(Official) Around the NHL 8.0

[InfinityIggy]

I will continue to take a wait a see approach.

Same, but there is essentially no risk to this contract as its only 1 year.

 

[Lunatik]

Same, but there is essentially no risk to this contract as its only 1 year.

definitely no risk, but still won't call it great

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

If his wrist is better he should be fine IMO.

Hopefully he doesn't get into any more bongo battles with Marc Staal.

 

[DCDM]

That feel when Bouma makes more than Semin

Who would have predicted that?

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

That feel when Bouma makes more than Semin

Who would have predicted that?

It was somewhat expected. If GM's thought he was worth more than 2.2 Million he would have been signed earlier. Could have been other factors, but he got bought out so his value is low.

 

[Dertell]

One just had a career year. The other one, quite the opposite.

Still, the more I think about Semin's buy-out, the less it makes sense. Why would they hinder themselves in four-six years when they'll try to be competitive if they won't use the cap space temporarily gained from it to be more competitive? I mean, they still have 12M$ of cap space left and it's unlikely they'll do anything with it.

 

[DCDM]

It was somewhat expected. If GM's thought he was worth more than 2.2 Million he would have been signed earlier. Could have been other factors, but he got bought out so his value is low.

Should have been more specific. Who would have ever thought that in the past? Semin, a former 40 goal scorer. Bouma, a third line grinder. Just funny to think about.

 

[Lunatik]

That feel when Bouma makes more than Semin

Who would have predicted that?

Pretty much everyone. Many thught Semin was KHL bound, others didn't think he would get a million.

 

[Anglesmith]

Wonder what Glencross will be doing next year for work. Room on the TSN panel?

 

[Taranis]

Holtby got 6.1m for 5 years, good deal I think.

 

[Volica]

Holtby got 6.1m for 5 years, good deal I think.

That's a fairly high price. But hey, if he continues to impress.

 

[bWo*]

overpaid by about 500k. hopefully this means the end of mojo in washington

 

[Dertell]

Holtby got 6.1m for 5 years, good deal I think.

Given it's a 5 years deal, it's fantastic for a goalie like him. In general? I'm not sure, good goalies tend to be overpaid.

 

[Anglesmith]

Given it's a 5 years deal, it's fantastic for a goalie like him. In general? I'm not sure, good goalies tend to be overpaid.

I think they're paid a little low, if anything. When you think about the difference between a top-end goalie making about $6M (like the Price/Rinne/Holtby's of the world) and a next-tier goalie making around $3M (like the Ramo's of the world), you typically would expect a drop-off of about 0.020 on the SV%. If you accept that 30 shots against per game is the norm, then that's nearly one goal per game difference. So the difference in price tag by that logic ought to be similar to the price tag of a 60-point scorer, right?

However, it's been a while since a top-end goalie has been re-upped on a long-term deal, so I imagine the market will be corrected over the next few years. I mean, Lundqvist comes to mind making $8.5M, and that will probably be the elite standard going forward.

 

[Deleted member 250185]

That feel when Bouma makes more than Semin

Who would have predicted that?

well he is getting over 3 million a year from Carolina still

 

[Dertell]

I think they're paid a little low, if anything. When you think about the difference between a top-end goalie making about $6M (like the Price/Rinne/Holtby's of the world) and a next-tier goalie making around $3M (like the Ramo's of the world), you typically would expect a drop-off of about 0.020 on the SV%. If you accept that 30 shots against per game is the norm, then that's nearly one goal per game difference. So the difference in price tag by that logic ought to be similar to the price tag of a 60-point scorer, right?

However, it's been a while since a top-end goalie has been re-upped on a long-term deal, so I imagine the market will be corrected over the next few years. I mean, Lundqvist comes to mind making $8.5M, and that will probably be the elite standard going forward.

Price's 6.5M$ deal was done a few years ago and before his numbers went nuts. Lundqvist/Rask is the new standard. I would rather save 4M$ of cap space usable to get guys who can prevent shots from reaching the goalie than add a whoopin 0.01 SV%. Especially considering how less shots against usually mean more shots for so more offense to boot.

This is why I thought it was a good idea to try to get Martin Jones; nothing like Lundqvist but very good underlying numbers hinting at a very high potential and very cheap for the cap. Too bad he wasn't quite as cheap to trade for.

 

[herashak]

Id take a goalie like holtby on that contract in a heartbeat. TBH the flames are a goalie like holtby away from going on a cinderella cup run.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

It's market value, if this last season becomes his standard (even under a Trotz coached team), then it's good value.

 

[Anglesmith]

Price's 6.5M$ deal was done a few years ago and before his numbers went nuts. Lundqvist/Rask is the new standard. I would rather save 4M$ of cap space usable to get guys who can prevent shots from reaching the goalie than add a whoopin 0.01 SV%. Especially considering how less shots against usually mean more shots for so more offense to boot.

This is why I thought it was a good idea to try to get Martin Jones; nothing like Lundqvist but very good underlying numbers hinting at a very high potential and very cheap for the cap. Too bad he wasn't quite as cheap to trade for.

Hard to gauge what will happen to goalies when they switch systems, though. We'll see this season with San Jose, but as other posters were saying with regards to Kiprusoff in another thread, Darryl Sutter's system does seem to help goalies out.

And I guess that's another thing that's unique about goalies and why maybe they should be paid less than position players. They can be so hot and cold and unpredictable.

 

[Dertell]

Hard to gauge what will happen to goalies when they switch systems, though. We'll see this season with San Jose, but as other posters were saying with regards to Kiprusoff in another thread, Darryl Sutter's system does seem to help goalies out.

And I guess that's another thing that's unique about goalies and why maybe they should be paid less than position players. They can be so hot and cold and unpredictable.

There are reasons to believe Martin Jones is not just a system player. His AHL numbers were better than the other wildcards traded this summer (Talbot and Lehner) and his underlying numbers from the 2013-14 season were spectacular (1st in the league against high-danger shots, 5th vs middle-range and average vs low danger). It seems like the Kings knew all this given how much they really wanted him to be far away from the division. Bonus: He's also 25 so there's still much room for improvements.

I hope I'm wrong, given the flames might have to beat the Sharks in points and games again to earn a playoff spot.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

 

[Gritty]

These contracts that keep coming up makes Brodie's look like highway robbery!

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I think Larsson is going to have a breakout year. He had a very strong finish to last season.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

These contracts that keep coming up makes Brodie's look like highway robbery!

The Larsson deal was great. 4.167 per will be good in 2-3 years.

 

[Wayne Primeau]

These contracts that keep coming up makes Brodie's look like highway robbery!

Wow, he got a lot less than I thought he would.

Very solid defenseman.