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Djp said:
that’s not what I’m talking about.

why target him givrn buffalo depth. Why target him given others on the market.

Bratt isn’t all that different than what Buffalo already has
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Buffalo has a young proven ppg winger that can drive offense? Quinn could become that but that's TBD. Bratt is one of the most underappreciated wingers in the league.
 
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Zach47 said:
Buffalo has a young proven ppg winger that can drive offense? Quinn could become that but that's TBD. Bratt is one of the most underappreciated wingers in the league.
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We don't have assets for Bratt. New Jersey doesn't seem to mind trading their choice..
 
Zach47 said:
Buffalo has a young proven ppg winger that can drive offense? Quinn could become that but that's TBD. Bratt is one of the most underappreciated wingers in the league.
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how are you measuring him driving the offense ?

he’s a 1 yr wonder. We don’t even knoepw how much of an outlier that season was. At least with tage we have another year to see what he is.

then you compare bratt vs the others I listed.
 
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Djp said:
how are you measuring him driving the offense ?

he’s a 1 yr wonder. We don’t even knoepw how much of an outlier that season was. At least with tage we have another year to see what he is.

then you compare bratt vs the others I listed.
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I'm measuring it by watching him play. He's shifty and dynamic and has a bunch of tricks in his wheelhouse that put his teammates in good positions to succeed. Unlike someone like Olofsson who may score a ton of goals but is reliant on his linemates to put him in that position. I don't know what you mean with a list of other wingers, we are talking about a report that Bratt and NJ are having trouble agreeing to a new deal at the moment which probably won't but possibly makes him available.
 
Djp said:
how are you measuring him driving the offense ?

he’s a 1 yr wonder. We don’t even knoepw how much of an outlier that season was. At least with tage we have another year to see what he is.

then you compare bratt vs the others I listed.
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Bratt as a rookie in D+2: .47 PPG. Then .65. Then .53. Then .65. Then .96. That's consistent top-6 play. Hardly a one-year wonder.

From Evolving-Hockey, with a 3-year sample size:

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He's an excellent 2-way player and only 24. Yeah, if he's available, I'm making a call.
 
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Zach47 said:
I'm measuring it by watching him play. He's shifty and dynamic and has a bunch of tricks in his wheelhouse that put his teammates in good positions to succeed. Unlike someone like Olofsson who may score a ton of goals but is reliant on his linemates to put him in that position. I don't know what you mean with a list of other wingers, we are talking about a report that Bratt and NJ are having trouble agreeing to a new deal at the moment which probably won't but possibly makes him available.
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Olofson creates plays and does create goals.

Bratt is benefitting by who his linemates are. That does not mean he’s driving the play

if youare sacrificing a top 10 pick ( which is f***ing stupid) you make an assessment of all those available in both UFAs and RFAs and also looking at potential production vs signing cap costs and the difference in what you’d need to give up.

new jersey if trading him will not be looking fir picks/ futures but nhl ready roster players.

My Cozen Dylan said:
Bratt as a rookie in D+2: .47 PPG. Then .65. Then .53. Then .65. Then .96. That's consistent top-6 play. Hardly a one-year wonder.

From Evolving-Hockey, with a 3-year sample size:

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He's an excellent 2-way player and only 24. Yeah, if he's available, I'm making a call.
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.9 vs .6 is a big f***ing difference that you will overpay for and it blows up in your face. There are numerous players who have career years before getting a contract.
 
Djp said:
Olofson creates plays and does create goals.

Bratt is benefitting by who his linemates are. That does not mean he’s driving the play

if youare sacrificing a top 10 pick ( which is f***ing stupid) you make an assessment of all those available in both UFAs and RFAs and also looking at potential production vs signing cap costs and the difference in what you’d need to give up.

new jersey if trading him will not be looking fir picks/ futures but nhl ready roster players.



.9 vs .6 is a big f***ing difference that you will overpay for and it blows up in your face. There are numerous players who have career years before getting a contract.
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Olofsson creates precisely 0 offense on his own. He's entirely reliant on other players getting him the puck. That's not discounting his elite shot at all. But let's not pretend he actually creates anything.

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And yeah, I know there's a big difference between .9 and .6 PPG. That's why I included a *three year* sample size with the data. But I have no problem giving a 24 year old who is still developing a 4 or 5 year contract when we will have no salary cap concerns for most of that time.
 
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Djp said:
if youare sacrificing a top 10 pick ( which is f***ing stupid)
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If you’re expecting a guaranteed better player than Bratt at 9 you’re going to most likely be very disappointed. I also don’t know why you’d want an 18 year old a couple years out and probably 3-4 yrs from making a real impact if everything goes right when you could get a great 23 year old that fits right in.

Most people wouldn’t consider his season a “one hit wonder”, they would realize he’s been trending upwards and just had a breakout year.
 
