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The Future is Now
I did not see that coming. Guess they didn't prefer him as a 4th line pk'er which they desperately need. Fair enough. Not happy he went to Colorado but I wish him well.
M88K
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it's not free, it's future considerations.
MacFarland is now required to help Nill move a couch
oof, validation for some of you:
Golden Knights One Win Away & Potential Ryan Suter Buyout - Spits & Suds Podcast
Spits and Suds is live from the Stanley Cup. Hosts Sean Shaprio and Gavin Spittle give their thoughts on the Vegas franchise and the potential of winning the Cup after only six years. They also talk about the aggression of rebuilding this franchise after their first Cup appearance. The theme of...pca.st
i kept thinking we could just reduce suter's minutes and pairings, but i think someone mentioned we need to take him away from pdb as an option or hed end up getting played over youth.
this is shapiro basically just saying the latter
Of course PDB is going to choose accomplished 18-yr veteran Suter (having a pretty good defensive season for pairing with a rookie) over 18-period veteran Harley in the playoffs to help on the top pairing. Every single coach, given the options the Stars had, would make the same exact choice. Its unfortunate Suter had to play so much because Lindell was…not good, but you’ll notice Harley’s TOI went up as the playoffs progressed and he showed he was more and more capable
Nill even said Harley was projected to play in the regular season; the Stars were just very, very healthy on the backend. Its hard to say whether that helped (got Harley more exp in the AHL) or hurt (Harley couldve shown up earlier and re-jiggered the potential playoff D pairs).
we just went thru a season where Suter played on a pairing with a rookie and was #2-#4 in TOI most nights. Seems logical for the ~3rd best d-man on the regular season roster who played both PP and PK (and the 2nd best - Lindell - was #1 In the entire NHL for PK TOI). With Harley and a year-older Lundkvist to run the 2PP next year, his TOI will drop to 4th/5th on average which seems right around where it should be for a secondary PK’er and a 2b pairing. Unless Harley hits a massive sophmore slump or Lindell continues his poor playoff play into next season/postseason (or injuries), there is zero chance he see’s top 3 TOI next playoffs
i'm guessing those w/o trade clauses either have longer/older contracts, or just aren't as good.
I don’t have a problem with him playing those minutes when there’s not a better option, especially considering his salary. Towards the end of the playoffs, Harley looked like “that” guy but putting in a 21-year old in that position (or a journeyman in Miller who fell off a bit as the year progressed) at the start of the playoffs was a non starter
I have a much bigger issue with the play of the $8m+ d man, the $5.8m d man, the middle 6 F, and the goalie way more than Suter this playoffs. He played better than his regular season play with one bad play in the Finals; the others played worse than the regular season (some significantly worse vs Vegas specifically)
Frozen Failure
They got business in my hockey, and I hate it.
You mean the overworked #1, the badly managed #3, the forward line with no chemistry, and the goalie with a lingering issue. Yeah, I get it.
Suter was overexposed because there wasn't enough depth for him not to be. Because they had to trot out a done for the year Miller, a broken Hakanpaa, perennial #7 Hanley and then rookie Thomas Harley. Yeah, I can imagine wondering why they're all gassed and out of sorts having to carry unproductive forwards or sheltered Dmen.
Imagine if they had played Lundkvist...
Frozen Failure
They got business in my hockey, and I hate it.
Wait, what do we get for Fred Olofsson going to Colorado?
F. Considerations? I've heard good things about this guy for a few seasons now.
We get a game going to OT for a free point next year.
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JeffP
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it just seems like an excellent no-risk pickup for the Avs when we would have given him minutes :\ pretty silly, unless we are considering not turning over a smaller portion of our roster for functional cost-controlled depth?
I hate to feel reactionary, but kind of wtf Lite™
I hate to feel reactionary, but kind of wtf Lite™
David Castillo
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Who sold Stars fans this lie? Dallas had five defenders average more than 16 minutes of even strength play in the regular season. Suter, second behind Miro, averaged a little over 17. In the playoffs, Suter's even strength minutes jumped to over 21 (!). In other words, Suter's minutes were not only artificially inflated, but they ran counter to what worked in the regular season. There's no reason Harley's emergence should have completely shifted Suter's minutes. Keep in mind, I'm not advocating for another season of Colin Miller on the top pair. That's not the point. The point is that DeBoer largely made it work (especially with Miro putting up a career year on his strongside) until Suter wrote him that pre-playoff Hallmark card.
redbeardtx
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A basket of weed brownies and some avocado toast
Regular vs playoffs
Lindell +0:55
Hakanpaa +0:34
Miro +2:17
Suter +3:33
Almost as if a) there’s a bit more 5v5 time in playoffs vs Regular season b) you play your top pairing as much as possible so theyll shoulder the increase c) elevating somebody from a 2b pair in reg season to 1st pair in PO results in a sharper increase in playing time. Even Miro went +2 minutes and he was already the first pair playing lots of minutes; whomever he played with would have had a huge increase
If you attribute Miro’s average play in the playoffs to being moved, that’s an adequate criticism of the coaching staff. But nobody on the right side was playoff-caliber first pairing - you find a way to get your best defenseman in your top 4. Harley coming up put the better defender on the team (over Lunkdvist). That left a glut of left defenseman and naturally shifted Miro right. Of the remaining ones, Suter was the best option. I just don’t see Miro/Miller > Suter/Miro in any situation
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
The Avs will pay for a Stars front office pizza party and a sheet cake. Nill also got them to throw in several two liters of Dr. Pepper.Wait, what do we get for Fred Olofsson going to Colorado?
I hope this makes sense later.
F. Considerations? I've heard good things about this guy.
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
What's artificial about Suter's playoff minutes? They pretty much mirror how he was being used in the final weeks of the regular season once Harley got called up.
JeffP
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My TheScore App pushed me the orig notification that I'd seen, but I can't pull it up on their site. It's listed on like 6 other sites tho, so..
www.prohockeyrumors.com
It's nbd, but it always feels like were making or about to make some dumb moves
Colorado Avalanche Acquire, Extend Fredrik Olofsson
The Dallas Stars have dealt the rights to pending UFA forward Fredrik Olofsson to the Avalanche in exchange for future considerations.
www.prohockeyrumors.com
It's nbd, but it always feels like were making or about to make some dumb moves
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
I don't get it. I know he's primarily there as an AHL guy, but if the Stars think he sucks so bad the team would rather destroy Oettinger than play Matt Murray, then what's the point of re-signing him?
LT
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