Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

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Peen

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I'm curious to know if Minnesota's rumored interest is recent or just a rehash of what was talked about earlier in the year. Guerin trying to do something around Miller and Fiala didn't surprise me; Guerin paying the Canucks' price in futures would surprise me a lot. Never know, though.
Well, one thing to note is the shift in circumstance since the Fiala rumor.

Miller was being a pouty clown on & off the ice and it clearly frustrated ownership and management enough that they had the local media shills berate Miller.

After a while, Miller decided to go back to acting like an adult. His frustration was 110% warranted, but the way he showed it wasn’t and it really tanked his value. Also, teams knew they were dealing with a stupid GM.

Miller is having the best season of his career this year and put his frustrations in the past. Oh, and we have a new front office with actual brains.

I really think we are going to destroy some team for assets. I don’t expect an average return here by any means.
 

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I'm curious to know if Minnesota's rumored interest is recent or just a rehash of what was talked about earlier in the year. Guerin trying to do something around Miller and Fiala didn't surprise me; Guerin paying the Canucks' price in futures would surprise me a lot. Never know, though.

Not that I have any insider info, but I just don't think JR would be interested in Fiala as the centerpiece for Miller.

Minnesota 1st + Calen Addison

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Well, one thing to note is the shift in circumstance since the Fiala rumor.

Miller was being a pouty clown on & off the ice and it clearly frustrated ownership and management enough that they had the local media shills berate Miller.

After a while, Miller decided to go back to acting like an adult. His frustration was 110% warranted, but the way he showed it wasn’t and it really tanked his value. Also, teams knew they were dealing with a stupid GM.

Miller is having the best season of his career this year and put his frustrations in the past. Oh, and we have a new front office with actual brains.

I really think we are going to destroy some team for assets. I don’t expect an average return here by any means.
I agree that they could get a whole lot for him, which is why I question how interested Minnesota would be. At this point Hartman's done just fine between Kaprizov and Zuccarello, so we really just need an upgrade on Gaudreau between Fiala and Boldy. Paying an arm and a leg for someone like Miller or Hertl seems like overkill, at least for a team that's staring down serious cap problems for the next few seasons.

Not that I have any insider info, but I just don't think JR would be interested in Fiala as the centerpiece for Miller.
Yeah, I agree and I don't think the Wild would necessarily be looking to do that either. I more meant that if it's just a rehash of the interest from a few months ago it might have dried up since then. If it's something more recent, that'd be interesting.
 
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Not that I have any insider info, but I just don't think JR would be interested in Fiala as the centerpiece for Miller.

The only reason I could have seen that is that Benning had this obsession with acquiring players that had looked good against us previously. It wasn't hard to believe that Fiala impressed him in the bubble.

Rutherford (or insert GM name here) would likely not have that same train of thought.
 

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Miller has been great since he came to the Canucks. Any contending teams looking to push into favorite territory should consider making a move.

Great player a bit of a throwback style of play.
 
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A couple months ago I would have been opposed to trading Miller because of all the positive impacts he has on the game. But with obvious issues remaining from the Benning decade of incompetence the Canucks are in a tough spot cap wise, and don’t have young players coming in on entry level deals to help supplement the depth on the team, and having traded our last 2 first round picks we don’t have any help coming in the next 2-3 years (some potential bottom of the line up players maybe but nothing for the top 6 Fs or top 4 D). So trading Miller now could maximize return and help with an adjustment to our competitive time line. Having looked over the league, these are the teams that make the most sense for Miller.
Boston - need a #2 C that could be a #1 and let Bergeron age with grace. At full pop, Bruins have cap space but retention is always helpful. Problem is I don’t see the pieces the Canucks should want in a Miller trade.
Colorado - Don’t NEED Miller this season, but he could definitely help as he plays all forward positions and all situations. The true value in my opinion would be next season. I think Kadri will price himself out of Colorado so Miller would provide a replacement for next season and a stop gap until Newhook is ready to be the #2 behind MacKinnon. With full retention the Avs would be in a situation to add further depth for next season as well. I could see Miller making consecutive cups a possibility in the Mile High city. Ask would be some collection of Helleson, Barron, 1st, other picks (not all that but 3 pieces I would imagine).
Carolina - You can never have too much depth, and with Trocheck an upcoming UFA the Canes have a need for next year. Very similar logic to Colorado, 2 cup runs and a $2.7 cap hit for a top 2 C is pretty amazing. Would need to be a package of picks and higher end prospects like Drury, Rees, Suzuki, Heimosalmi although none of those really jump off the page to me.
LA - they have been rumoured to be after another top 6 forward. Miller provides positional flexibility and the Kings have the prospects to make a deal for Miller. Canucks would be interested in a few of the kings forward prospects preferably C and a couple D prospects - assuming Clarke and Byfield are obviously off the table.
Minny - very similar to both Carolina and Colorado where 50% retention makes this deal enticing for next season. The Wild will be in cap crunch mode next season, but to have the opportunity to have a top 2 C with a cap hit of $2.625 might extend the Wild window another year, while their elc players develop. This would still require player movement for the Wild, but they won’t find a more skilled C available for under $3 million. Assuming Rossi and Boldy are off the table it that next tier of prospect would need to be included (Lambos, Addison, etc.)

I could also see teams like NJ, CBJ and Pittsburg having interest and the media report that NYR are “all over Miller” but it doesn’t make as much sense to me as the teams listed above.
 
