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Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

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TehDoak said:
I'd be interested to see if William Karlsson comes available this summer. He'd tick a lot of boxes for the Sabres (PK, Faceoff, Middle six center). Happy to send back their 1st + someone cheap-ish for him.
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They would need to pay us to take his contract; it’s horrible. No way would I give the pick 16 for an overpaid 3rd line center in the scheme of things
 
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thewookie1 said:
They would need to pay us to take his contract; it’s horrible. No way would I give the pick 16 for an overpaid 3rd line center in the scheme of things
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Chainshot said:
Their first?

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No. That deal and player is not worth 16.
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Fine make it the 28th or even our 2nd rounder. Karlsson's contract isn't great, but its around market rate.

The biggest issue is term and his age. 5 years left at the age of 29. So he'll be 34 when the contract is done. He's still producing at above a .6 PPG clip, still wins faceoff and still plays the PK.

Find me a 40-50 pt center who can win faceoffs and play the PK who is actually available and I'll show you a worse contract.

Ryan Strome has essentially identical numbers, doesn't win the faceoffs, will be 29 this summer, and can't PK....and will likely get over 5 years and 6M per.
 
Chainshot said:
Excellent! I don't know if either will impress enough to make it for the U20's in December, but both have grown significantly since being drafted.
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Huh? The GM that rates potential high on his list for prospects sees that two of his mid round picks developed past their draft status? Weird. :laugh:
 
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TehDoak said:
Eh I think RHD value is still pretty juiced. Dumba will get a better return than that.
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Maybe so - but I'd bet his value is closer to my proposal than it is to yours.

It only goes beyond my proposal if there are a number of teams fighting for him.
 
Der Jaeger said:
Huh? The GM that rates potential high on his list for prospects sees that two of his mid round picks developed past their draft status? Weird. :laugh:
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Not sure why this is directed at me.

Also don't know why the original wasn't in the general prospect thread but here we are.
 
TehDoak said:
Fine make it the 28th or even our 2nd rounder. Karlsson's contract isn't great, but its around market rate.

The biggest issue is term and his age. 5 years left at the age of 29. So he'll be 34 when the contract is done. He's still producing at above a .6 PPG clip, still wins faceoff and still plays the PK.

Find me a 40-50 pt center who can win faceoffs and play the PK who is actually available and I'll show you a worse contract.

Ryan Strome has essentially identical numbers, doesn't win the faceoffs, will be 29 this summer, and can't PK....and will likely get over 5 years and 6M per.
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Let’s put it this way, if Vegas is desperate to detach his salary with bribery, go ahead and acquire him as he isn’t a terrible player only very overpaid. But going out to acquire him is a fool’s errand as he makes way too much to be a 3C and would only get in the way of the young ones.
 
It’s reported the floor will be $61M.

Using CF…
11/4/0 at $47M

call up Fitz

sign RFAs Bryson, Olofsson, UPL, and Hino/vet for a combined $11M. You sis gm Bryson for 2 yrs around $1.7M. You sign UPL to a 3 yr $2.1M contract with years 2&3 much higher than yr 1. so residual cap hit on buffalo when sending him down. Olofsson for $5.2M and Hino/vet for $2M.
Bjork is included in the roster on CF
send down Krebs to get Center time in and be mid season call up.

12/6/1 for about $57.5M
3 skaters+G for $3.5M…that’s easy to do.

UPL can be sent down to play and buffalo gets a second vet goalie as back up
 
Djp said:
It’s reported the floor will be $61M.

Using CF…
11/4/0 at $47M

call up Fitz

sign RFAs Bryson, Olofsson, UPL, and Hino/vet for a combined $11M. You sis gm Bryson for 2 yrs around $1.7M. You sign UPL to a 3 yr $2.1M contract with years 2&3 much higher than yr 1. so residual cap hit on buffalo when sending him down. Olofsson for $5.2M and Hino/vet for $2M.
Bjork is included in the roster on CF
send down Krebs to get Center time in and be mid season call up.

12/6/1 for about $57.5M
3 skaters+G for $3.5M…that’s easy to do.

UPL can be sent down to play and buffalo gets a second vet goalie as back up
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Wouldn't UPL have to go through waivers this year? I'm hoping for a roster rule update that allows teams to carry an extra goalie on the roster.
 
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NHL free agency: Top options, best values, boom-or-bust players

The signing period begins July 13. Here is a guide to 121 unrestricted free agents looking for a new contract this summer.
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The best bets​

These players have shown they're worth the investment.

Jack Campbell, G, Toronto Maple Leafs​

Age: 30 | 2021-22 cap hit: $1.65 million

He spent parts of three seasons in Toronto as a solid but not spectacular, and above all else thrifty, goaltender. While his best usage might be in a tandem, there might still be a lane for Campbell to "pull a Frederik Andersen" and sign in a place where the pressure cooker is reduced and he can thrive -- especially in the postseason, where his numbers this spring (.897 save percentage, 3.15 goals-against average) were indicative of Leafs Panic. That said, Toronto would love to have him and his good vibes back. It's just that someone else is likely to price them out of the Soup market.

