Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[Bazeek]

i mighttttttt do a 1st, 2nd, and orourke/hunt or marat for miller 50% retained, not sure if that would be enough though.

I think the main prospect going back is going to have to be a notch higher than the Khusnutdinov/Beckman/O'Rourke/Hunt/Peart tier, and I can't see Guerin parting with Boldy, Rossi, or Wallstedt.

So that leaves Lambos and I don't really know how I feel about that one. We do have a lot of good LD prospects, though he's the best of the bunch and the only one that seems to have clear top-pairing upside. JT Miller at less than $3m for this year and next is extremely valuable, though.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Colorado - Don’t NEED Miller this season, but he could definitely help as he plays all forward positions and all situations. The true value in my opinion would be next season. I think Kadri will price himself out of Colorado so Miller would provide a replacement for next season and a stop gap until Newhook is ready to be the #2 behind MacKinnon. With full retention the Avs would be in a situation to add further depth for next season as well. I could see Miller making consecutive cups a possibility in the Mile High city. Ask would be some collection of Helleson, Barron, 1st, other picks (not all that but 3 pieces I would imagine).

The problem with this logic is that it kicks the can down the road where, instead of only re-signing MacKinnon, they'd also need to find a 2C (depending on Newhooks development) during the same summer. And after this past summer with Landeskog and Grubauer, that's not a scenario JS probably wants to invite.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I think the main prospect going back is going to have to be a notch higher than the Khusnutdinov/Beckman/O'Rourke/Hunt/Peart tier, and I can't see Guerin parting with Boldy, Rossi, or Wallstedt.

So that leaves Lambos and I don't really know how I feel about that one. We do have a lot of good LD prospects, though he's the best of the bunch and the only one that seems to have clear top-pairing upside. JT Miller at less than $3m for this year and next is extremely valuable, though.

Yes, basically that… I can understand that Rossi/boldy/wallstadt will not be included. Which leaves lambos. To me that would be a fair “compromise” prospect to want included.

I also think miller would be the perfect fit on the wild too.

 

[Lackhalak]

I think New York is by far the best team to trade Miller to.

New York:
JT Miller (50% retained)

Vancouver:
Kravtsov
Schneider
Chytil

I would add any of Pearson, Poolman, Hamonic or Schenn and retain 50% on any of them if New York was interested.

 

[Canucks LB]

I wouldn't read too much into Calgary "being in on Miller", Treliving is always "in" on everything, it's kid of his shtick. 99% of the time nothing becomes of it, I'm pretty sure he calls every team twice a day.

Listen to the clip, He said before the twitter quite, all 3 teams showing significant interest

 

[Canuck86]

Minnesota isn't a trade fit, they won't trade Boldy and Canucks do not need another small F like Rossi and his 5'9 frame. Addison is not the type of RHD Canucks need either. Calgary has nothing to offer, but if I was to trade JT in the division it would be to the LA Kings, they have lots of prospects

 

[Boondock]

I agree with your analysis on what the other teams need. However, if basically anything of high value is off the table (e.g Newhook, Clarke, Byfield), and the Canucks have to retain at 50%, why would they even make the trade? A low 1st which is pretty much close to a high second and a B prospect for Miller at 50% retention? That's worse than what Blake Coleman got.

The expectation is that the prospect or prospects coming back would be of better quality than the Coleman trade and additional draft picks.
Elite prospects are very seldom traded. The Byfield/Newhook types are too valuable to all teams with the salary cap. Eichel (with all his red flags I know) landed Krebs, I would say he is a slightly lesser prospect to Byfield and Newhook at this point. I think its important to maximize the return and get a bidding war going and if the Canucks can get a Newhook than more power to them, but extracting a better prospect and an additional pick or 2 for the extra year and retention improves the Canucks more than waiting for next year and getting a late 1st and a slightly less prospect or worse risk getting nothing either due to injury or trying to make the playoffs so keeping him and letting him walk for nothing. I don't think the Canucks are in the cap position to re-sign him long term at 30.

 

[StickShift]

Even with these new teams mentioned—the Rangers make the most sense as far as trade partners go. They have several different packages that could make sense for the Canucks. I struggle to see a package from either Calgary, Boston, or Minnesota that would make sense for both parties.

 

[57special]

I want Brackett back as part of the trade return with Minnesota.

