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I'm not sure I'm comfortable w a Suter/Lundkvist pairing.. unless we want to bar Lundkvist from being the least bit offensively ambitious. And I'd like to see Suter play better w fewer minutes before he's in a top-4 spot.

This no-buyout was always a strong possibility, but it's kind of making me feel like this is going to be a total repeat of last season's D.
 
JeffP said:
I'm not sure I'm comfortable w a Suter/Lundkvist pairing.. unless we want to bar Lundkvist from being the least bit offensively ambitious. And I'd like to see Suter play better w fewer minutes before he's in a top-4 spot.

This no-buyout was always a strong possibility, but it's kind of making me feel like this is going to be a total repeat of last season's D.
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I don't think a buyout was ever going to happen. It should, but this is Nill were talking about. Nichushkin had to be absolutely useless to actually get bought out after getting every single chance imaginable.
 
Carolina would bend Dallas over for Pesce. If anything, Carolina is thankful to for dodging a bullet with Marchment; not sure why they would take him on now. Miller out Harley in is a no-brainer, but they are essentially risking rolling into the season with the same question marks on defense as last season, Lundvkist included. They can't afford to take on Karlsson's cap. Suter playing too much is the least of their issues- which happens because their defense sucks mostly and buying him out without someone better lined up to take on those minutes makes it worse.

I would love to eat my words and say the Lundkvist trade didn't suck if not just for the fact that they could have done it this offseason and last seasons results would have been the same. If writing off last season to secure Lundkvist then and accepting he may have growing pains was always the plan he damn well better turn out.
 
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Maybe they can trade Marchment for Connor Garland. At least he is a net positive player while being overpaid. He makes Dallas a better team for half a mil of cap. Hes also a right shot. He also takes way less penalties and his PIM differential is actually insane, second best on the team right behind Petterson.

I recognize Marchment's value is seemingly as low as it could be but if he comes into the season like he ended it he could actually become a true anchor.

EDIT: Probably actually a terrible idea to pay 5 million for a 5 v. 5 specialist with as bad of a situation as Dallas is already with the cap but whatever.
 
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eartotheground said:
would hate to sell low on march. have to hope/believe that his mental state will be better to start next year, along with health and production.
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Most likely the one good year he ever had was a fluke. Hell even in the OHL and AHL he wasn't that much of a scorer. Also, he's never been healthy so why would that change? Somehow getting untethered from him would be a dream come true.
 
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There's a 0% chance that Marchment gets traded somewhere he doesn't wanna be imo. Jim Nill wouldn't do that. He came here because of his relationship with one of our coaches. They'll at least give it a couple of years
 
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Sports2 said:
Carolina would bend Dallas over for Pesce. If anything, Carolina is thankful to for dodging a bullet with Marchment; not sure why they would take him on now. Miller out Harley in is a no-brainer, but they are essentially risking rolling into the season with the same question marks on defense as last season, Lundvkist included. They can't afford to take on Karlsson's cap. Suter playing too much is the least of their issues- which happens because their defense sucks mostly and buying him out without someone better lined up to take on those minutes makes it worse.

I would love to eat my words and say the Lundkvist trade didn't suck if not just for the fact that they could have done it this offseason and last seasons results would have been the same. If writing off last season to secure Lundkvist then and accepting he may have growing pains was always the plan he damn well better turn out.
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I think the trade looks really bad from the first year perspective. It's possible Lundkvist lives up to being worth a 1st rounder and it's fine, but from the perspective of this year, not great.

They spent a premium pick for a puck moving defenseman, and then decided to use a guy they already had, who looked good in spot starts last year during the regular season, mostly out of desperation. Harley did great considering his situation. What looks even worse is PDB's refusal to play Lundkvist despite the Stars defense badly needing some more transition ability on the back end. Lindell and Hakanpaa got crushed for most of the playoffs, easily the worst 2nd pairing among the final 4. It's crazy they didn't even try Lundkvist with the likes of Hakanpaa, Lindell, Suter, Miller and Hanley being the guys in front of him.