Andrew Copp, C, New York Rangers​

Age: 27 | 2021-22 cap hit: $3.64 million

Copp made himself some money this summer after a trade brought him to New York. He delivered on the offensive promise he showed in a top-six role with the Winnipeg Jets to the tune of 18 points in 16 regular-season games and another 14 points in 20 playoff games, although he cooled off as the postseason continued. His versatility is his calling card, but his offensive spark this season (21 goals) is going to make him a sought-after player, just as he was at the trade deadline. He'll turn 28 in July.

The best values​

Under-the-radar gems, analytics darlings and low-cost difference-makers. Oh, and one apiece of former Norris and Vezina trophy winners.

Braden Holtby, G, Dallas Stars​

Age: 32 | 2021-22 cap hit: $2 million

The "Holt Beast" was 27th in goals saved above expected per 60 minutes at 5-on-5 this season. He went to Dallas to stabilize his career after that one-season disaster in Vancouver. He did just that. He's still got something to offer besides undeniable playoff experience and a killer beard. Could a reunion in Washington, at the right price, be possible?

Ville Husso, G, St. Louis Blues​

Age: 27 | 2021-22 cap hit: $750,000

Husso hits unrestricted free agency after a brilliant regular season that saw him go 25-7-6 in 40 games, getting his first real run as a starter. His postseason was a horror show: starting for the Blues, getting replaced by Jordan Binnington, replacing Binnington when the latter was injured and ending with a save percentage of .890. But the 6-foot-3 Finn is extremely talented and could absolutely blossom as a starter in the right situation. Compared with last summer, it's a paltry goalie market. Husso could end up getting upward of $5 million per year on his next deal. His play could prove worth it.

Johan Larsson, C, Washington Capitals​

Age: 29 | 2021-22 cap hit: $1.4 million

An elite defensive center, but one who has hit 10 goals just once in a 10-season career. He missed a chunk of the season with the Coyotes and was traded to the Capitals, with whom he basically played the role of Carl Hagelin for the rest of the season. He's going to fill a hole in someone's bottom-six forwards group, and he's going to do it with an affordable contract.

Nick Paul, LW, Tampa Bay Lightning​

Age: 27 | 2021-22 cap hit: $1.35 million

How much money did Paul add to his next contract after being traded to the Lightning? The former Senators forward has been a huge lift to their bottom six and a fantastic penalty killer. Not a ton of offensive upside, but he does go to the net hard. Great in the dressing room, too. If the Lightning don't retain him, there should be plenty of teams wanting to land him.

P.K. Subban, D, New Jersey Devils​

Age: 33 | 2021-22 cap hit: $9,000,000


Subban should have some new suitors now that he's not carrying a $9 million AAV. He had a really nice rebound season with the Devils, even if his numbers didn't necessarily reflect it. We'd love to see him contribute to a contender next season. Evolving Hockey projects him at $3.8 million AAV on a three-year term. That sounds right.

The boom-or-busts​

Players who have the ability to justify the investment -- or their contracts could eventually become an eyesore on CapFriendly.

Marc-Andre Fleury, G, Minnesota Wild​

Age: 37 | 2021-22 cap hit: $7 million

At the risk of incurring the wrath of his surrogates, let's be real: Fleury did not play to an elite level last season. Money Puck had him at minus-0.250 goals saved above expected per 60 minutes at 5-on-5, which ranked him 42nd in the league. He was below replacement as a penalty-killing goalie, too. In Fleury's defense, it was a tumultuous season for him: Having his family and career uprooted from Vegas, then having another trade to Minnesota at the deadline. But his underwhelming play was what it was, and it continued into the postseason (.906).

He turns 38 in November. He's a known commodity. The goalie market means he'll play next season if he desires to do so, and Evolving Hockey sees Fleury getting north of $4.7 million per year. Can he recapture the magic?

Darcy Kuemper, G, Colorado Avalanche​

Age: 32 | 2021-22 cap hit: $4.5 million

Kuemper is a difficult one to predict. There are those in the hockey analytics community who feel he's been living off the reputation he forged as the best thing on some bad Coyotes teams. The second half of his season was extraordinary -- .934 save percentage and a 2.16 GAA at even strength -- but not all that far off from what Pavel Francouz did metrically in the same span. Again, he's a solid starter and an improvement in goal for 80% of the league. But "buyer beware," as the playoffs have indicated.
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Some of the names in the article that have been thrown around as potential targets for the Sabres.
 
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I'd argue that Fleury is worth 2 million extra as a mentor for our young goaltenders. Suspect he goes to a contender though.
 
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