Not surprising at all that their prospect pool looks monstrous since he joined.

Maybe we can share him?

 

[Boondock]

The problem with this logic is that it kicks the can down the road where, instead of only re-signing MacKinnon, they'd also need to find a 2C (depending on Newhooks development) during the same summer. And after this past summer with Landeskog and Grubauer, that's not a scenario JS probably wants to invite.

The goal would be that a 21/22 year old Newhook would be ready to step in and take over the #2 C position.

What do the Avs do next season at #2 C in the very likely situation they don't trade for Miller? Do Avs fans think they will go after a longer term #2 C? They have lots of cap dollars (roughly $27 million) but they have some important and potentially expensive positions to fill.

 

[Mint Berry Crunch]

I think New York is by far the best team to trade Miller to.

New York:
JT Miller (50% retained)

Vancouver:
Kravtsov
Schneider
Chytil

I would add any of Pearson, Poolman, Hamonic or Schenn and retain 50% on any of them if New York was interested.

I'm not saying the value is too far off but I'd imagine Drury would politely decline if Schneider is part of the ask.

 

[platotld]

I would trade JT and any else not named Demko, Huggy Bear or Pete da Beast for prospects. For me Cap space is worth more than picks or same vaule today in the NHL.

Now for JT Miller, a 1st and a top prospect is good enough, but if you want retention well that's cap space. It's why while I love our angry elf and don't mind OLE, that cap hit and money drop off we would have had made us losers in that trade. Honestly if you could ship poolman, pearson, dickinson or any high paid player off along with Miller I'd take a 1st and lower paid player whose effective in their role along with say a 2nd for the other player we ship off. Young fast let's take a flimmer on players are the name of the game for the next two seasons. Let us all pray it's not bennings flimmers like David "the" Pope, Sam Gagmewithaspoon or Brandon Lipservice.

 

[57special]

Nice player, and a RHD, but not really what Canucks need.
They need a defence first, big shut down RHD.
There is no spot for Addison on the PP, and that seems to be where he is most useful.

Yeah, you are right about Addison's strengths. I would also say that MN needs RHD as soon as next year, and that the preferable D prospect would be someone like ROR, Peart, or Lambos. A 1st and Lambos(plus expiring AAV like Rask) would probably get it done, but I have my doubts that Guerin would be willing to do that. Lambos looks good, and is considered to have top 2 potential by the team, and many neutral observers. That's a lot to pay for 1 1/2 years of Miller, but still realistic.

Why I don't think MN will do it is because they won't be even close to being cap compliant next year if the trade for Miller, and that they will have a ELC middle six C in Rossi that they can slot into the lineup, who WILL allow them to be cap compliant, or at least a hell of a lot closer.

 

[StreetHawk]

I don’t recall many trades of players who were not going to be ufas retrained for 50%. OEL got 12.5%, Luongo at 15%, Kessel was like 15%.

Who was traded that retained that much that wasn’t due to be a ufa?

 

[Bazeek]

Yeah, you are right about Addison's strengths. I would also say that MN needs RHD as soon as next year, and that the preferable D prospect would be someone like ROR, Peart, or Lambos. A 1st and Lambos(plus expiring AAV like Rask) would probably get it done, but I have my doubts that Guerin would be willing to do that. Lambos looks good, and is considered to have top 2 potential by the team, and many neutral observers. That's a lot to pay for 1 1/2 years of Miller, but still realistic.

Why I don't think MN will do it is because they won't be even close to being cap compliant next year if the trade for Miller, and that they will have a ELC middle six C in Rossi that they can slot into the lineup, who WILL allow them to be cap compliant, or at least a hell of a lot closer.

Rossi's definitely another wrinkle in this thing. Not that moving Hartman or Miller over to wing next year would be a big problem, but it's another reason that they wouldn't necessarily be looking to pay a big price for that extra year of term.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I think New York is by far the best team to trade Miller to.

New York:
JT Miller (50% retained)

Vancouver:
Kravtsov
Schneider
Chytil

I would add any of Pearson, Poolman, Hamonic or Schenn and retain 50% on any of them if New York was interested.

Can't see the Rangers paying that price.

 

[57special]

Rossi's definitely another wrinkle in this thing. Not that moving Hartman or Miller over to wing next year would be a big problem, but it's another reason that they wouldn't necessarily be looking to pay a big price for that extra year of term.