On another topic entirely, I hope the Stars can find a way to re-sign Dadonov. He's exactly the kind of player that does complement what is already there, and maybe because of his age he's actually affordable. I wouldn't touch re-signing Domi with a ten foot pole. He had a nice run here, but I think whatever team gives him his big cash-in deal is going to regret it. He's expensive because he produces really well, but he gives it all back the other way. Great if you're a rebuilding team looking for a way to entertain your fans while your team is bad, not great if you're actually trying to win something long term.
 
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Panthers fan here: would some sort of swap of Duclair for Marchment (possibly retained to make equal cap hits?) work for y'all?
 
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Would people here be okay with Lundqvist being part of a trade for Pesce? It gives Carolina another RHD to replace Pesce and some more offense from the backend that they desperately needed in the playoffs. Obviously we'd have to add to him, but it might work out. Just spitballing...
 
Johno said:
Imagine trading Pavelski after his first season in Dallas, yikes.

(identical stat line too)
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Unfortunately Marchment didn't score 19 points in the playoffs like Pavelski did his first year, which somehow gets glossed over despite being far more important than whatever he did in the regular season.
 
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redbeardtx said:
Would people here be okay with Lundqvist being part of a trade for Pesce? It gives Carolina another RHD to replace Pesce and some more offense from the backend that they desperately needed in the playoffs. Obviously we'd have to add to him, but it might work out. Just spitballing...
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I have no idea what to think of Lundkvist. This is one where I’d really love to know what the front office thinks of his potential. They made it very clear as the season went on they thought he was terrible.

We all want him to be good because him getting better is the team‘s best hope for better defense, but I’m not exactly sure why a guy they thought was awful in April should be expected to be a much better player in October. Is he going to show up with ten more pounds of muscle?
 
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Unfortunately Marchment didn't score 19 points in the playoffs like Pavelski did his first year, which somehow gets glossed over despite being far more important than whatever he did in the regular season.
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Along these lines, in the last six weeks or so of that season, he was putting up .71 points a game. Pavelski took a while to find his fit, but once he did, he contributed a lot.

The one excuse I give Marchment is he spent all season with Seguin, and those two seem to be a terrible fit.
 
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Troy McClure said:
I have no idea what to think of Lundkvist. This is one where I’d really love to know what the front office thinks of his potential. They made it very clear as the season went on they thought he was terrible.

We all want him to be good because him getting better is the team‘s best hope for better defense, but I’m not exactly sure why a guy they thought was awful in April should be expected to be a much better player in October. Is he going to show up with ten more pounds of muscle?
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Yeah we paid a premium for him but didn't really give him a chance to get comfortable. No clue what management thinks but obviously PDB isn't a fan. As of today we have the same defense group going into next season so why the hell did we even trade for Nils?
 
M88K said:
You have a fair point and all, but Pavelski had a decade of strong production to his name.
Marchment has 1 year, that looks completely out of place in regards to the entirety of his hockey career at every level
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I know it is quite a lazy argument and fair point on the past production as well, but age was certainly a factor that didn’t help.
Quite hilarious tho that they had identical amount of points.

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Unfortunately Marchment didn't score 19 points in the playoffs like Pavelski did his first year, which somehow gets glossed over despite being far more important than whatever he did in the regular season.
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Yeah that part doesn’t really get enough recognition
 
Satan said:
I think most here would be on board for that
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So Marchment retainer down to Duke’s salary for Duke? Seems like a win win

You guys get a speedy top six forward who did well in the playoffs but outgrew his need; Florida gets a big middle six forward who has great chemistry with Lundell.
 
I’m not ready to totally punt on Marchment yet. Three years left at 4.5 isn’t terrible, and with him being slotted to be our 7th best forward out of 12 it isn’t an egregious amount of money. His contract reminds a lot of Hemsky’s about a decade ago where it’ll give pretty much 50/50 split opinions, so he’s probably somewhere around worth his money.
 
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If Florida is interested in bringing him back you call mulligan and free up the cap space no questions asked. Maybe he would bounce back and that would be great but thats a huge risk if youre trying to be competitive next season with Seguin and Benn on the payroll.
 
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