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If you’re expecting a guaranteed better player than Bratt at 9 you’re going to most likely be very disappointed. I also don’t know why you’d want an 18 year old a couple years out and probably 3-4 yrs from making a real impact if everything goes right when you could get a great 23 year old that fits right in.

Most people wouldn’t consider his season a “one hit wonder”, they would realize he’s been trending upwards and just had a breakout year.
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he hasn’t been trending upward. Hes been around 0.55 then he has a jump this past year. Sure could he have put it together? Sure. There is too much risk there to invest. example see drew Stafford. He had 4 yrs at around a 0.55 rate. Then he puts up a 40goal rate season. Gets paid well. Then nothing Comparable after that.
 
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Djp said:
he hasn’t been trending upward. He’d npbern around 0.55 then he has a jump this past year. Sure coukd he have put it together? Sure. There is too much risk there to invest. example see drew Stafford. Hr had 4 yrs at around a 0.55 rate. Thrn hr puts up a 40goal rate season. Gets paid well. Then nothing.
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The Stafford Effect. I'm sure that's what NJ is struggling with. They'll end up paying him for 3 years because if they don't, someone else will.
 
Djp said:
he hasn’t been trending upward. He’d npbern around 0.55 then he has a jump this past year. Sure coukd he have put it together? Sure. There is too much risk there to invest. example see drew Stafford. Hr had 4 yrs at around a 0.55 rate. Thrn hr puts up a 40goal rate season. Gets paid well. Then nothing.
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It's not like most players build production linearly at: .3, .5, .66, 1 p/g. There's usually some small variation, and then the breakout.

With that said, he has broken out, and while I think there is a legitimate chance he stays there, at best we're paying for his production, fair value, and at worst he peaked and we're paying well above what he deserves. Doesn't sound like a great idea
 
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Shouldnt Buffalo make the playoff after next season if we draft Gauthier and Kasper ?

Skinner Thompson Olofsson
Cozens Gauthier Tuch
Quinn Kasper Peterka
Asplund Mittlestadt Girgensons

Samuelsson Dahlin
Power Jokiharju
Bryson fritzgerald

Add to this 3 more first rounders rosen the 3 first this summer and next summer first pick. After this trades free agents can be Done to bolster this group over the top . Seems close if They draft right and have some luck . Dont over pay any free agents long term so bishop trade is perfect . Seem like we have all pieces in place . Add to this maybe kane want to sign in Buffalo .

Skinner Thompson Kane
Cozens Gauthier Tuch
Quinn Kasper Peterka
Asplund Mittlestadt Olofsson
Girgensons

Shouldnt we winn a sc with this group without any problem if we get a ok goalie. Taking advantage of ecl contract . Sabres should winn their first sc within 10 years
 
K8fool said:
I think Adams has earned more trust along w Granato to not have the old sabres gm coach tone in a post like that until they actually do something glaringly ridiculous.. They have not so far.. They have been more than honorable and have reaped rewards from this group. . skinner to okposo to the youth no offense but unless you know something certain I expect then to continue to be honorable .. prospect to old vet and hopefully staff .. all seem to enjoy being here ......as was the case from 1970 to 2006.. This narrative of woe and trouble needs a eulogy w their return to sabres roots
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Glaringly ridiculous?

Did you see the goaltenders they signed last summer?
 
Sabres92 said:
Shouldnt Buffalo make the playoff after next season if we draft Gauthier and Kasper ?

Skinner Thompson Olofsson
Cozens Gauthier Tuch
Quinn Kasper Peterka
Asplund Mittlestadt Girgensons

Samuelsson Dahlin
Power Jokiharju
Bryson fritzgerald

Add to this 3 more first rounders rosen the 3 first this summer and next summer first pick. After this trades free agents can be Done to bolster this group over the top . Seems close if They draft right and have some luck . Dont over pay any free agents long term so bishop trade is perfect . Seem like we have all pieces in place . Add to this maybe kane want to sign in Buffalo .

Skinner Thompson Kane
Cozens Gauthier Tuch
Quinn Kasper Peterka
Asplund Mittlestadt Olofsson
Girgensons

Shouldnt we winn a sc with this group without any problem if we get a ok goalie. Taking advantage of ecl contract . Sabres should winn their first sc within 10 years
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not that i dont like each of them for seperate reasons but no team is winning a cup with Joker, Bryson, and Fitz comprising half of their defense.
 
DJN21 said:
not that i dont like each of them for seperate reasons but no team is winning a cup with Joker, Bryson, and Fitz comprising half of their defense.
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Maybe not - but in theory you only need to get one legit top 4 guy to push Bryson/Joker down to the bottom pair & Fitz down to #7/8.

This is why I'm so adamant about grabbing the best RHD available in next month's draft.
 
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