Speculation: Official JT Miller Trade Thread II - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[EP to Kuzmenko]

He’s got one year left on his contract, not five.

He’ll return more than the average pending UFA, but 1.5 years of Miller isn’t going to land Lafreniere, Lundqvist, and a 1st.

The 1st may need to be a 2nd. But Laffy and Lund as a focal point is something that can definitely happen. Could Laffy be better in 3 or 4 years from now than Miller is today? Yes. Is their best window these next 3 years while panarin, Kreider, Zib, Fox, Trouba are in their primes? Yes.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

It is too bad that Vancouver is in the position to need to trade him, apparently. The team seems to be in a much better place all around and the fans have been through a tough stretch with Dim Jim.
Is there no way around trading him? I guess not and I guess the prospect of the future is more important.

 

[jackjohnson]

I don’t the chances for him re-signing now are too great.
He’s been in trade rumours constantly and he knows it and Vancouver hasn’t come out and say not true.

So why would he stay?

Unless you have a direct quote from Miller saying it, its all just assumptions. How do you know he wants out? Maybe he loves Vancouver and would take a cut to stay. People just make up these assumptions in their mind and then spread it like its the truth. Unless you can read a players mind, I dont believe all these rumours of him wanting out without any concrete proof.

 

[jackjohnson]

Agreed just like offering JT Miller for Schneider plus Kravstov, and 2 firsts doesn’t make sense for Rangers with them being a borderline playoff team. They will make the playoffs but no one will bet they get beyond the first. Doesn’t help adding a guy who did well in one playoff run vs 5 others. Great player but not sure why Canucks fans think he is the piece to put them over the top

NYR being a contender or not is not the Canucks concern. Canucks made JT available only if the price is right and JR said it will cost a high premium. Do they care where NYR is in their window of contention? nope. Do tgey care if Miller puts them over the top or not? nope. Thats for the NYR management to figure out but that doesnt affect what Miller value is. If NYR management think the asking price is high, they can drop out because no one is putting a gun in their head and forcing them to trade their asset. Canucks also have the right to ask for a high premium for their best player so all these people whining about the asking price need to look at what the Canucks are giving up. They trade Miller, it basically means they will not be a playoff team this year and probably wont be one next year.

 

[jackjohnson]

It is too bad that Vancouver is in the position to need to trade him, apparently. The team seems to be in a much better place all around and the fans have been through a tough stretch with Dim Jim.
Is there no way around trading him? I guess not and I guess the prospect of the future is more important.

I will be happy if they get a haul for Miller but I will also be happy if they dont trade him with the intention of signing him long term. But what I wont be happy with is if they rush, trading him for bunch of crap pieces that dont solve Canucks problems in present or future.

 

[RebuildinVan]

It is too bad that Vancouver is in the position to need to trade him, apparently. The team seems to be in a much better place all around and the fans have been through a tough stretch with Dim Jim.
Is there no way around trading him? I guess not and I guess the prospect of the future is more important.

We fans love him here but Benning has left this organization a mess. A capped out team thats not playoff competitive, bare prospect pool and still missing picks. Miller will be UFA next and want a payday with term. A playoff team now can have him at a great cap hit for two playoff runs....not the usual one for a rental. The return should be big

If somehow Rutherford can offload OEL /Meyers then yes...sign him

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

It is too bad that Vancouver is in the position to need to trade him, apparently. The team seems to be in a much better place all around and the fans have been through a tough stretch with Dim Jim.
Is there no way around trading him? I guess not and I guess the prospect of the future is more important.

It's more to the point where the fans see the team in a spot to retool and regroup in 1-2 seasons from now. Miller likely prices himself out of a new contract with us with the flat cap. If we could keep him and Bo, that would be preferable.

Most fans also still see Petey as our future 1c, with Bo behind him as our 2c. If we can't keep him past next season, his beat value to our team now, and in the future is being traded.

Alternately, we could try and move Pearson, Boeser, Motte(unless he takes a team friendly deal) and revamp our 3rd line. Lammikko and Dickinson will be fine on our 4th line, and getting a RW to play with them is easy.

What teams have a solid RHD prospect and could use Boeser?

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

We fans love him here but Benning has left this organization a mess. A capped out team thats not playoff competitive, bare prospect pool and still missing picks. Miller will be UFA next and want a payday with term. A playoff team now can have him at a great cap hit for two playoff runs....not the usual one for a rental. The return should be big

If somehow Rutherford can offload OEL /Meyers then yes...sign him

OEL and Myers aren't the problem. They are actually playing well to their contracts right now. Sure, more points from both would be nice.
We have been one of the stingiest teams at 5v5 this year. Our Special Teams is killing us. PK especially is a joke, though better since BB took over.

