2nd would be great. A first would be a dream

Let's go over top 4 rental defenseman known to be available.

Girardi, MacDonald, ??..??..??

Lots of buyers and very few sellers.

 

[fnfelon]

Jesus, like I said, I'm not "giving up" on the kid or crossing him off the lineup. don't tell me I haven't "seen anything", the kids 19 years old and has been playing hockey long enough that I've seen some of him. I haven't made a definitive decision, but what do you say to a scout who decides if a kids worth drafting? Do you tell him that he hasn't "seen anything" yet, lol. I'm allowed to make judgement calls on what I think a kids ceiling is just like anybody else is and like I said, I haven't been wrong that often, and the times I have usually have had to do with injuries. I'm not feeling it with Strome, that's all. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm being plenty patient...

Yes we will see how it turns out, that's for sure. Scouts look at how successful the player is at the levels he's played and a plethora of stats and other indicators too numerous to list here. True, past preformance is not an indicator of future success, but Strome has been successful at every level he's played, just like Nelson. When I say you haven't seen anything yet, I'm speaking about at this level. Now I didn't mean you're not entitled to your own opinion, far from it, just that the sample of games at this level is too small to really make a determination logically where the kid will wind up. I remember on these boards and on mania up to last year's playoffs fan's being fed up with Kyle Okposo and the numerous trade scenarios they listed to rid ourselves of his services. I said this before and I will say it again when you rebuild with just the kids you draft, you never know how long it's going to take for them to mature if ever.

 

[JetsMetsIsles]

Let's go over top 4 rental defenseman known to be available.

Girardi, MacDonald, ??..??..??

Lots of buyers and very few sellers.

Thats true but it would be a gross over payment for a rental defenseman. I dont think anyone bites with a first.

Also has anyone heard any trade rumors with the Isles with either AMac or Vanek. I feel like I havent read any in the last week from any sort of source. All seems quiet on the trade front.

 

[scott99]

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

 

[JetsMetsIsles]

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

Yea I dont understand why waiting too long. If you have to trade him then dont risk not trading him. Let teams get desperate and see if they will drive their offers up but you shouldnt wait to talk trades. My opinion at least

 

[SI90]

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

besides the injury risk.....

Jagr
Hemsky
Cammerlari
Moulson

My fear all along has been that the intrest will fade an the offers will go down with other teams getting wingers there wont be a need for a biding war...

 

[Tres Peleches]

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

I think that strategy works out better with Macdonald than Vanek... Vanek would likely require some sir of maneuvering while A-Mac, with his non-existent cap hit, could be traded pretty much anywhere and teams are almost always looking for top-4 blue line depth at the deadline

 

[blinkman360]

Let's go over top 4 rental defenseman known to be available.

Girardi, MacDonald, ??..??..??

Lots of buyers and very few sellers.

Precisely, and if Callahan is dealt I highly doubt Girardi will go anywhere. That basically means MacDonald IS the top-4D market.

Thats true but it would be a gross over payment for a rental defenseman. I dont think anyone bites with a first.

Also has anyone heard any trade rumors with the Isles with either AMac or Vanek. I feel like I havent read any in the last week from any sort of source. All seems quiet on the trade front.

It's not too farfetched. Apparently at least 6 or 7 teams are interested, and that number can rise. If the 'going rate' is a 2nd and 5th, as was reported by a neutral(I think) GM, the odds are pretty good that at least one or two will be open to moving their 1st if the bidding gets heated enough.

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

LOL, I guess it's gotten to this point. Blast Snow for **** that hasn't even happened yet.

 

[seabass45]

With everyones opinion here on MacDonald why do they also think he can get a first rounder? I think a 2nd would be great. A first would be a dream

Other GMs don't see him on a regular basis like we do, and they see his minutes, shot blocking totals, and PP QBing and think he's great.

 

[JetsMetsIsles]

Other GMs don't see him on a regular basis like we do, and they see his minutes, shot blocking totals, and PP QBing and think he's great.

So us fans here on a message board are more aware of Amac's hockey talent than professional scouts and NHL personnel? I highly doubt that.

 

[seabass45]

So us fans here on a message board are more aware of Amac's hockey talent than professional scouts and NHL personnel? I highly doubt that.

I mean, part of his issue is that Cappy is misusing him, he'll probably be better wherever he ends up, in sheltered minutes. But hey, whenever the Isles are on the national broadcast there's always some weird hype over A-Mac and what he brings to the team.

 

[seabass45]

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

He's getting lowballed.

 

[seabass45]

And here's Botta on A-Mac: https://twitter.com/ChrisBottaNHL/status/438740434496413696

"Isles, justly, insisting on 1st rounder for A MacDonald. Low $550K salary a plus to contenders needing D. Lots of interest."

 

[Riseonfire]

Staple says in today's Newsday that Snow will wait until close to the 3 pm deadline on March 5th to trade Vanek and MacDonald. That scares the **** out of me. That means everyone NOT named Vanek and MacDonald will get traded, and the 6 teams looking at Vanek and the 7 teams looking at MacDonald will have already traded for similar players. Man I know Snow is gonna **** this up. Well, there's many reasons why this franchise is the laughing stock of the NHL, Snow is just one of them.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...alk-heating-up-with-vanek-macdonald-1.7214079

Or it means that Snow will hold up the entire forward trade market. What GM is going to opt for plan B when plan A is still available. All that does is lower the price for your competitor. Stupid move. By waiting, Snow drives the price up bit by bit until someone cracks and offers 'too' much.

I'm oddly confident that Snow is doing the right thing, and I've never felt like that before.

 

[MikeT98213]

What GM is going to opt for plan B when plan A is still available. All that does is lower the price for your competitor. Stupid move. By waiting, Snow drives the price up bit by bit until someone cracks and offers 'too' much.

Not every team need will perceive the need to pay the high price that Snow is asking for Vanek and will look to add some offense at a lower cost. Vanek may be the top guy available but there are other scoring forwards available that can be had for a lower price.

I'm oddly confident that Snow is doing the right thing, and I've never felt like that before.

Will you think the same thing if Vanek is hurt between now and the deadline and the Isles get nothing for him?

 

[stranger34]

Or it means that Snow will hold up the entire forward trade market. What GM is going to opt for plan B when plan A is still available. All that does is lower the price for your competitor. Stupid move. By waiting, Snow drives the price up bit by bit until someone cracks and offers 'too' much.

I'm oddly confident that Snow is doing the right thing, and I've never felt like that before.

Could backfire too...

Say the one that wants a winger most would rather trade what he's comfortable moving for the #2 winger than increase to snag the #1. He goes ahead and does that. Now your top bidder is gone and you may never match his initial highest bids.

 

[stranger34]

Watch Snow get stuck with Vanek. lol that would be something.