Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[Canucks LB]

Calgary has nothing to offer Vancouver for prospects..Maybe Coronato

Yeah, Flames make no sense.
Unless they trade multiple 1sts and a 2nd and do a pure futures package?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Rangers seems to be All-In

I respect that a lot lol

They want to win it all

 

[KingDeathMetal]

I think Kravtsov and a 1st is more than fair value for Miller. For people who bash Kravtsov, don't confuse his poor attitude for underwhelming play on the ice. The whole issue is that he's mad at not being in our lineup - and the reality is, he should have been. Will he be a top line player? Probably not. But he still has good upside as a potential 2nd line offensive threat. I could solidly see him becoming a 50 pt player.

If Kravtsov isn't who VAN wants, then perhaps the Rangers include a D prospect like Robertson. I can't see us including Schneider, Lundkvist, or Jones. I think one of those guys is inevitably traded, but not for a 1.5 season rental.

 

[nergish]

I think Kravtsov and a 1st is more than fair value for Miller.

The price is wrong.

NYR don't even have a captain, adding JT Miller at this stage in his career would absolutely transform your team.
1.5 years is more than enough for him to whip Kaako, Laffy, and co. into shape, and provide some Beast Mode playoff hockey.

We'll retain salary and even add a piece (Rathbone?), but we're not walking away with a late 1st and a dissatisfied young Russian in exchange for our best forward.

 

[Boondock]

Avs fans are drooling over the idea of a Claude Giroux cup run and him resigning for a short term deal.

I could see that happening. Is there any indication as to what he would be looking for in $$ and term? 34 years old, still producing at about 0.8 ppg. Sam Reinhart has very similar numbers over the past couple of seasons. Similar ppg, plays wing and C - obviously Reinhart is younger. Something like 3yrs x $6.0?

 

[Canadian Canuck]

I think Kravtsov and a 1st is more than fair value for Miller. For people who bash Kravtsov, don't confuse his poor attitude for underwhelming play on the ice. The whole issue is that he's mad at not being in our lineup - and the reality is, he should have been. Will he be a top line player? Probably not. But he still has good upside as a potential 2nd line offensive threat. I could solidly see him becoming a 50 pt player.

If Kravtsov isn't who VAN wants, then perhaps the Rangers include a D prospect like Robertson. I can't see us including Schneider, Lundkvist, or Jones. I think one of those guys is inevitably traded, but not for a 1.5 season rental.

If you won't even include Zac Jones in a package for JT Miller you're not getting anything close to help your playoff run. Yikes.

 

[Ita]

The expectation is that the prospect or prospects coming back would be of better quality than the Coleman trade and additional draft picks.
Elite prospects are very seldom traded. The Byfield/Newhook types are too valuable to all teams with the salary cap. Eichel (with all his red flags I know) landed Krebs, I would say he is a slightly lesser prospect to Byfield and Newhook at this point.

Elite players like Miller at 2.6M is also rarely available at the trade deadline. Going a few years back and looking at the trades that happened around the deadline, I don't think see anything close to getting a player like Miller at 2.6M.

Ultimately, his value is going to be determined by the market and how many teams decide to bid for him. I am just more inclined to believe that some teams are willing to go "all in" and is actually ok with parting ways with a prospect if they can improve their odds for a cup.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I think New York is by far the best team to trade Miller to.

New York:
JT Miller (50% retained)

Vancouver:
Kravtsov
Schneider
Chytil

I would add any of Pearson, Poolman, Hamonic or Schenn and retain 50% on any of them if New York was interested.

Schneider is not on the table for Miller.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think the main prospect going back is going to have to be a notch higher than the Khusnutdinov/Beckman/O'Rourke/Hunt/Peart tier, and I can't see Guerin parting with Boldy, Rossi, or Wallstedt.

So that leaves Lambos and I don't really know how I feel about that one. We do have a lot of good LD prospects, though he's the best of the bunch and the only one that seems to have clear top-pairing upside. JT Miller at less than $3m for this year and next is extremely valuable, though.

I think Lambos and 1st gets the convo started with the Canucks regarding Miller.

 

[Marioesque]

He is from Ohio, grew up in Pittsburgh, so I can’t imagine he wouldn’t be interested in signing. But given Columbus’ position in the standings, would they even be interested?

Jackets need a #1 center to play with Laine and Voracek, someone versatile. They'll have to find one anyway, and Miller would fit the bill. And they have picks and assets to go after him. I would not be surprised if CBJ were in on this.

Roslovic and 1st+?

 

[Boondock]

Elite players like Miller at 2.6M is also rarely available at the trade deadline. Going a few years back and looking at the trades that happened around the deadline, I don't think see anything close to getting a player like Miller at 2.6M.

Ultimately, his value is going to be determined by the market and how many teams decide to bid for him. I am just more inclined to believe that some teams are willing to go "all in" and is actually ok with parting ways with a prospect if they can improve their odds for a cup.

If the Canucks can land a high level prospect I will be very happy - I could also be dealing with a sort of Stockholm syndrome where I assume my management group will screw this up in an epic way. New management, lets hope they don't "run out of time" as they "live in today".

 

[Canucks LB]

The Rangers Stand out, About the team that has been "Next Level" in terms of interest

 

[Boondock]

Jackets need a #1 center to play with Laine and Voracek, someone versatile. They'll have to find one anyway, and Miller would fit the bill. And they have picks and assets to go after him. I would not be surprised if CBJ were in on this.

Roslovic and 1st+?

