Speculation: Official JT Miller Trade Thread II - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Robertson, Liligren and a 1st would be the starting price for the Leafs

HARD pass from the Canucks.

 

[jackjohnson]

HARD pass from the Canucks.

well I mean Leafs dont have anything so I would go with NYR lol

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

well I mean Leafs dont have anything so I would go with NYR lol

Yeah, they’re not devoid of assets with value, but they don’t have a main piece that I’d trade Miller for.

 

[Canuck86]

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-canucks-trade-could-produce-second-half-blockbuster/

Don't know much about Shane Seney, but he suggests the Leafs are now in on him. Would make sense if they are.

TO has NOTHING the Canucks could use if they are trading JT. If the Leafs want some depth players maybe but not for our biggest trade asset.

 

[innitfam]

Robertson, Liligren and a 1st would be the starting price for the Leafs

Not enough. Any other team in the running can easily outbid that.

 

[Lawzy]

They really aren’t.

OEL is playing like a ~$5m defender and Myers maybe a ~$4m defender, at the best he’s ever been for the Canucks.

But he still reverts to the $2m he’s been for the majority of his contract far too often.

They’re contracts are huge problems. If you can get rid of either without taking major cap back you jump with both feet at the opportunity.

Look, Myers has been largely bad since becoming a Canuck, no argument there. But neither the eyes nor stats back up this claim since Bruce took over. I'm not expecting Myers to continue at his current level but you're crazy if you think the play he's sustaining has only been worth $4M.

OEL has been fairly solid defensively since coming over but no team can afford to pay a defensemen $8.25M to be solid defensively and a black hole offensively.

 

[M2Beezy]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Look, Myers has been largely bad since becoming a Canuck, no argument there. But neither the eyes nor stats back up this claim since Bruce took over. I'm not expecting Myers to continue at his current level but you're crazy if you think the play he's sustaining has only been worth $4M.

OEL has been fairly solid defensively since coming over but no team can afford to pay a defensemen $8.25M to be solid defensively and a black hole offensively.

They retained 1m, so closer to 7 for us. He does need to be better offensively, but he has at least been a 6 million dollar man. If he can get back to a 40pt guy, then he will definitely be worth the pay check. Even a 30pt guy would make him worth it.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

Vancouver isn't getting that. Swap Schnieder with Lundqvist and take out the 3rd.

 

[VancouverJagger]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

I'm a Vancouver fan and I am consistently seeing terrible proposals like this for NYR - some of us need to get a weee bit more realistic here. We are simply not going to get Schneider AND Laf for a Miller based trade.

I would take one of them in a heartbeat. I think a package centred around Miller for Schneider with extra pieces thrown in is pretty solid for both parties - NYR's fans wouldn't do this but Drury mighhhhhht..........

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

We aren't getting that much, it won't happen.

 

[Taluss]

Any offer with Laf has to stop. Ill be amazed if Drury is dumb enough to trade him.

I dont mind the Schneider offers in the way of at least its somewhat realistic. Unlikely but realistic

 

[Groo]

One can only hope that that is a political situation of stringing the guy along b'c he's asking for a contract. It is already clear that he's giving us a discount at around 6, but wants multiple years and full nmc. Meanwhile, actual reality based on numbers say we can't afford him at any #, b'c the minute we committed to Fox and Zib rather than sell Zib as a rental for a massive haul, that is what has driven this result.
IF he is self rental that is a waste of assets.
IF he is actually signed, that is possibly the stupidest thing Drury can do, b'c it will set in motion being unable to keep LaF/KK, etc.
Drury, capitulate to the fact I am right on this. Deal Strome, give his mins to Chytil + Barron, and then eat some humble pie and play Krav meaningful mins in top 6 upon return.
Anyone who can get this to Dolan and Sather, pls do.


The view your statement emphasizes is win now more intensively in a shorter window.
Some clubs like NYR can extend that window for multiple seasons if they reach, but don't overreach, as some suggest.



Respectfully IMO your assessments are wrong.
There is reason to believe the only gaping hole in LaF's game, his skating, is being overcome and will be fully fixed next season. At that pt he should start approaching loft exectations. Ergo, not on the table except for massive overpay. Don't want the massive overpay? Fine don't go there.
Also short term is relatively team controlled, adds to value.

Nils L not untouchable, but while behind Schneider and pf course Fox, he is in NY plans short term. Also possibly best shot of all Ranger D. Jones, not NL, is the possibly reachable higher prospect.



