Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

[TehDoak]

I wouldn’t make any of those deals. I see zero reason to gut the youngsters to sign good players to exorbitant contracts. I’d keep Jokiharju and 28 over a rental of Dumba seeing as he’d likely look for a 7mil deal in the off-season which won’t fit well with Dahlin and Power’s eventual mega contracts. I don’t want 3 Dman making 21+ mil as we’d fall into SJS’s trap essentially.

Fiala wants way to much to be a good target. He’s a winger and more or less a 2nd liner on a great team; they don’t make 8.5mil

I wouldn't do the Fiala deal either, I'm just giving an example of what they would want.

Given our likely forward make up (no elite center/wingers, running something like 3 2nd lines, essentially), we could easily overpay our top 3 defense. In fact, having an elite defense is probably the only road back to consistent contention as we don't have a path to get an elite center other than by blind lotto luck or having someone fall to us in the 10-20 range that develops into one.

But, overall, assuming a d-man, even one as good as power, is going to need a mega contract in year 4 when we've only see a handful of games is foolish. D-men take longer for their game to develop. The ideal is bridge -> mega contract. I think they've learned their lesson from ownership about going to that huge deal right away.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

I just floated Mrazek (no retention) and the 25th overall pick for Anders Bjork (50%) retention on the trade board, and wasn't blown over by the wave of Leafs fans saying value was off. And the one response back I got was cordial. So I'll take that as a decent proposal.

I make that deal all day, assign Mrazek to Rochester or buy him out.

Hell yes please!

 

[old kummelweck]

Hometown bias, but I really thought bailey wasn't far from having an nhl career

The organization seemed to not have the best development those years, although I was never a big fan of some of the other guys that fizzled (guhle, baptiste, cornel, karabacek)

I remember many posts of optimism and excitement about those prospects. It really puts things in perspective.

 

[TehDoak]

I just floated Mrazek (no retention) and the 25th overall pick for Anders Bjork (50%) retention on the trade board, and wasn't blown over by the wave of Leafs fans saying value was off. And the one response back I got was cordial. So I'll take that as a decent proposal.

I make that deal all day, assign Mrazek to Rochester or buy him out.

Sure, I think that deal is probably in the ballpark, especially given that Bjork is only a 1/3rd buyout.

However, given everything we've seen from ownership in the last year, I'll believe we are using Pegula Bucks to buy assets when we start spending more than the absolute CBA mandated minimum.

 

[SundherDome]

Hometown bias, but I really thought bailey wasn't far from having an nhl career

The organization seemed to not have the best development those years, although I was never a big fan of some of the other guys that fizzled (guhle, baptiste, cornel, karabacek)

*Reports post*

 

[jc17]

*Reports post*

Actually, I did like Cornel and expected more from that development too.

I remember many posts of optimism and excitement about those prospects. It really puts things in perspective.

I think its the same for every fanbase every year, but more so when you're desperate. If we didn't have Quinn and Peterka, we'd probably be reading more takes about how great Constantini and Huglen are

 

[Chainshot]

Hometown bias, but I really thought bailey wasn't far from having an nhl career

The organization seemed to not have the best development those years, although I was never a big fan of some of the other guys that fizzled (guhle, baptiste, cornel, karabacek)

I continue to be amazed that Karabacek got an ELC.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Actually, I did like Cornel and expected more from that development too.


I think its the same for every fanbase every year, but more so when you're desperate. If we didn't have Quinn and Peterka, we'd probably be reading more takes about how great Constantini and Huglen are

There's a legit argument that Buffalo has the best drafted prospects at both F and D right now in Quinn and Power. That's pretty neat.

 

[Djp]

Actually, I did like Cornel and expected more from that development too.


I think its the same for every fanbase every year, but more so when you're desperate. If we didn't have Quinn and Peterka, we'd probably be reading more takes about how great Constantini and Huglen are

just from my own experience analyzing picks roughly after 23…any pick after that I’m like let’s wait and see what they do at the nhl level.

so many players aren’t true top6 F/top 3D players. Some of them can have good careers. You might get some F who are boom/ bust or can have success on the right situation and play well.

in the range of about 24-45 there is far better luck getting a better/ more successful/ longer career Dman than equivalent forward.

after pick 45 other than drafting goalies a vast majority of players dont see the nhl at all and those who do don’t get beyond 80 or so a few games. Those that make 300+ games are only 15 or so in a draft for skaters. most of them average joe players NHL career players.

Now with a hard cap some of these players are going to lose salary and jump around filling roles on teams because many teams are going to shift to youth over avg vets. It’s happened in other pro leagues. When I was a kid you had teams have 15+ yr career players who were avg stats serviceable players who made avg salary. As the stars got more money these avg players got squeezed by going with the cheaper team controlled prospects and utilize as many years till free agency.

 

[The Blunder Years]

I continue to be amazed that Karabacek got an ELC.