Yeah, Miller is definitely worth something. I just question whether MN is the team that would(or should) pay the price.

 

[Volica]

Even with these new teams mentioned—the Rangers make the most sense as far as trade partners go. They have several different packages that could make sense for the Canucks. I struggle to see a package from either Calgary, Boston, or Minnesota that would make sense for both parties.

From a Flames perspective, this is what I've been struggling with.
What mix of picks/prospects/players would make sense here. Miller, himself, makes a lot from a Calgary perspective. He'd be a perfect second line centre for this club that desperately needs one. That said, Calgary's not in a position where they're a JT Miller away from being a powerhouse unstoppable force; and should move our top prospect and a first for him either.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The goal would be that a 21/22 year old Newhook would be ready to step in and take over the #2 C position.

What do the Avs do next season at #2 C in the very likely situation they don't trade for Miller? Do Avs fans think they will go after a longer term #2 C? They have lots of cap dollars (roughly $27 million) but they have some important and potentially expensive positions to fill.

Avs fans are drooling over the idea of a Claude Giroux cup run and him resigning for a short term deal.

 

[Do you want ants]

I think New York is by far the best team to trade Miller to.

New York:
JT Miller (50% retained)

Vancouver:
Kravtsov
Schneider
Chytil

I would add any of Pearson, Poolman, Hamonic or Schenn and retain 50% on any of them if New York was interested.

I’m sure you would. That’s a package the Rangers should spend on a better player. I like Miller, but we don’t need him back at that price.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Yeah, Miller is definitely worth something. I just question whether MN is the team that would(or should) pay the price.

The way I look at it… do you think you have a chance to go deep into playoffs? If the answer is yes, than why sell yourself short on a mediocre player upgrade (only)? If you’re answer is no and you think you’re a couple seasons away then maybe don’t make the move.

it’s a tough call but the opportunities don’t come around often so why not make the most when they do?

 

[Bazeek]

The way I look at it… do you think you have a chance to go deep into playoffs? If the answer is yes, than why sell yourself short on a mediocre player upgrade (only)? If you’re answer is no and you think you’re a couple seasons away then maybe don’t make the move.

it’s a tough call but the opportunities don’t come around often so why not make the most when they do?

I think it's pretty unlikely that management's sights are really set on this season, even with a lot of things breaking their way.

 

[RandV]

The expectation is that the prospect or prospects coming back would be of better quality than the Coleman trade and additional draft picks.
Elite prospects are very seldom traded. The Byfield/Newhook types are too valuable to all teams with the salary cap. Eichel (with all his red flags I know) landed Krebs, I would say he is a slightly lesser prospect to Byfield and Newhook at this point. I think its important to maximize the return and get a bidding war going and if the Canucks can get a Newhook than more power to them, but extracting a better prospect and an additional pick or 2 for the extra year and retention improves the Canucks more than waiting for next year and getting a late 1st and a slightly less prospect or worse risk getting nothing either due to injury or trying to make the playoffs so keeping him and letting him walk for nothing. I don't think the Canucks are in the cap position to re-sign him long term at 30.

I made the point in the Canucks thread that while Tampa paid a lot for Coleman and Miller is in a similar situation but much better, the price Tampa paid is well within reason of what teams sell at the deadline. The difference is that usually a Coleman is on an expiring contract and gets a 2nd round pick. The 1:1 cost increase from Coleman to Miller is generally not what teams spend at the deadline.

That said with a good bidding war I think the Canucks have a reasonable chance of achieving it. Can't say who would do it but if there's 5+ teams competing for Miller all with the same type of quantity over quality packages, if one of them steps up with a 'Newhook' in their offer, even dropping the quantity part, then they win the sweepstakes. When managers are under pressure to win the Cup someone could bite.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Yeah, Miller is definitely worth something. I just question whether MN is the team that would(or should) pay the price.

If Miller comes at 50% and it’s like a 1st+Lambos+Rask+B prospect then you absolutely do it. No question. Miller makes us an immediate contender this year and next. Wild fans constantly bitch about paying the price for a center. If you want to take the next step, you need a Miller to win the cup. Gaudreau as 2C gets us bounced by the 2nd round. You need a guy in the playoffs who can win more than 50% of his draws, we don’t have one.

 

[Bobby9]

Calgary has nothing to offer Vancouver for prospects..Maybe Coronato