 

[BCNate]

It is too bad that Vancouver is in the position to need to trade him, apparently. The team seems to be in a much better place all around and the fans have been through a tough stretch with Dim Jim.
Is there no way around trading him? I guess not and I guess the prospect of the future is more important.

They don’t have to trade him at all. They can easily keep him until the summer and try to re sign him.
The Canucks, like nearly all teams, are going to have to make cap decisions. It’s not like trading our best forward is the only option.
He has never said anything negative toward the city or organization. He has expressed frustration with losing. Nor has the team said they are trying to trade him.
If his demands are 9x8, then sure deal him this summer, but if they are manageable, the Canucks would be crazy not to sign him long term.

 

[bernmeister]

Wait a minute I think I'm seeing something here.....when I say I believe Barron and a 1st is an acceptable base depending on the third piece, I am referring to Justin Barron not Morgan.

Understandable, but my bad on the misread. I stand corrected, thanks for clarifying.

 

[bernmeister]

They are one of the worst 5v5 teams in the NHL on par with Arizona and Buffalo. That's why they aren't a real contender.

We are a real competitor who is an outside contender, but we are even with a few teams and a handful of others I give the edge to at this pt. We have legit and real strengths but also underlying issues that have to be addressed.

 

[bernmeister]

You are going to be so mad when they re-sigbmn Strome. Already in contact negotiations.

One can only hope that that is a political situation of stringing the guy along b'c he's asking for a contract. It is already clear that he's giving us a discount at around 6, but wants multiple years and full nmc. Meanwhile, actual reality based on numbers say we can't afford him at any #, b'c the minute we committed to Fox and Zib rather than sell Zib as a rental for a massive haul, that is what has driven this result.
IF he is self rental that is a waste of assets.
IF he is actually signed, that is possibly the stupidest thing Drury can do, b'c it will set in motion being unable to keep LaF/KK, etc.
Drury, capitulate to the fact I am right on this. Deal Strome, give his mins to Chytil + Barron, and then eat some humble pie and play Krav meaningful mins in top 6 upon return.
Anyone who can get this to Dolan and Sather, pls do.

It's amusing to read that they don't have to win now. No team does but I'd bet they're working/playing hard to do so. No shortage of fans on here who seem to thin it much more important to build a all-starU-23 team than a true cup contender.

The view your statement emphasizes is win now more intensively in a shorter window.
Some clubs like NYR can extend that window for multiple seasons if they reach, but don't overreach, as some suggest.

I think the deal would be fair for both sides if it looked like this.

Laffy - kid is not going to meet potential by playing 3LW for the next 4 years. He would end up being 1LW or 2LW in Vancouver and PP1. His stock has dropped and most of his value is being a recent 1oa, his on ice play has little value.

Lundqvist- not the RHD Van wants, but still has solid top 4 potential. Fans idea of a guy whose best stat is hitting doesn't win games. OEL is solid defensively and physical when needed. He needs an Offensive partner and Lundqvist can be that. Myers has be sold as well and pretty good with Hughes.

2022 1st round pick- pick will be late, and a late 1st doesn't have the value many think it does. Trade downs are usually a 2nd and 3rd, depending on how late it is.
Rangers and Canucks fans won't be overly happy, but the trade works well for both sides.

Respectfully IMO your assessments are wrong.
There is reason to believe the only gaping hole in LaF's game, his skating, is being overcome and will be fully fixed next season. At that pt he should start approaching loft exectations. Ergo, not on the table except for massive overpay. Don't want the massive overpay? Fine don't go there.
Also short term is relatively team controlled, adds to value.

Nils L not untouchable, but while behind Schneider and pf course Fox, he is in NY plans short term. Also possibly best shot of all Ranger D. Jones, not NL, is the possibly reachable higher prospect.

New York not making a major add would not be a surprise. I don’t see this as a case of a fanbase generally saying no for the sake of it.

Carolina didn’t trade a 1st or equivalent prospect to add to the roster until the 2nd deadline as a playoff team (Skjei). Ditto Tampa (Coburn), Pittsburgh (Hossa), Boston after its mid 10s reset (Nash) and St. Louis (Bouwmeester). Toronto waited until mid-season year 3 (Muzzin).

Florida was slightly more aggressive, trading for Reinhart after its 1st playoff appearance. Colorado, though, is on the opposite end of the spectrum, having waited until after the 4th season to trade for Kuemper. Ditto Washington and Brouwer.

Vegas is the stand out team that was aggressive right away (Tatar) and has not stopped (Pacioretty, Stone, Eichel).