Or that he was a 2nd rounder

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Hometown bias, but I really thought bailey wasn't far from having an nhl career

The organization seemed to not have the best development those years, although I was never a big fan of some of the other guys that fizzled (guhle, baptiste, cornel, karabacek)

Guhle looked better as an emergency 3-game callup from the Dub than he ever did again in the Sabres organization, iirc.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I wouldn't do the Fiala deal either, I'm just giving an example of what they would want.

Given our likely forward make up (no elite center/wingers, running something like 3 2nd lines, essentially), we could easily overpay our top 3 defense. In fact, having an elite defense is probably the only road back to consistent contention as we don't have a path to get an elite center other than by blind lotto luck or having someone fall to us in the 10-20 range that develops into one.

But, overall, assuming a d-man, even one as good as power, is going to need a mega contract in year 4 when we've only see a handful of games is foolish. D-men take longer for their game to develop. The ideal is bridge -> mega contract. I think they've learned their lesson from ownership about going to that huge deal right away.

I'm all about acquiring Dumba - but 16 plus Jokiharju @50% retention is probably a bit too much to give up. Dumba has only one year of team control & Minnesota should be desperate to shed cap.

 

[Jim Bob]

It is mock offseason season.

 

[RefsIdeas]

I'm all about acquiring Dumba - but 16 plus Jokiharju @50% retention is probably a bit too much to give up. Dumba has only one year of team control & Minnesota should be desperate to shed cap.

Wild fans seem to think Dumba is worth roughly a second. But Bill Guerin has heavily indicated that Fiala is likely to go for cap space instead of Dumba.

 

[Fjordsen]

I don't want to spend assets on Dumba. Sign RD in UFA.

 

[RefsIdeas]

I don't want to spend assets on Dumba. Sign RD in UFA.

Which one? Only one I realistically see signing if Subban. Even then I don’t think he’s more than a 1-2 year stopgap at RHD. Next year the best RHD UFA is probably…Dumba

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Which one? Only one I realistically see signing if Subban. Even then I don’t think he’s more than a 1-2 year stopgap at RHD. Next year the best RHD UFA is probably…Dumba

I'd take a look at Rutta. He had great numbers playing next to Hedman and Sergachev. While Hedman can probably carry anyone, Sergachev isn't to that level yet, but more importantly he has experience playing alongside offensive minded Dmen and could probably be a good fit next to Power. I think he is a player who could get more ice time outside of Tampa and be perfectly fine.

 

[Fjordsen]

Which one? Only one I realistically see signing if Subban. Even then I don’t think he’s more than a 1-2 year stopgap at RHD. Next year the best RHD UFA is probably…Dumba

Letang, Subban, Manson, Lyubushkin, Gudbranson, Schenn, Stecher, Rutta, Braun. I just don't know why we would waste valuable assets on renting RD. Throw in one of those guys and a guy like Ian Cole or Nutivaara to play third pair LD and compete with Bryson.

 

[TehDoak]

I don't want to spend assets on Dumba. Sign RD in UFA.

I get this. I just think with trade, you will actually get a top 4 d-man.

Via UFA, we likely are going to end up with a terrible contract or someone past their prime.

 

[RefsIdeas]

Letang, Subban, Manson, Lyubushkin, Gudbranson, Schenn, Stecher, Rutta, Braun. I just don't know why we would waste valuable assets on renting RD. Throw in one of those guys and a guy like Ian Cole or Nutivaara to play third pair LD and compete with Bryson.

Besides Manson I don’t think any of those are long-term solutions. I don’t consider a 2nd that valuable. I would trade for him with the assumption we try and sign him long-term. If it doesn’t work out he’s worth at least a 2nd at the TDL.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Wild fans seem to think Dumba is worth roughly a second. But Bill Guerin has heavily indicated that Fiala is likely to go for cap space instead of Dumba.

Wild fans are a very sensible bunch from what I've seen. Both these things make total sense.

41 plus a cheap fringe NHLer such as Fitzgerald is what I'd offer for Dumba.

Some team likely overpays them for Fiala though.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I'd be ok with what the Charging Buffalo wrote, though I'd rather not trade a pick for Marino.

Really want the Toronto Mrazek for 25 deal.

 

[TehDoak]

Wild fans are a very sensible bunch from what I've seen. Both these things make total sense.

41 plus a cheap fringe NHLer such as Fitzgerald is what I'd offer for Dumba.

Some team likely overpays them for Fiala though.

Eh I think RHD value is still pretty juiced. Dumba will get a better return than that.

 

[TehDoak]

I'd be interested to see if William Karlsson comes available this summer. He'd tick a lot of boxes for the Sabres (PK, Faceoff, Middle six center). Happy to send back their 1st + someone cheap-ish for him.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I'd be interested to see if William Karlsson comes available this summer. He'd tick a lot of boxes for the Sabres (PK, Faceoff, Middle six center). Happy to send back their 1st + someone cheap-ish for him.

I am staying as far away from that contract as possible