There would need to be another piece. Roslovic is 25, has shown flashes but no consistency, he could potentially be on his 3rd team in 2 seasons. After he had issues with Winnipeg, now is could be considered an unnecessary part in CBJ, doesn't really scream high value piece.

 

[Ita]

If the Canucks can land a high level prospect I will be very happy - I could also be dealing with a sort of Stockholm syndrome where I assume my management group will screw this up in an epic way. New management, lets hope they don't "run out of time" as they "live in today".

Same. I would be scared too if Trading Jim is in charge, but I have more faith in JR on getting a fair deal so everyone is happy.

I am getting PTSD simply thinking of how Benning wasted all the expiring UFAs when some of them could have been traded for value. Even late-round picks are better than nothing. Truly sad how the team was managed for the last 8 years.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I can almost guarantee the Canucks will not trade Miller to the Flames unless if its for a massive over-payment that what the other bidding teams are offering. You dont trade a guy like Miller to a division rival and make it even harder for themselves to make the playoffs in the future.

I also dont think the Flames have a strong prospect pool to choose from.
I still think the front-runners for JT are Minny, Pitt, NYR, LA. Then I think contenders will try and swoop in last minute either to try and get Miller or to at least try and drive up the price.

Something along the lines of :

1st
Lambos
Khusdotinov

I feel that if the Canucks retain 50% the 2.6 salary on Miller next year is the perfect fit for them as they are pinching for cap space.

Khusnutdinov centred Podkolzin with SKA so im sure there is familiarity there from the organization as they tracked Podkolzin's development throughout the recent years.

I doesnt really solve the Canuck's issue on the right side of the D but that can be addressed in other ways or with different assets.

 

[mriswith]

If the Canucks can land a high level prospect I will be very happy - I could also be dealing with a sort of Stockholm syndrome where I assume my management group will screw this up in an epic way. New management, lets hope they don't "run out of time" as they "live in today".

Yeah I don't think I have mentally adapted yet from the expectations previous management set of every transaction being underwhelming, disappointing and wrong-headed.

This might be the outlier trade where hf's home team significantly under-estimated the return of their star player.

 

[Marioesque]

There would need to be another piece. Roslovic is 25, has shown flashes but no consistency, he could potentially be on his 3rd team in 2 seasons. After he had issues with Winnipeg, now is could be considered an unnecessary part in CBJ, doesn't really scream high value piece.

No he doesn't have high value. They have better assets but not sure what the ask would be.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I think Kravtsov and a 1st is more than fair value for Miller. For people who bash Kravtsov, don't confuse his poor attitude for underwhelming play on the ice. The whole issue is that he's mad at not being in our lineup - and the reality is, he should have been. Will he be a top line player? Probably not. But he still has good upside as a potential 2nd line offensive threat. I could solidly see him becoming a 50 pt player.

If Kravtsov isn't who VAN wants, then perhaps the Rangers include a D prospect like Robertson. I can't see us including Schneider, Lundkvist, or Jones. I think one of those guys is inevitably traded, but not for a 1.5 season rental.

Not that Kravtsov is a bad player but I doubt the Canucks use their biggest trading asset in the last 20 years on a disgruntled winger and a late 1st.

Canucks are also decent on the wing, whats to say Kravs doesnt make the team either or pouts that he isnt getting top offensive time and just bolts back to Russia again.

Canucks winger:

Pettersson (possibly)
Boeser
Podkolzin
Hoglander
Garland

 

[UrbanImpact]

Schneider is not on the table for Miller.

Maybe but maybe not. I wouldnt be so quick to buy a Schneider Rangers jersey yet though.

 

[Boondock]

No he doesn't have high value. They have better assets but not sure what the ask would be.

I would think a fairly high end prospect. Not Sillinger, and preferably a RHD but I know that is also a need for the Blue Jackets. I would need to dig a little deeper as to who I think would fit, but a pretty good prospect would be my guess.

 

[mouz135]

Come on, Drury. You know you want to blow your load on acquiring Miller. He’ll put your team over the top!

 

[Calad]

Seravelli/Vancouver just blowing smoke about JTM to NYR. He was traded out of NY for many reasons , and Drury and co were apart of that. They haven't forgotten.

 

[Guyute]

I'm sorry folks, but the Rangers ain't trading a cost-controlled Schneider for 1.5 years of JT Miller - Not going to happen given their salary cap issues over the next several years. Schneider seems to be the guy they've settled on for the third pair and eventually could be Trouba's successor for the spot behind Fox. Lundkvist, Othmann, Berard, etc. and a pick would be on the table.

 

[dman34]

Schneider & Nils for JTM. Keep your picks.
Canucks retain 2MM
That's a very fair deal. Both of these dmen project as top 4 guys (hopefully).
Neither are blue chip prospects.

 

[JohnHodgson]

This thread really shows who actually knows hockey v.s. guys who are obsessed about prospects/futures. I guess this board is called Hockey Futures so maybe that justifies people's obsessions with prospects and picks?

You just have to look at past deadline deals that were made and compare.

2020 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Goodrow for 1st
Coleman for 1st + Foote
Brady Skej for 1st
JGP for 1st + 2nd + 3rd (with conditions)

2021 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Mantha for Vrana + 1st + 2nd
Foligno for 1st + 4th
Palmieri/Zajac for 1st + 4th

JT Miller is by far better than ANY of these players on the list + he has another year left at a very cheap cap hit. If your package doesn't beat any of these offers, don't even bother commenting.

JT Miller should return a 3 1st round package... if your offer doesn't come close... don't bother. Kratsov and a late first? Please stop.