This analysis is accurate on its face.

Starts with having to win 1 first

 

[bernmeister]

Starts with having to win 1 first

Disagree. You constantly build the best possible team for the longest possible window, and splurge only moderately where cost and total factors make sense,
Better chances for multiple cups due to bigger window >>> lesser window

 

[Groo]

Disagree. You constantly build the best possible team for the longest possible window, and splurge only moderately where cost and total factors make sense,
Better chances for multiple cups due to bigger window >>> lesser window

In order to win many you first need to win one.
Good luck with the whole pipeline/dynasty thing

 

[bernmeister]

In order to win many you first need to win one.
Good luck with the whole pipeline/dynasty thing

In order to win ANY you need to have the best possible basis to do that. You constantly try to build a fundamentally sound team but must reinvigorate so it is ongoing with an extended window.
IMO

 

[wetcoast]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

As a Canuck fan I would do that in a New York minute, which means that the Rangers wouldn't.

 

[deckercky]

Any offer with Laf has to stop. Ill be amazed if Drury is dumb enough to trade him.

I dont mind the Schneider offers in the way of at least its somewhat realistic. Unlikely but realistic

If the Rangers did a trade something like Miller for laf 1 for 1, its risky, but i think the Rangers very likely win the trade (cap hit under their current contracts isn't even that different when you factor in bonuses that would be hit if laf played anywhere close to Miller's level), and a trade like that lets the Rangers keep a lot of other assets that would otherwise be necessary to acquire Miller which may be more helpful long-term than Lafreniere.

 

[Overrateprospects]

NYR being a contender or not is not the Canucks concern. Canucks made JT available only if the price is right and JR said it will cost a high premium. Do they care where NYR is in their window of contention? nope. Do tgey care if Miller puts them over the top or not? nope. Thats for the NYR management to figure out but that doesnt affect what Miller value is. If NYR management think the asking price is high, they can drop out because no one is putting a gun in their head and forcing them to trade their asset. Canucks also have the right to ask for a high premium for their best player so all these people whining about the asking price need to look at what the Canucks are giving up. They trade Miller, it basically means they will not be a playoff team this year and probably wont be one next year.

If the Rangers aren’t contending why would they trade for JT Miller? It’s great Canucks and their fans want Braden Schneider but if they want him they need to pay the premium for the Rangers best young RHD cost control. It’s not the Rangers problem that Canucks and their fanbase has this weird obsession of trading JT Miller and involving Rangers in most of the proposals. Rangers have Mika and Strome down the middle and doubt they are paying a premium for him to play wing. It would be like Rangers fans constantly saying they want Petey despite knowing it will never happen.

 

[Kupo]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

Take out Schneider, Chytil had a 1st and NY still declines. Even with JTM @100,000,000 retention. You’re not getting Lafreniere for 1.5 years of Miller.

 

[Paddys Pub]

To New York: Miller (50% retained), Motte, 2023 4th round pick

To Vancity: Schnieder, Lafreniere, Chytil, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

Come on dude.
That’s ridiculous and you know it

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

If the Rangers aren’t contending why would they trade for JT Miller? It’s great Canucks and their fans want Braden Schneider but if they want him they need to pay the premium for the Rangers best young RHD cost control. It’s not the Rangers problem that Canucks and their fanbase has this weird obsession of trading JT Miller and involving Rangers in most of the proposals. Rangers have Mika and Strome down the middle and doubt they are paying a premium for him to play wing. It would be like Rangers fans constantly saying they want Petey despite knowing it will never happen.

Why aren't they contending? They have everything a team needs to be considered a contender.

 

[smoneil]

Why aren't they contending? They have everything a team needs to be considered a contender.

Except scoring depth and playoff experience. Most teams don't go from "missing the playoffs for 5 years" to "contender." They have to get their still extremely young team a taste of playoff hockey before they can start thinking about making a real run at Lord Stanley. I don't see the Rangers window opening for at least another year or two.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Except scoring depth and playoff experience. Most teams don't go from "missing the playoffs for 5 years" to "contender." They have to get their still extremely young team a taste of playoff hockey before they can start thinking about making a real run at Lord Stanley. I don't see the Rangers window opening for at least another year or two.

Miller gives them the depth, and their top players have plenty of experience. Miller would add a fair bit more. They are every bit a contender and have a fair chance at ECF.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Didn’t I read that JT burned some bridges in NY?