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You think JT Miller with few years on his contract is worth the former #1 pick overall?
This is not Mark Messier in his prime we are talking about. This is JT Miller who is a very good borderline All Star player who teams seem to want to get rid of.
I don't see how this helps the cap in anyway if that was the problem NYR would trade for Hertl who's contract is up at the end of the year.
JT will get you a nice haul but it's not going to be top grade 1A prospects. No GM wants on his resume that he traded a superstar away
Laf does indeed have 1st overall pedigree, but how long does that last? He's not exactly showing well. Nolan Patrick's value went down tremendously only a few years after he was drafted @ #2. Laf is defintely much better than him, I'm just saying.

Also teams don't "want" to get rid of this JT Miller. The player JT Miller has become in Vancouver is twice as good as the Tampa version...he's entered his prime.
 

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I feel like the Wild are the dark horse here. They could use a scoring center with grit that would fit into their play style quite well. Plus they have some decent pieces to offer.
 
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I wouldn't read too much into Calgary "being in on Miller", Treliving is always "in" on everything, it's kid of his shtick. 99% of the time nothing becomes of it, I'm pretty sure he calls every team twice a day.
 

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I would argue you yourself have done the same in multiple threads. Some of your takes on Miller and Chychrun in particular.

I know you’ve either got me confused with someone else, or you’re full of shit because I haven’t said much about Chychrun on here.

I fully explained why Miller wouldn’t be a fit for the Rangers and that didn’t even take into account how bad he was in the locker room here or the fact that he showed up to practices hung over, but please tell me more about how JT Miller would bump guys off a top-10 power play.
 
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Imagine how disappointing it would be for HFboards if Miller was traded straight up for Klingberg - thus killing 2 of the 3 biggest names currently available before the deadline.
 
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time for some bidding wars between the teams. maybe darkhorse teams will emerge for Jt's services.. you never know.
 

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If the ask is Schneider + I hope Rangers move on and aim for Chychrun for that price.

Not that I blame Nucks for asking that

The Rangers FO is extremely high on Schneider. Drury was one of the guys that wanted them to move up to get him.

While it’s technically possible, I highly doubt they move him.
 
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I know you’ve either got me confused with someone else, or you’re full of shit because I haven’t said much about Chychrun on here.

I fully explained why Miller wouldn’t be a fit for the Rangers and that didn’t even take into account how bad he was in the locker room here or the fact that he showed up to practices hung over, but please tell me more about how JT Miller would bump guys off a top-10 power play.
Lmao when did you make that up? Such bullshit rumours that never happened. Quick Google search will tell you that. Even IF it did happen (which it didn’t) that was years ago and he’s a PPG all star now.

PS: He would bump People off your PP but that is not even why you should acquire him he’s not a PP specialist, he’s fantastic 5v5.
 

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A couple months ago I would have been opposed to trading Miller because of all the positive impacts he has on the game. But with obvious issues remaining from the Benning decade of incompetence the Canucks are in a tough spot cap wise, and don’t have young players coming in on entry level deals to help supplement the depth on the team, and having traded our last 2 first round picks we don’t have any help coming in the next 2-3 years (some potential bottom of the line up players maybe but nothing for the top 6 Fs or top 4 D). So trading Miller now could maximize return and help with an adjustment to our competitive time line. Having looked over the league, these are the teams that make the most sense for Miller.
Boston - need a #2 C that could be a #1 and let Bergeron age with grace. At full pop, Bruins have cap space but retention is always helpful. Problem is I don’t see the pieces the Canucks should want in a Miller trade.
Colorado - Don’t NEED Miller this season, but he could definitely help as he plays all forward positions and all situations. The true value in my opinion would be next season. I think Kadri will price himself out of Colorado so Miller would provide a replacement for next season and a stop gap until Newhook is ready to be the #2 behind MacKinnon. With full retention the Avs would be in a situation to add further depth for next season as well. I could see Miller making consecutive cups a possibility in the Mile High city. Ask would be some collection of Helleson, Barron, 1st, other picks (not all that but 3 pieces I would imagine).
Carolina - You can never have too much depth, and with Trocheck an upcoming UFA the Canes have a need for next year. Very similar logic to Colorado, 2 cup runs and a $2.7 cap hit for a top 2 C is pretty amazing. Would need to be a package of picks and higher end prospects like Drury, Rees, Suzuki, Heimosalmi although none of those really jump off the page to me.
LA - they have been rumoured to be after another top 6 forward. Miller provides positional flexibility and the Kings have the prospects to make a deal for Miller. Canucks would be interested in a few of the kings forward prospects preferably C and a couple D prospects - assuming Clarke and Byfield are obviously off the table.
Minny - very similar to both Carolina and Colorado where 50% retention makes this deal enticing for next season. The Wild will be in cap crunch mode next season, but to have the opportunity to have a top 2 C with a cap hit of $2.625 might extend the Wild window another year, while their elc players develop. This would still require player movement for the Wild, but they won’t find a more skilled C available for under $3 million. Assuming Rossi and Boldy are off the table it that next tier of prospect would need to be included (Lambos, Addison, etc.)

I could also see teams like NJ, CBJ and Pittsburg having interest and the media report that NYR are “all over Miller” but it doesn’t make as much sense to me as the teams listed above.

I agree with your analysis on what the other teams need. However, if basically anything of high value is off the table (e.g Newhook, Clarke, Byfield), and the Canucks have to retain at 50%, why would they even make the trade? A low 1st which is pretty much close to a high second and a B prospect for Miller at 50% retention? That's worse than what Blake Coleman got.
 
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