This analysis is accurate on its face.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

It is too bad that Vancouver is in the position to need to trade him, apparently. The team seems to be in a much better place all around and the fans have been through a tough stretch with Dim Jim.
Is there no way around trading him? I guess not and I guess the prospect of the future is more important.

OEL's contract prevents us from resigning him for anything close to market value. He's in line for a $9 million per contract.

 

[AHLdepth]

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[Sergei Shirokov]

Yah it is, think about it, if the Canucks drafted a player 1st OA two years ago and were a team like the Rangers no chance you'd be saying we should give up said player for a player like Miller.

You know what, that's a good argument. Maybe I'm wishfully putting to much stock into his struggles too soon.

Regardless I still stand by my point that we need to get something concrete out of this, if not two things, not just lottery tickets.

 

[RebuildinVan]

OEL and Myers aren't the problem. They are actually playing well to their contracts right now. Sure, more points from both would be nice.
We have been one of the stingiest teams at 5v5 this year. Our Special Teams is killing us. PK especially is a joke, though better since BB took over.

Theyve been decent for sure but no where near playing to their contracts. Thats $13 mil/year for minimal offense. There is much better defensive Dmen out there for cheaper. And OEL at $7 mil/year for 5 1/2 more years is a big problem and a major cause of why Miller will likely have to be traded

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-canucks-trade-could-produce-second-half-blockbuster/

Don't know much about Shane Seney, but he suggests the Leafs are now in on him. Would make sense if they are.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Theyve been decent for sure but no where near playing to their contracts. Thats $13 mil/year for minimal offense. There is much better defensive Dmen out there for cheaper. And OEL at $7 mil/year for 5 1/2 more years is a big problem and a major cause of why Miller will likely have to be traded

You are right that we would like them to produce more at 7m per, and I think OEL has it in him. But at one point he had the least goals against at 5v5 in the league with top 4 minutes. Idk where he is at today, but his play on the defensive side has been amazing. Myers has also had a good 5v5 defensive game. We need to drop dead cap in Hamonic and Poolman. Schenn has also been pretty good for us.

 

[Gstank]

I just dont see the leafs having good enough assets to compete in a Miller sweepstakes

They would have to give up there 2022/2023 1st plus a package of prospects and a young players to be in the conversation and the Leafs really dont have any young proven players that are interesting

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Wheeler at the Athletic ranked Vancouver’s prospect pool Bottom 5. Even if you want to say he’s not reliable or biased, an unskewed number still won’t be high. That’s not good for a team that isn’t contending.

A big name centerpiece is great if that’s available as it gives fans something to get excited about, but I’m not sure about that being the bar for a trade. The Canucks actually could use 3 or so cracks at 2nd line/2nd pair upside.

LeBrun alluded to this yesterday in his column (Link).

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

I just dont see the leafs having good enough assets to compete in a Miller sweepstakes

They would have to give up there 2022/2023 1st plus a package of prospects and a young players to be in the conversation and the Leafs really dont have any young proven players that are interesting

Robertson is a highly regarded prospect. My guess is that the talks start with him.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You know what, that's a good argument. Maybe I'm wishfully putting to much stock into his struggles too soon.

Regardless I still stand by my point that we need to get something concrete out of this, if not two things, not just lottery tickets.

Totally agreed, hopefully we end up with a young RHD out of it, at least.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Wheeler at the Athletic ranked Vancouver’s prospect pool Bottom 5. Even if you want to say he’s not reliable or biased, an unskewed number still won’t be high. That’s not good for a team that isn’t contending.

A big name centerpiece is great if that’s available as it gives fans something to get excited about, but I’m not sure about that being the bar for a trade. The Canucks actually could use 3 or so cracks at 2nd line/2nd pair upside.

LeBrun alluded to this yesterday in his column (Link).

That is completely accurate, our pool is empty, especially when it comes to blueliners.

 

[jackjohnson]

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-canucks-trade-could-produce-second-half-blockbuster/

Don't know much about Shane Seney, but he suggests the Leafs are now in on him. Would make sense if they are.

Robertson, Liligren and a 1st would be the starting price for the Leafs

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

OEL and Myers aren't the problem. They are actually playing well to their contracts right now. Sure, more points from both would be nice.
We have been one of the stingiest teams at 5v5 this year. Our Special Teams is killing us. PK especially is a joke, though better since BB took over.

They really aren’t.

OEL is playing like a ~$5m defender and Myers maybe a ~$4m defender, at the best he’s ever been for the Canucks.

But he still reverts to the $2m he’s been for the majority of his contract far too often.

They’re contracts are huge problems. If you can get rid of either without taking major cap back you jump with both feet at the opportunity.